Agnostic2020
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Yea and probably no raytracing . I just hope the ssd stays the same as xsx
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Rumor : Xbox Lockhart Reveal soon: 4Tf, Limited next gen features
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Grinchy
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For the cost to get down to $299 (if we were to believe that), doesn't it seem possible that the system wouldn't have a SSD at all? These high-speed SSDs seem to be a pretty expensive component of the new consoles.
If it's a signficantly weaker GPU and has a regular HDD, and all games for XSX have to run on both, then what is even the point of the high spec Xbox? It's so shackled.
If it's a signficantly weaker GPU and has a regular HDD, and all games for XSX have to run on both, then what is even the point of the high spec Xbox? It's so shackled.
Agnostic2020
Member
I think it will have same ssd(as that would make xsx ssd pointless if it doesnt have it)but drops the ram to 8 gb from 16 to save on cost
Great Hair
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4Tflops for $300
12Tflops for $600?
If the XSX is $499 ... why even bother with the shitty lockhart edition? At $299 the shi**y downgraded ngen -console would be more expensive than the XSX. ($/Tflop).
12Tflops for $600?
If the XSX is $499 ... why even bother with the shitty lockhart edition? At $299 the shi**y downgraded ngen -console would be more expensive than the XSX. ($/Tflop).
Physiognomonics
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You mean no ray tracing at all.
Grinchy
Banned
Possible, but damn having half the RAM and 1/3 of the GPU power is still quite the
for the XSX. It's like when the 360 launched without a HDD and only a DVD drive and all 3rd party games had to be made with that in mind.
Agnostic2020
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MasterCornholio
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Not exactly. I'm assuming that it's still using RDNA2 but at a much lower CU count. It should be possible to do Ray Tracing on it however it will be pretty limited compared to what the Series X and PS5 will be capable of.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I've been hoping that Lockhart was still in the works. I'll likely be buying 2 for my sons and sticking with PC for myself.
As far as I know, the NovaMonbasa leak was the first accurate leak for the Anaconda and Lockhart, stating they were to be 12TF and 4TF, respectively, as far back as January 2019. It also stated that they were aiming for $499 and $249 price points. If Sony shoots for $450-500, then I could see MS being comfortable with $299 since it seems they assumed PS5 would be $399.
Lockhart is likely to be Sparkman, leaked by AquariusZi and Komachi, and stated by Komachi to feature RT and VRS support, along with bc for XO. NovaMonbasa said it has RT+MS AI, Zen 2 8c/16t, 12GB GDDR6, and 1TB SSD.
I would love a $249 msrp, but I'm guessing PS5 will be $499 and so Lockhart would be ok at $299. And yes, scaling works just fine from 12TF to 4TF, even without lowering settings. Lockhart is like a X1X with Zen 2 CPU, SSD, and RT+VRS+AI/ML.
As far as I know, the NovaMonbasa leak was the first accurate leak for the Anaconda and Lockhart, stating they were to be 12TF and 4TF, respectively, as far back as January 2019. It also stated that they were aiming for $499 and $249 price points. If Sony shoots for $450-500, then I could see MS being comfortable with $299 since it seems they assumed PS5 would be $399.
Lockhart is likely to be Sparkman, leaked by AquariusZi and Komachi, and stated by Komachi to feature RT and VRS support, along with bc for XO. NovaMonbasa said it has RT+MS AI, Zen 2 8c/16t, 12GB GDDR6, and 1TB SSD.
I would love a $249 msrp, but I'm guessing PS5 will be $499 and so Lockhart would be ok at $299. And yes, scaling works just fine from 12TF to 4TF, even without lowering settings. Lockhart is like a X1X with Zen 2 CPU, SSD, and RT+VRS+AI/ML.
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McHuj
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SSD would have to stay the same, but it could be reduced in size, anywhere in the 512-768 GB range. It's a microsoft thing to do to skimp on the storage and let users have the cost of upgrading.
If I had to predict what Lockhart ends up being:
1. Same CPU
2. GPU 18 CU's at 1.8 GHz ~ 4.1 GHz
3. RAM 12 GB on 192-bit bus for 336 GB/sec. Same BW/size as XSX for the OS and other memory partition. 3GB dedicated to GPU, but still at 336 GB/sec. Since it's 1080p, it's sufficient.
4. SSD ~512 GB. Since MS has that smart delivery, 4K assets would not be downloaded and it's expandable through the cards.
5. No physical media.
Mista
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Not everyone is willing to pay that high price. Casuals don’t care about whats powerful and whats not, they just want a new console. So they’ll most probably go with the Lockhart than the XSX. As I said earlier, thats smart from MS.
Gormless Noodle
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If it is real, then I'll be curious to see how it all works out. On the one hand it's good mass market appeal, on the other hand I can't imagine it won't hamstring Series X games if they go for full parity in terms of games between the two.
Would you get like, Fifa "legacy editions" on lockheart or the actual new game for example? If it sells poorly in comparison to the SeX does it continue to get support regardless? Etc.
Would you get like, Fifa "legacy editions" on lockheart or the actual new game for example? If it sells poorly in comparison to the SeX does it continue to get support regardless? Etc.
ZywyPL
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Except here are no "in between" TVs besides FHD and 4K. The rumored console is aimed to lowest possible price, so there would be absolutely no point to beef up the specs for QHD which would only unnecessarily bump up the price.
Well, judging by X1S an X1X where there is more than 4x the power difference, and almost all of it goes into just bumping the resolution from 900-1080p to 1800-2160p, so a Lockhart with just 3x less power would do much better job in being a lower tier console than X1S. To put it into perspective, there's even bigger power gap between PS4 and X1X, and both run the same games perfectly fine at FHD and 4K respectively.
Besides, power doesn't matter anymore, as long as it has an SSD it'll do fine
Badlucktroll
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Calling it: $399 Lockhart, $599 Xbox Series X, $499 PS5
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Swauny Jones
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I didn't think they'd kill off the One X that quickly. Really leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Great Hair
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$300 for 4Tflops to 6, $50 to 75 per Teraflop
$500 for 12Tflops, $41 per Teraflop
Lockart would be 21 to 82% more expensive than the XSX performancewise, making it a terrible investment dollar per teraflops (excl. missing features like no BD, smaller SSD etc.).
Agnostic2020
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Yea but many casuals just look at the price tag and buy based on that .they don't analyse it
cormack12
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This is a boys bedroom box, or 'mancave' imo. Which makes me think the price for XsX is not going to be something most people will dish out twice for in the space of six months. Get the early adopters in with money, then the ones who couldn't afford it initially but want to play with their mates.
1080p rather than 4k is a decent tradeoff in the bedroom for most people. Lockhart won't be targeted at us, and if lets the homies play the latest NBA, CoD etc then it's a winner imo. If they also have subsidised XsX at launch I think MS will do very well, and I can see them launching earlier than Sony at this stage.
1080p rather than 4k is a decent tradeoff in the bedroom for most people. Lockhart won't be targeted at us, and if lets the homies play the latest NBA, CoD etc then it's a winner imo. If they also have subsidised XsX at launch I think MS will do very well, and I can see them launching earlier than Sony at this stage.
Agnostic2020
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2.5 years was rather quick. What if when in 3 years they wanna bring xsxX they do the same to xsx and discontonue xsx ?
OmaeWaMouShindiggity
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Regardless of how good a deal the Lockhart is, it will never be plugged into my TV.
Strongest Xbox or none, will be a great fortnite 2 box for the kiddies tho.
Strongest Xbox or none, will be a great fortnite 2 box for the kiddies tho.
Dr.D00p
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It's going to offer performance (at least) equal to an Xbox One X, will probabaly run One X games at higher framerates where the CPU was the bottleneck, and cost $200 less than the Series X.
It will be an attractive option for many people.
I don't see it holding back games on the Series X either, if the only change that they will need to make, is a drop in resolution.
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GHG
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Mate, it's less than the PS4 Pro which was suddenly a "half arsed" mid gen refresh as soon as the X was revealed.
We will read some magnificent justifications for this thing over the next few months.
OmaeWaMouShindiggity
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Why would they not target XSX, and cutdown for ps5 and Lockhart?
SuperLupeRap
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Well I heard TF doesn't matter, only price and SSD so Lockhart will definitely have a market. Def not a machine for me though.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Because its not going to be the top-selling platform, it most likely wont even be the top-selling Xbox SKU.
SuperLupeRap
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How have PC devs been doing it for decades?
Agnostic2020
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X1x is 6 tf
rob305
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If youre already thinking in terms of TFlops / Dollar then lockhart is not for you. Heck, if you know what a TFlop is then lockhart is not for you. This is geared at causals who if you ask if they have a 4K or 1080p tv at home they will answer they have a flat screen
MisterXDTV
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One moment of silence for the Scorpio monster, dead after 2 years and a half..... 6 TF Baby!
geordiemp
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Yup I agree, RDNA2 is expensive for Ps5 and XSX. Both have SSD and 16 MB of fast GGDDR6, it $500 easily and thats with a loss and XSX has higher APU price, rest ithere abouts similar.
RDNA2 will be expensive, nobody is getting these things cheap as chips, not happening,
I think Lockart is a good idea for a bedroom 1080p console.
Ps4, ps4pro, Xb1, Xb1S, XBX all need to die due to Jaguar sooner the better, they are all weak consoles with terrible CPUs, awful hard drives.
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GHG
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A third of the power and you genuinely think that the only difference will be a drop in resolution?
Developers are meant to feel liberated when there is a jump to a new generation, not feel hamstrung. How does being tied to a 4TF box help anybody? How does that enable them to explore new ideas? May as well pack it in and stick with current gen, save everybody the hassle. At least the devs know the current machines inside out.
As a platform the PC generally follows consoles. Every time there is a new console generation there is a big jump in hardware requirements that follows shortly after. The games are made with consoles in mind and then ported to the PC in the vast majority of cases.
LemmingWithaParachute
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Yeah im confused.
Consoles tend to target the less tech savy or minded and plug and play types.
Sicne when did this group care or want a bunch of differing configs to try and figure out which is the "one" for them?
SuperLupeRap
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I don't get it, how..? if you have the console already games are still coming out for the next few years and you still have gamepass. The console won't stop functioning because they aren't producing it anymore.
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SlimySnake
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This is MS going in for the kill and i dont know how I feel about it. It's good for their business. it will give them a fighting chance, and they might even end up selling more units.
However, typically when you try to have your cake and eat it too, it doesnt always work out. the PS4 didnt sell well because it was cheaper, it sold well because it was cheaper and was more powerful. A gimped console needs a gimmick to sell like the wii or the switch. there is no gimmick with lockhart, just an inferior experience.
I dont think we need to worry about lockhart setting some kind of benchmark. im sure devs will treat it like they treat switch ports that go all the way down to 360p. Even MS's own ninja theory games show how they are going full steam with next gen photorealistic visuals. they will get downported to this sorry excuse of a console, but that should only affect the poor saps willing to buy this travesty. i am expecting games going all the way down to 720p. if not lower
they did not need this console to be competitive next gen now that they have a more powerful console. they needed more games like halo combat evolved, oblivion, mass effect and the original gears. this is a flawed strategy but it seems MS is going all out and next gen is going to become very interesting.
However, typically when you try to have your cake and eat it too, it doesnt always work out. the PS4 didnt sell well because it was cheaper, it sold well because it was cheaper and was more powerful. A gimped console needs a gimmick to sell like the wii or the switch. there is no gimmick with lockhart, just an inferior experience.
I dont think we need to worry about lockhart setting some kind of benchmark. im sure devs will treat it like they treat switch ports that go all the way down to 360p. Even MS's own ninja theory games show how they are going full steam with next gen photorealistic visuals. they will get downported to this sorry excuse of a console, but that should only affect the poor saps willing to buy this travesty. i am expecting games going all the way down to 720p. if not lower
they did not need this console to be competitive next gen now that they have a more powerful console. they needed more games like halo combat evolved, oblivion, mass effect and the original gears. this is a flawed strategy but it seems MS is going all out and next gen is going to become very interesting.
Slings and Arrows
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I won't believe it til I see it. Xbonex is £250, about $350-399. Are they really going to chop the legs off of the previous gen?
What am I saying, of course they are!
What am I saying, of course they are!
SuperLupeRap
Banned
Well the main reason why, is the reason MS are making the Series S in the first place: price. Simple as that.
Arkam
Member
I hope Lockhart is real just for the reveal and messaging. I want to see the PR magic at work. “Hey you know how we have been harping in power and 4K.... well that really doesn’t matter.... it’s all about price!” And then see the average consumers eyes wobble back and forth.
Again, I have faith that the ad wizards can wordsmith it to be palatable... but damn is it going to be fun to watch! And who knows maybe it will be a winning strategy.
Again, I have faith that the ad wizards can wordsmith it to be palatable... but damn is it going to be fun to watch! And who knows maybe it will be a winning strategy.
GHG
Member
A lease that includes all their subscription services is the correct approach for those who might not have the means to pay up front.
This Lockhart thing ain't it.