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[siekro1983]

I dunno what point you’re trying to make but if you’re talking about a TV show that had sex just for sex sake, remember game of thrones had two girls hooking up during an exposition scene for no reason.


its not out yet, my dude

I seen enough to know it's not for me, and i have no interest in playing it anymore.

 

[Hayabusabruh]

I agree with everything this dude says

 

[Blackwee]

Gameplay screenshots that some of my group found on archive from resetera that got taken down lol

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[Blackwee]

Forget about that Gofile, my group got even BIGGER screenshots and gameplay lol

 

[Bwesh]

Yeah we've seen the 90 min video leak.

 

[Fefedude]

/r/tlou2 being hit by DMCA as well now

Re-up of the 90 minutes

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Bf4y1S7rn?from=search&seid=3152957231314889550

its down too. do you have another link?

 

[Blackwee]

Yeah we've seen the 90 min video leak.

Sure, but not all people have seen it and some of them got also taken down.

 

[Fefedude]

Good luck DMCA'ing the Chinese! I always save the videos out of habit in case they get removed anyway.

could you upload it?

 

[Blackwee]

its down too. do you have another link?

Here is one:

 

[caffeware]

https://i.4cdn.org/v/1588391192595.webm

 

[Tesseract]

it's fun and games to surf the shock wave but this kinda thing sucks

i'd probably be a miserable bastard if my work leaked

 

[Blackwee]

Here is some extra gameplay and another 1 hour gameplay with few screenshots

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The director of this game is an idiot.

 

[Bryank75]

I agree with everything this dude says

Came to post this....it's excellent!
Very well articulated.

 

[GreyHorace]

(Opening theme plays)

DRUCK-MANN!!!

AND THE NPCS OF THE UNIVERSE!!!

I am Abby, Prince of the Fireflies and Defender of the secrets of Hormones.

This is Jason, my fearless friend.

Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my golf club and said:

BY THE POWER OF HORMONES

I AM A WOMAN!!!

Jason became the mighty Schreier and I became Druck-mann!

The most manliest woman in the universe!

Only three others share this secret: our friends at Polygon, Giant Bomb and Kotaku. Together we defend the Hormones from the evil forces of Gamergate.

 

[DForce]

Not really. Ripley is relatable, i.e. she's easily recognizable as a woman & someone everyone knows to a certain extent. Someone's sister, mother, wife, colleague, friend or someone they see in a street or on TV. Abby meanwhile is not a normal example of a woman. I never see women looking at that & certainly not behaving like that, I.e. beating Joel to death with a golf club or caving Ellie's face in with her fist is "not exactly out of the manual, is it?" (that's a quote from Alien) in terms of relatable female behavior. On the physical side I only see her sort of physique in the Olympic games in the discus throwing categories (for example). But even most of them have far smaller arms & muscles than Abby & they also follow a strict training regimen (& usually take some steroids as well). The Last of Us takes place in a post-apocalypse, i.e. selling a "female" character who looks like she's a juiced up bodybuilder in that setting is a real step into suspension of disbelief.

FYI I was also a huge fan of Amanda Ripley in Alien Isolation, i.e. an engineer who used her wits & guts to survive. I'd say she was a far, far better "role model" for real-life women if that's what game creators are looking for these days (which Druckmann is, based on his own quotes).

No, no, no.. First you guys complain about how Druckmann wants too many female characters and now you're moving the goalpost after I show why other iconic female characters were created.

You can't keep moving the goalpost.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

I’ll wait till this is “free” on PS Plus in 5 years. No way I’m paying £50 for this trash

 

[ruvikx]

No, no, no.. First you guys complain about how Druckmann wants too many female characters and now you're moving the goalpost after I show why other iconic female characters were created.

You can't keep moving the goalpost.

You're the one who's broadly equating those who don't like The Last of Us 2 with people who don't like any leading "non sexualized" women in their entertainment (even going so far as to suggest we'd hate Ripley if Alien was made now). That's just straight up false.

Funny note though re Alien: Ridley Scott totally filmed the hell out of her body in the final shuttle sequence (hello underwear) & even wanted the hyper sleep awakening scene to feature naked actors. Ergo if Alien was made now, it's not the "alt-right-women-hating-nazi-bigots" who'd hate Ripley, it's the SJW media who'd label Ridley Scott a sexist.

 

[DForce]

You're the one who's broadly equating those who don't like The Last of Us 2 with people who don't like any leading "non sexualized" women in their entertainment (even going so far as to suggest we'd hate Ripley if Alien was made now). That's just straight up false.

Funny note though re Alien: Ridley Scott totally filmed the hell out of her body in the final shuttle sequence (hello underwear) & even wanted the hyper sleep awakening scene to feature naked actors. Ergo if Alien was made now, it's not the "alt-right-women-hating-nazi-bigots" who'd hate Ripley, it's the SJW media who'd label Ridley Scott a sexist.

No, I said there are people who don't like the fact that a woman is beating up a man in a video game and that there's too many women in a video game.

I only brought up sexualized female characters when explaining Chloe and Dead or Alive characters. It's not false that people are still upset that Drake got his ass kicked by Nadine in a video game.

 

[Jill Valentine]

could you upload it?

Sorry for late response;

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"The Last of Us 2 - All Extreme Extrusion Materials Intro.mp4 "

Someone posted that link is this thread, credit to whoever. It's the same video but in slightly potato quality. I have a 4GB version if you really want that one. Hit me a DM if so and I'll put it somewhere. I don't want the Sony Cops coming for me on a public link.

 

[protonion]

I was bored and made this.



My first ever video edit. Be gentle.

 

[Heylon]

Sorry for late response;

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"The Last of Us 2 - All Extreme Extrusion Materials Intro.mp4 "

Someone posted that link is this thread, credit to whoever. It's the same video but in slightly potato quality. I have a 4GB version if you really want that one. Hit me a DM if so and I'll put it somewhere. I don't want the Sony Cops coming for me on a public link.

I would like the 4gb version, please. Can you send it to me?

 

[Strategize]

I've been holding off on watching the leaked cutscenes, I've still only seen 1 or 2. But I cracked and watched some sections of gameplay in that 1 and half hour vid.

Honestly even if I ended up hating the story like many others seem to so far...I'd probably still like it for the gameplay alone, shit is gonna be so fucking intense on harder difficulties.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

If Druckmann misread his audience this much and decided he needed the game to reflect his beliefs first and then try to

Here is one:

Is it just me or does Joel sound different than he did in the first game? like really different.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

Came to post this....it's excellent!
Very well articulated.

Is that the one where he threatened to sue sony if they took his video down? I couldn't take him seriously after that, was just trying to get attention. Doesn't mean he didn't make any good points but it just made me question his motivation, he's trying to do it for views, that's how all of these youtubers are. They'll make 20 videos on the same subject just to keep working people up so they keep watching more rage videos.

 

[cormack12]

I've been holding off on watching the leaked cutscenes, I've still only seen 1 or 2. But I cracked and watched some sections of gameplay in that 1 and half hour vid.

Honestly even if I ended up hating the story like many others seem to so far...I'd probably still like it for the gameplay alone, shit is gonna be so fucking intense on harder difficulties.

I dunno. I'm in the middle, that scene with Dina/Ellie in like the dark basement getting chased just reminds me at the moment of the ship arena and hangars in UC3. Where you're constantly running round, hip fire is garbage and bringing your gun up is too slow. I think the clunky mechanics just fit the type of game this is, but you don't balance that out by throwing more enemies at the player in a tiny, confined arena when they have such a severe limitation. It should be tense using less enemies that are harder to detect but we'll see.

It's essentially their formula so I'm sure they will pull it off but getting tired of those types of sequences.

 

[JerryinSoCal]

He did say in one interview that he watched Anita's videos during his time on Uncharted 4 it was I believe and her influence inspired him to make changes to characters.

Here's the transcript of said Kotaku interview.

You’ve said in the past that you’ve been influenced by Anita Sarkeesian’s Feminist Frequency videos and the larger conversation about diversity and representation in games. How did that affect Uncharted 4?

Druckmann: When I’m introducing and describing a new character to our lead character concept artist, constantly she will ask, “What if it was a girl?” And I’m like, Oh, I didn’t think about that. Let me think, does that affect or change anything? No? Cool, that’s different. Yeah, let’s do it.

Initially, in the epilogue, it was Nate’s son. Something similar happened with the mansion they go into. That was an old English guy’s house. She asked, Well, what if it was a woman?

You have some sexist focus testers who were really upset by Nadine beating up Nate, and really upset at the end when it was Nate’s daughter. To the point where we had to ask one guy to leave. In his core, it just affected him. He was cursing, “Not you, too, Naughty Dog! Goddammit. I guess I’m done with Uncharted, if you guys ever make another one, with his daughter. This fucking bullshit.”

And I was like, Wow, why does that matter?


I get the YouTube channel was going a bit over the top but it's a bit scary how he will change his mind like that lmao.

This is the problem, he see's someone who disagrees with a woman being able to beat up two men as sexist and it's not, that's lazy thinking on his part. They need to get rid of that character concept artist who keeps asking to make everyone female lol.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

I don't like the fact that they introduced a character like Abby. Her "origin" story is low effort, and amateur hour level stuff. It's embarrassing.
Also, the fact that you PLAY as her in at any point in the game is ridiculous, let alone that you fight agains the two main protagonists.
This is basically a game that has nothing to do with the original aside from slaughtering one or potentially both of your two protagonists from the previous game.

Also, her character model is off. The proportions are closer to something out of a PS1 game, or the PS2 classic Def Jam: Fight for NY. I don't mean the muscle. I mean the leg to torso ratio. And the way she moves when she hits the Joel with the club. She moves like a PS2 era character. It's lazy as hell.

 

[Strategize]

I dunno. I'm in the middle, that scene with Dina/Ellie in like the dark basement getting chased just reminds me at the moment of the ship arena and hangars in UC3. Where you're constantly running round, hip fire is garbage and bringing your gun up is too slow. I think the clunky mechanics just fit the type of game this is, but you don't balance that out by throwing more enemies at the player in a tiny, confined arena when they have such a severe limitation. It should be tense using less enemies that are harder to detect but we'll see.

It's essentially their formula so I'm sure they will pull it off but getting tired of those types of sequences.

I mean it's supposed to be a bit scrappy, they want you to be moving around fighting for your life, dodging, getting a shot in here and there. Dina actually looks useful aswell. As for the area looked to be mix from what I saw, I expect Human's to get more the expansive arenas since they can shoot from a distance.

Also the looting looks almost a detailed as Red Dead animation wise without being anywhere near as clunky and slow. No excuse for Rockstar's next game now.

 

[DForce]

I wonder how old the build is that the leaker is using. Seems kinda old.

- Ellie's hit animation is not finished (or it could just be a glitch)
- Abby's death animation is not finished
- The lighting in some scenes look way off
- Santa Barbara
- Some of the footage is dated in Feb

 

[FALCON_KICK]

It started with Uncharted 4 when they introduced Nadine the strong woman who can take on 2 Guys(Nathan and his brother) who have taken on several military personnel and fought Lazarević who has supernatural strength. BTW Uncharted 2 was the last uncharted with supernatural elements a la Indiana jones.
The same Nadine then fails to single handedly take on the boss Asav from Lost legacy. So if you use in universe explanation, Asav is the strongest character in Uncharted universe and he should be able to easily kill Lazarević along with Nathan and Sam in a 1 on 3 fight.
Abby from TLOU2 is the natural sarkeesian-druckmann evolution of Nadine.

 

[Terenty]

Gameplay wise the game looks exactly the same. The same bricks, bottles, the same sections with forced slow walking, the same hold buton to open doors etc. Basically i see zero attempt to innovate here.

And the most ridiculous thing here is that the game is basically two separate parts (it applies to the first game too). One part is oscar bait try hard super serious story that comes off cringy because all these conflicts and situations were covered countless times in movies to a better effect and another part is gameplay were this super realistic characters move down hundreds of bad guys.

Its looks especially stupid here were we have two teenage girls duking it out and it basically plays out like a Batman vs Superman fight. Zero creativity, zero consistency

 

[Strategize]

Does anyone have any Abby combat gameplay? Not the Ellie boss fight.

Edit: wait there's some in that vid I've found it nvm.

 

[cormack12]

Does anyone have any Abby combat gameplay? Not the Ellie boss fight.

Edit: wait there's some in that vid I've found it nvm.

Yeah there's some where she is in the shop shooting with Lev. Basically they are meant to be the same as Joel/Ellie I guess.

 

[MrMiyagi]

I just watched a bit of the leaked footage and it's definitely not as bad as its made out to be. First off, Abby isn't some tranny monster, she's just a buffed woman who isn't even gay as there's a scene where she's kissing a guy. She's probably gone to some tough shit and I'm sure they'll explain why she's so buffed. To me it seems we're just getting 2 sides to the story where you also see a softer, more likable side of Abby and her having her sweet moments with a father like figure as well, who's probably the random surgeon Joel killed at the end of part 1. The point is probably that it wasn't just some random evil surgeon, it was a guy who was trying to save mankind and who seems to be Abby's version of Joel.

We'll see how the story turn out but one thing I do know, the gameplay looks absolutely insane!

 

[Strategize]

One nitpick I do have is for some reason, the L1 dodge keeps pooping up over and over. Shit like that better be able to be turned off, hell every part of the HUD option needs a toggle.

 

[DForce]

Gameplay wise the game looks exactly the same. The same bricks, bottles, the same sections with forced slow walking, the same hold buton to open doors etc. Basically i see zero attempt to innovate here.

Those forced walking sections and and hold the button to open doors are "load screens." Final Fantasy 7: Remake forces you to crawl under objects so it can load the next scene.

The gameplay is much deeper. She can crawl, shoot while she's on her back and more. I wouldn't consider that exactly the same.

 

[Strategize]

Those forced walking sections and and hold the button to open doors are "load screens." Final Fantasy 7: Remake forces you to crawl under objects so it can load the next scene.

The gameplay is much deeper. She can crawl, shoot while she's on her back and more. I wouldn't consider that exactly the same.

Actually the thing about the "hold the button" doors is that most of them seem to be at the end of encounters. To stop you from just sprinting through without being careful.

I still need to see some proper human gameplay though , with the A.I and stuff. That Abby bit doesn't really count since it's basically a hold out wave part

 

[CobraXT]

Gameplay wise the game looks exactly the same. The same bricks, bottles, the same sections with forced slow walking, the same hold buton to open doors etc. Basically i see zero attempt to innovate here.

i couldnt agree with you more .. the first game get tedious after 5 hour of playing .. the second is the same and every gameplay element in this game is mediocre

 

[comshoplesce]

DYING to see that 95 minutes video, anyone saved it?

 

[Jon Neu]

Hahahaahahahaha!

No.

Its just tribalistic bullshit. Both sides are preoccupied with stopping their ideological opposite. End of.

Druckmann is a SJW so everything he does is suspect according to the anti-SJW types. Same as when every decision made by Daniel Vavra on Kingdom Come: Deliverance was suspect according to the Resetti because he once said something non critical about GG.

Its exactly the same mindset, the only difference is the Woke-side assholes have a lot of media presence so they are in a stronger position both in creating and promoting art/entertainment.

One side complains about too many whites, the other too many minorities, can't say anything bad about Christians, can't say anything bad about Muslims. Too many gruff white males, and now too many lesbians.

That man did a bad thing to a woman, its rape culture! Why is that woman beating up that man? Its SJW cuckery! Why is that female character so sexy? Oh shiiiit here comes the patriarchy! Why does that woman have the physique of a bodybuilder, well of course its to cultivate the trans contingent....

I could go on and on, but.... ITS ALL THE SAME IDPOL RHETORIC, just pointing towards opposite polarities

Videogames have had diversity since forever and nobody cared. The same people that are now “anti-SJW” were the ones promoting those videogames.

Only when the regressive, authoritarian wave of SJW politics started to put it’s paws in the industry, it’s when people are
reacting. When the identitarian and anti white male discourses started to try and shame white people and gamers, it’s when people reacted against it.

Cancel culture and authoritarianism is on the side you’re always defending.

SJW are the ones who brought the tribalistic thinking as if the gender, race, sexuality or clothes of a videogame character are the only thing that matters. Something so important to even threat and cancel somebody if they don’t align with what the SJW religious states that is good.

The very difference between SJW and people who are not SJW is this very forum. In Gaf everybody can say their say and as long as you aren’t personally insulting other members, you can defend any political position.

In Resetera, which is a microcosmos of SJW thinking, literally everybody who doesn’t align with the SJW thinking would be banned.

 

[bumleforce]

I'v seen all the footage now. Looks like it has been downgraded from the initial reveal footage. Gameplay looks like copy and paste with a few add on's. Some people may like it some wont. Its crazy how much hate this is making online. some validated some not. Abby's model just looks weird. Like she is supposed to be a buff girl but they went overboard with those arms. Iv seen enough to know i'm probably not gonna like this game but many still will. I hope a lot of these changes really wern't made for political reasons. If they were its a sad day. Also do the zombie things even matter in this game? Seems to be less focus on them overall. This game will get a 10 from IGN for all the sjw stuff. Just my opinion and I hope Im wrong

 

[Ixiah]

There aren't angry christians or transgenders in it... so...

I hope you will remember that once the game comes out.

 

[Terenty]

Those forced walking sections and and hold the button to open doors are "load screens." Final Fantasy 7: Remake forces you to crawl under objects so it can load the next scene.

No, i meant when you are forced to slowly walk while characters talk. Its in every ND game, in the new God of War, Tomb Raiders. Cinematic experience in other words.

And crawling through tight spaces, lifting rocks for half an hour etc are often used in the same kind of games that i already mentioned. Are they all on the same engine or smth? Like the same template used in different games

 

[DForce]

No, i meant when you are forced to slowly walk while characters talk. Its in every ND game, in the new God of War, Tomb Raiders. Cinematic experience in other words.

And crawling through tight spaces, lifting rocks for half an hour etc are often used in the same kind of games that i already mentioned. Are they all on the same engine or smth? Like the same template used in different games

@5:00
@9:00


They have to find a way to slow the game down to load in assets in the background.


Shadow of the Tomb Raider has some minor flaws. If you move too fast, the game will pause and you will be faced with a loading screen. Thankfully they won't need to do this with next-gen because the storage speeds are very fast.

 

[Jtibh]

I dunno what point you’re trying to make but if you’re talking about a TV show that had sex just for sex sake, remember game of thrones had two girls hooking up during an exposition scene for no reason.


its not out yet, my dude

You didnt get it. Thats ok

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I hope you will remember that once the game comes out.

Seen the leaks, dude, I already know.

Also yeah if Alien/Aliens came out today? In both movies all the men are wrong or even evil and Ripley is always right, the strongest person in either film is Vasquez, a female. The alien's tongue is phallic and penetrates men because the writer wanted to terrify men and have it feel like an assault on male sexuality. It's a "woke" franchise before woke was a thing, heck the 4th entry was written by fucking Joss Whedon. Look at Terminator 2, the strongest human is female, the only man worth a shit is a robot and Sarah muses how unlike a real man he'd never hit John, or leave him or betray him, that a machine makes for a better father figure than a real man. You guys are seriously deluded about the media you consumed as children and its political alignments. Don't even get me started on John Carpenter.

 

[Clear]

I agree with everything this dude says

I'm sorry... his argument is just fucking retarded.

Cannot be bothered going into detail but in essence all this boils down him not liking the story and that alone being enough to "damage the industry".

It doesn't matter why an author makes their authorial choices, its their story, their characters, and they are entitled to take that story in any way they like. You can't even argue corporate interference in this case as its written and directed by the same guy who wrote and directed the same thing being "defended", furthermore it doesn't retcon characters or even deviate from a multi-episode canon and extended universe like say Star Wars.

 

[ruvikx]

Seen the leaks, dude, I already know.

Also yeah if Alien/Aliens came out today? In both movies all the men are wrong or even evil and Ripley is always right, the strongest person in either film is Vasquez, a female. The alien's tongue is phallic and penetrates men because the writer wanted to terrify men and have it feel like an assault on male sexuality

No, just absolutely no. The Alien is Giger's pet, his fantasy. Ridley Scott went with the sexual nature of its penetration because it's creepy & disgusting. The writer, i.e. Dan O'Bannon, just wanted to write a monster movie. All the rest (both the design of the creature & even details like the evil robot Ash) wasn't in his initial script, at all. I've watched the making of Alien several times & you're talking rubbish here. As for Aliens, it's about Ripley finding a new family dynamic with Hicks & Newt. Hence why James Cameron himself was so pissed off with Alien 3 when they killed off his own oeuvre. Men in the first 2 Alien movies can be heroic (even Hudson in Aliens who died a hero), characters can value family & people behave in a relatable manner.

The Last of Us 2 is absolutely not similar, at all. In fact it goes in the opposite direction (unrelatable characters with a minority sexual persuassion committing ultra violence in the name of "vengeance"). Alien was about "truckers in space" (a quote from Ridley Scott himself) aka everyday blue collar relatable people. The Last of Us from what we've seen is about lesbians & a super muscular girl smashing Ellie's face in & killing Joel with a golf club. It's not the same.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

No, just absolutely no. The Alien is Giger's pet, his fantasy. Ridley Scott went with the sexual nature of its penetration because it's creepy & disgusting. The writer, i.e. Dan O'Bannon, just wanted to write a monster movie. All the rest (both the design of the creature & even details like the evil robot Ash) wasn't in his initial script, at all. I've watched the making of Alien several times & you're talking rubbish here. As for Aliens, it's about Ripley finding a new family dynamic with Hicks & Newt. Hence why James Cameron himself was so pissed off with Alien 3 when they killed off his own oeuvre. Men in the first 2 Alien movies can be heroic (even Hudson in Aliens who died a hero), characters can value family & people behave in a relatable manner.

The Last of Us 2 is absolutely not similar, at all. In fact it goes in the opposite direction (unrelatable characters with a minority sexual persuassion committing ultra violence in the name of "vengeance"). Alien was about "truckers in space" (a quote from Ridley Scott himself) aka everyday blue collar relatable people. The Last of Us from what we've seen is about lesbians & a super muscular girl smashing Ellie's face in & killing Joel with a golf club. It's not the same.

Alien Covenant returns to the theme that made the original so terrifying: men giving birth

There is something inside of you that has to come out

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Alien screenwriter Dan O’Bannon explained, “I’m going to attack the audience. I’m going to attack them sexually.”

What’s the Meaning Behind the Sexual Imagery in “Alien”? | Watch | The Take

Since time immemorial, storytellers have intertwined sex and scares to terrify audiences, and the combination works incredibly well. Long before…

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Alien: Deconstructing Sexual Violence - PHASR

Alien will always be remembered for its allegorical nature. Ensuring the original themes will forever be discussed, no matter the direction of the series.

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Hudson certainly had an arc but he began as a coward.

The Last of Us II hasn't been released, just picture all you know about Alien is they purposely made the monster phallic in nature and the only deaths that are explicitly shown are male deaths, or that it has a male giving birth. Or that a male android tries to rape a woman with a rolled up dirty magazine and when he's killed there's white stuff everywhere. We know it's not the same on a surface level, I'm comparing levels of "wokeness" you can't just say "no one gets hit by a golf club in Alien" and be like "haha, I win le argument".

 

[Hayabusabruh]

I'm sorry... his argument is just fucking retarded.

Cannot be bothered going into detail but in essence all this boils down him not liking the story and that alone being enough to "damage the industry".

It doesn't matter why an author makes their authorial choices, its their story, their characters, and they are entitled to take that story in any way they like. You can't even argue corporate interference in this case as its written and directed by the same guy who wrote and directed the same thing being "defended", furthermore it doesn't retcon characters or even deviate from a multi-episode canon and extended universe like say Star Wars.

I don't think you watched it. He is open to it being good cause of the lack of context. He is saying that if there isn't more to understand about Abby that would justify him killing off beloved characters, then the next time a trans character is implemented into a game, people will negatively associate them with this character. That's only a small piece of what he is saying. Listen to what he is actually saying.