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How do i counter my friends who advocate piracy ?
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ZywyPL
Banned
Can't blame them, we're living in an age where there's little-to-no reason to buy overpriced, and often unfinished products, especially the SP-only titles like your friend says. Even if you do buy a game it's still better to install crack over the original copy, that's how bad situation is.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Damn. I remember this ad in Zzap 64 I think it was.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
They pirate stuff, so what? Even if they would actually buy it if they couldn't pirate they are doing something with the money not spent on games. Does that enable them to increase the financial security for their families? Or are they instead spending it on unnecessary indulgences like a more luxurious car than a Honda or Toyota? That context is important. Or is it really that they use the money saved by pirating to fund mobile bullshit? If a significant portion of the gaming audience did this, it would be awful. I hope it is anecdotal and your friends just avoid spending money where they can, similar to how they would shop around for the best deal on a purchase. They are not actively robbing someone, they are taking the easy route to avoid paying for it through legitimate channels.
If they truly do prefer multiplayer/mobile games and pay for that, are they actually playing through all the games they pirate? Maybe they do just try them for a couple of hours and go back to the game they like. If they really don't enjoy them enough to finish them, they would never buy them in the first place. If they finish all or most of the games they pirate, then it is likely that they would buy some, but not all, if they had no means to pirate. Perhaps you could convince them to gift someone a copy of the games they enjoyed the most when the price falls.
If they truly do prefer multiplayer/mobile games and pay for that, are they actually playing through all the games they pirate? Maybe they do just try them for a couple of hours and go back to the game they like. If they really don't enjoy them enough to finish them, they would never buy them in the first place. If they finish all or most of the games they pirate, then it is likely that they would buy some, but not all, if they had no means to pirate. Perhaps you could convince them to gift someone a copy of the games they enjoyed the most when the price falls.
jackets with pockets
Banned
Anything is possible. I came to my senses at the age of 35 or so.
Piracy is stealing. Plain and simple. It does nothing good. Software piracy has killed and crippled many of my favorite PC game studios.
Clarissa
Good post. I'm behind you 100% 
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Two wrongs don't make a right. He should have to pay like everybody else. Or wait a minute...
Clarissa
Banned
Yeah that's the irony. The ones earning the most are the ones doing all the pirating, saying such things like video games do not deserve their money. Whereas the ones making just a decent living are the ones paying for all their games.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
#Phonepunk#
Banned
yes purge the unclean. then you can be alone with your pure values. /s
Geki-D
Banned
Ask them if they'd steal a car, steal a handbag, steal a television, and steal a (physical) movie. And when they say:
They wouldn't steal a car
They wouldn't steal a handbag
They wouldn't steal a television
They wouldn't steal a (physical) movie
Then hit them with:
"DOWNLOADING PIRATED GAMES IS STEALING" Also "STEALING IS AGAINST THE LAW"
Otherwise everytime they talk about it say to them: "Do I hear you right? Do I hear what you're saying?; You're gonna make a copy of game without paying? COME ON GUYZ! I thought you knew better DON'T COPY THAT FLOPPY!"
They wouldn't steal a car
They wouldn't steal a handbag
They wouldn't steal a television
They wouldn't steal a (physical) movie
Then hit them with:
"DOWNLOADING PIRATED GAMES IS STEALING" Also "STEALING IS AGAINST THE LAW"
Otherwise everytime they talk about it say to them: "Do I hear you right? Do I hear what you're saying?; You're gonna make a copy of game without paying? COME ON GUYZ! I thought you knew better DON'T COPY THAT FLOPPY!"
Hostile_18
Banned
Sit then in front of the tv for this 60 second infomercial.
anthraticus
Banned
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
These two videos will set his friend straight!
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diffusionx
Gold Member
People are going to make their choice, you can't convince them. It's their experience.
In my opinion, pirating today is really silly - the games are cheaper than ever, and if you really want to play the latest GAAS shit, you are getting a much worse experience - even back in college when I pirated BF1942 I had to play on pirate only servers which sucked. But it's their life and it seems they actually do spend money on games they want to play. Maybe they don't like PC games enough to actually want to spend money on it, which is fine.
In my opinion, pirating today is really silly - the games are cheaper than ever, and if you really want to play the latest GAAS shit, you are getting a much worse experience - even back in college when I pirated BF1942 I had to play on pirate only servers which sucked. But it's their life and it seems they actually do spend money on games they want to play. Maybe they don't like PC games enough to actually want to spend money on it, which is fine.
vaibhavpisal
Member
They don't pirate Nintendo games but pirate everything on playstation and pc? This is fanboyism taken to next level. Hit ps/pc where it hurts the most.
Your friends, my friend, are Trailblazers. I hope dedicated gaffers don't take inspiration.
Your friends, my friend, are Trailblazers. I hope dedicated gaffers don't take inspiration.
lifa-cobex
Member
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
People who pirate:
southpark.cc.com
People who complain about piracy:
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Not A Big Deal - South Park | South Park Studios US
The boys feel bad about downloading music for free.
People who complain about piracy:
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Guardian's Light
Member
Although I'm convinced games are ridiculously overpriced nowadays, it's Also true they drop to more affordable prices in ridiculously rapid times, at least on ps4
If you play smart, and can wait 2-4 months at least, you can spend 50 dollars and buy 2-4 good games at less than the price of one
With Nintendo platforms, tho... Lol
If you play smart, and can wait 2-4 months at least, you can spend 50 dollars and buy 2-4 good games at less than the price of one
With Nintendo platforms, tho... Lol
#Phonepunk#
Banned
same thing, really. winning an argument is mostly about control.
LOL @ "his mates are controlling him" that is some weird calling the kettle black bs
OP needs to lighten the fuck up imo
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synchronicity
Member
You can't really impose your own sense of morality on others. Everyone is free to live as they wish.
Ultimately, if you want a "better" world, just be the person you wish everyone else was. Follow your own moral compass. That's all you can do.
Ultimately, if you want a "better" world, just be the person you wish everyone else was. Follow your own moral compass. That's all you can do.
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Jack Videogames
Member
Don't. It's a fight you can't win. Just continue doing the right thing
EightBit Man
Member
I remember people at my former workplace who offered me burned copies of PlayStation games, but I respectfully declined. Not for "moral reasons", but simply because I wanted durable and official media, despite paying more.
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
Don't assume...that YOU...play the games you buy. I'm sorry...who's talkin about you? I thought we were discussing the OP's pirating friends.
Please think before you speak. It's embarrassing.
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Wolfgang Jr
Banned
How about not giving a fuck?
mortal
Gold Member
01011001
Banned
that would be the point where I would stop considering them a gamer and stop talking about video games with them
mcjmetroid
Member
Don't be that guy
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
Fuck me if these people knew that acceptable loss or acceptable risk was a concept in business they'd lose their minds
Successful companies have a budget for this already in mind before creating the product, and creating the product INCLUDES having SECURITY in the initial design
It's an acceptable loss which is why they move forward, and this based on assessing the risk and deeming it an acceptable risk
Security practices are created around acceptable risk and acceptable loss
Do you see companies running around swatting down resellers selling their game for more than it should be?
Once I see companies actually advocating for the consumer, as well as reprimanding internally and externally poor practices, I'll be all for wagging a finger at pirates
In the mean time, business is business; secure your shit better if you want a better profit margin. If not, it's literally by design people like me are going to steal your shit
"Moral," people wouldn't steal a car, but you also wouldn't leave your keys in the ignition either (DOOM Eternal, anyone?), now, would you?
Edit: Clarity and added last line
Edit 2: I think people would also be surprised with just how many people who work in IT pirate the shit out of everything they can lol. I have never worked a job where someone doesn't have a pirate data store somewhere, some places we would even host it AT work lol.
Successful companies have a budget for this already in mind before creating the product, and creating the product INCLUDES having SECURITY in the initial design
It's an acceptable loss which is why they move forward, and this based on assessing the risk and deeming it an acceptable risk
Security practices are created around acceptable risk and acceptable loss
Do you see companies running around swatting down resellers selling their game for more than it should be?
Once I see companies actually advocating for the consumer, as well as reprimanding internally and externally poor practices, I'll be all for wagging a finger at pirates
In the mean time, business is business; secure your shit better if you want a better profit margin. If not, it's literally by design people like me are going to steal your shit
"Moral," people wouldn't steal a car, but you also wouldn't leave your keys in the ignition either (DOOM Eternal, anyone?), now, would you?
Edit: Clarity and added last line
Edit 2: I think people would also be surprised with just how many people who work in IT pirate the shit out of everything they can lol. I have never worked a job where someone doesn't have a pirate data store somewhere, some places we would even host it AT work lol.
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LordKasual
Banned
And we're done here.
Clarissa
you can explain why you feel like it's morally fucked up, but ultimately everyone has their own moral compass.And on theirs, playing games without paying is higher on the totem pole than supporting the developers who make the games they enjoy.
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Clarissa
Banned
I mentioned in my second post that pirating from indie and smaller devs that need all the financial support they can, really sucks.And we're done here.
And on theirs, playing games without paying is higher on the totem pole than supporting the developers who make the games they enjoy.
Now we have digital discounts on games so frequently, why do we even need to pirate?
I just want to see smaller devs rewarded for their hard work.
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BurstZyn
Member
Honestly OP, most of the people on this forum are gonna say the same thing, which is probably 'Its not your problem, dont worry about it." And they are totally right. It doesn't really affect negatively in any way, except how you view the subject. And I have the same mindset as you, I find it annoying and childish that my friend does the same thing, but he's not as bad as he used to be. Now if he really really likes a game, he will buy it on PS4 if he can find it for a good price. Except if it's a switch games, since he was able to hack his switch he finds literally no reason to buy a single game on that device. But I've gotten a little less stingy about it over the years. What I do like to do though, since I only really have one particular friend who does this, is just ignore him when he talks about the game that I know he pirated (which is easy to tell with him). Pitiful yes, but effective since he loves to say his opinion about whatever he's playing. But when he actually buys the game, I actually engage conversation about said game. And he loves attention, so it usually works him over. Like I said, its childish but hey it works.
Quezacolt
Member
Just ignore it, it's not your problem. You can try to convince them, but then you risk souding like a pain in the ass and might have fights if not even lose your friends over something this stupid.
It's like trying to tell to a smoker that they should stop smoking, or a drunkard. They know it's bad, and they dont care and if you continue to preach to them. you will be seen like the bad gay.
It's like trying to tell to a smoker that they should stop smoking, or a drunkard. They know it's bad, and they dont care and if you continue to preach to them. you will be seen like the bad gay.
BacklashWave534
Member
In the US it isn't a jailable offense unless you are distributing. Not to mention the police don't enforce the copyright system The FBI does.
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
Tell me more about these "AAAA" games you've played. I'm intrigued. I don't recall The Initiative releasing anything yet.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Refuse to participate in any multiplayer games with them that they pirate and hold fast to your ideology.
It's their life choice. And if your friends have to face consequences just let them.
And if it comes down to them deciding being friends with you is contingent on pirating games like they do then drop their asses like a hot potato.
It's their life choice. And if your friends have to face consequences just let them.
And if it comes down to them deciding being friends with you is contingent on pirating games like they do then drop their asses like a hot potato.
ValiantTraveler
Member
Bring a hammer to their places and smash the shit out of their PCs.
And what if they say "sure, if I can get away with it".
Clarissa
Banned
This is the gaming discussion section if you forgot.Worry about COVID or something meaningful.
Christ...