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[ruvikx]

The Last of Us II hasn't been released, just picture all you know about Alien is they purposely made the monster phallic in nature and the only deaths that are explicitly shown are male deaths, or that it has a male giving birth. Or that a male android tries to rape a woman with a rolled up dirty magazine and when he's killed there's white stuff everywhere. We know it's not the same on a surface level, I'm comparing levels of "wokeness" you can't just say "no one gets hit by a golf club in Alien" and be like "haha, I win le argument".

In Alien, it's Lambert aka a woman who dies the worse death, with implied rape of sorts as well (i.e. her screams & gargling "horrifically" echo through the ship after the Xenomorph's tale wraps around her leg). Dan O'Bannon wasn't a gender warrior, he simply viewed Giger's design as a terrifying penetrative innuendo whether the victim was male or female. It's not part of a gender war you retroactively attempt to portray it as.

That's an absurd distortion of the movie to fit your current-year agenda here (which is to associate The Last of Us with Alien & portray both as the "same" feminist oeuvres).

 

[brian0057]

No, just absolutely no. The Alien is Giger's pet, his fantasy. Ridley Scott went with the sexual nature of its penetration because it's creepy & disgusting. The writer, i.e. Dan O'Bannon, just wanted to write a monster movie. All the rest (both the design of the creature & even details like the evil robot Ash) wasn't in his initial script, at all. I've watched the making of Alien several times & you're talking rubbish here. As for Aliens, it's about Ripley finding a new family dynamic with Hicks & Newt. Hence why James Cameron himself was so pissed off with Alien 3 when they killed off his own oeuvre. Men in the first 2 Alien movies can be heroic (even Hudson in Aliens who died a hero), characters can value family & people behave in a relatable manner.

The Last of Us 2 is absolutely not similar, at all. In fact it goes in the opposite direction (unrelatable characters with a minority sexual persuassion committing ultra violence in the name of "vengeance"). Alien was about "truckers in space" (a quote from Ridley Scott himself) aka everyday blue collar relatable people. The Last of Us from what we've seen is about lesbians & a super muscular girl smashing Ellie's face in & killing Joel with a golf club. It's not the same.

Alien > Alien: Isolation > The rest of the franchise > Aliens.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

In Alien, it's Lambert aka a woman who dies the worse death, with implied rape of sorts as well (i.e. her screams & gargling "horrifically" echo through the ship after the Xenomorph's tale wraps around her leg). Dan O'Bannon wasn't a gender warrior, he simply viewed Giger's design as a terrifying penetrative innuendo whether the victim was male or female. It's not part of a gender war you retroactively attempt to portray it as.

That's an absurd distortion of the movie to fit your current-year agenda here (which is to associate The Last of Us with Alien & portray both as the "same" feminist oeuvres).

It's the only off-screen death besides Dallas, and even Dallas was meant to be shown and is shown in the director's cut, he looks like he's been bukkaked. I like that you ignored the articles I listed when there's plenty more. Alien has literally been described as a "Rape movie with male victims". Meanwhile you guys are extrapolating a female getting revenge on Joel as clear feminist propaganda because a woman is shown winning against a man (while ignoring it then pits two women against that woman).

 

[zombrex]

The final kill blow on Joel is so weak and lacks impact. Especially considering how violent the game is. She should have completely caved his skull in. After years of seeking revenge she even hesitates to do it. If you kill a main character you need to do it in a way that is shocking and impactful.
I think the story is trash but if that is what they went for they should embrace if fully.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The final kill blow on Joel is so weak and lacks impact. Especially considering how violent the game is. She should have completely caved his skull in. After years of seeking revenge she even hesitates to do it. If you kill a main character you need to do it in a way that is shocking and impactful.
I think the story is trash but if that is what they went for they should embrace if fully.

It's done twice, once from Ellie's view and once from Abby's, I assume the killing blow will be handled differently based on the perspective.

 

[Hayabusabruh]

 

[The Skull]

Do we actually know if Abby is trans, or is it just assumed based on how big of a beef cake she is?

 

[Jon Neu]

Meanwhile you guys are extrapolating a female getting revenge on Joel as clear feminist propaganda because a woman is shown winning against a man (while ignoring it then pits two women against that woman).

It’s funny how you guys always forget the part in which the creator of the game is a crazy feminist who says his games are influenced by another crazy feminist.

It really makes you think that maybe you all are disregarding objective facts because you are incapable of accepting that the game is indeed filled with feminist tropes and agenda.

 

[Jon Neu]

Do we actually know if Abby is trans, or is it just assumed based on how big of a beef cake she is?

It’s a joke, but giving the SJW agenda of the game it’s something that we can’t discard yet.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Abby's model just looks weird. Like she is supposed to be a buff girl but they went overboard with those arms. Iv seen enough to know i'm probably not gonna like this game but many still will. I hope a lot of these changes really wern't made for political reasons. If they were its a sad day. Also do the zombie things even matter in this game? Seems to be less focus on them overall. This game will get a 10 from IGN for all the sjw stuff. Just my opinion and I hope Im wrong

Yeah it's crap, unless you start injecting yourself with some stuff your arms are very unlikely to look like that when you're a female. A relative of mine actually runs a fitness studio so I've seen plenty of girls with incredible upper strength developed for pole dancing and stuff like that. None of them even look remotely close to Abby.

 

[Woggleman]

Nadine looked like an actual and normal woman and people still had an issue with her so it seems that some gamers just have an issue with women. It wasn't that bad but some people call HZD an SJW game when it was far from one. We are talking about a game where the first thing is a positive depiction of fatherhood and her matriarchal tribe are a bunch of backwards yokels. I don't like the feminists who say men are trash and promote misandry either but TLOU2 is doing none of that. I have yet to hear a single line that is somehow anti-male in the game. Some people are no different than the extreme feminists who see patriarchy everywhere.

 

[Anya7890]

Hmmmmmm.

leaker might of been at this since February

 

[Jbomb19]

For those who swear they’re 100% not buying this game and that their “minds are made up,” i better not find y’all in June talking about playing this game on a different thread! Don’t waver; stick to your guns!

 

[Woggleman]

For those who swear they’re 100% not buying this game and that their “minds are made up,” i better not find y’all in June talking about playing this game on a different thread! Don’t waver; stick to your guns!

Many will buy and then talk how much it sucks. Gamers love being angry when all they have to do is not buy it and play the many games that are better suited towards their tastes. Yes it will be divisive but RDR2 was divisive as well yet it sold like hotcakes and still does and is still one of the top ten played games on both X Box and PS4. Go on your system and look at most played and it is there. TLOU2 will have the same fate.

 

[synce]

Nadine looked like an actual and normal woman and people still had an issue with her so it seems that some gamers just have an issue with women. It wasn't that bad but some people call HZD an SJW game when it was far from one. We are talking about a game where the first thing is a positive depiction of fatherhood and her matriarchal tribe are a bunch of backwards yokels. I don't like the feminists who say men are trash and promote misandry either but TLOU2 is doing none of that. I have yet to hear a single line that is somehow anti-male in the game. Some people are no different than the extreme feminists who see patriarchy everywhere.

I think the issue is that these games are going for realism, when nothing about either character is realistic. They're cartoon characters minus the appealing designs, so no one likes them. I personally love strong women otherwise.

 

[Grinchy]

Is this the thread for Spider-Man 2 spoilers? I saw the leaked gameplay. You go through the first half of the game as MJ, then at the halfway point, she sees Gwen Stacy murdering Peter Parker. After that, you play as Gwen Stacy and she has even more spider powers than Peter did. At the end, you fight MJ as Gwen. It's so incredible! It's what everyone wants.

 

[Jon Neu]

Nadine looked like an actual and normal woman and people still had an issue with her so it seems that some gamers just have an issue with women.

Yeah, it’s because we hate women.

If you have a problem with SJW politics, it must be that you are a nazi!

How dare people question that the famous feminist creator of a videogame included a scene that is literally fanservice for feminists in which a little woman beats the two Rambo’s like protagonists, overpowering them in humilliating manner.

How dare they?!

It wasn't that bad but some people call HZD an SJW game when it was far from one

Was it far from one?

The heroines were perfect feminists who made the males look like dumb brute cavemen. And the root of all evil is literally a white male who showed what the feminists archetypichally describe as “toxic masculinity”.

The design was praised for being a “strong, intelligent woman not sexualized (the horror!).

The feminist tropes and the pandering in the game is obvious.

 

[Steve.1981]

Also yeah if Alien/Aliens came out today? In both movies all the men are wrong or even evil and Ripley is always right, the strongest person in either film is Vasquez, a female. The alien's tongue is phallic and penetrates men because the writer wanted to terrify men and have it feel like an assault on male sexuality. It's a "woke" franchise before woke was a thing, heck the 4th entry was written by fucking Joss Whedon. Look at Terminator 2, the strongest human is female, the only man worth a shit is a robot and Sarah muses how unlike a real man he'd never hit John, or leave him or betray him, that a machine makes for a better father figure than a real man. You guys are seriously deluded about the media you consumed as children and its political alignments. Don't even get me started on John Carpenter.

Oh hell no. Jim Cameron is not one of these new extreme wokesters. Don't you put that evil on him!

Every film that dude has ever made. Every one of his films, features strong female & male characters. Working together. Learning from each other. Leaning on each other. Being there to save each other. He believes in men & women, that we are stronger together when we respect one another, that we can learn from one other. That our innate differences are equally to be respected. He is an old school liberal who strongly values the union of man & woman & by extension the traditional family unit.

Sarah Connor & Kyle Reese.
Ripley, Hicks & Newt (& Bishop, the family dog).
Bud & Linsay Brigman.
Sarah Connor, the T800 & John.
Harry, Helen & Dana Tasker.
Jack & Rose.
Jake & Neytiri.

Every single one of his films has the same thing at it's core. Strong women & strong men, & sometimes kids too. No woke lecturing. No disrespectful, dismissive sneering at lesser beings who aren't as evolved as him. He doesn't talk down to his audience. He never treats them, or his characters, like crap. He's the fucking man & I love his work.

He would never treat Joel, or Ellie, the way it looks like Neil Druckman is going to.

 

[Teslerum]

Oh hell no. Jim Cameron is not one of these new extreme wokesters. Don't you put that evil on him!

Every film that dude has ever made. Every one of his films, features strong female & male characters. Working together. Learning from each other. Leaning on each other. Being there to save each other. He believes in men & women, that we are stronger together when we respect one another, that we can learn from one other. That our innate differences are equally to be respected. He is an old school liberal who strongly values the union of man & woman & by extension the traditional family unit.

Sarah Connor & Kyle Reese.
Ripley, Hicks & Newt (& Bishop, the family dog).
Bud & Linsay Brigman.
Sarah Connor, the T800 & John.
Harry, Helen & Dana Tasker.
Jack & Rose.
Jake & Neytiri.

Every single one of his films has the same thing at it's core. Strong women & strong men, & sometimes kids too. No woke lecturing. No disrespectful, dismissive sneering at lesser beings who aren't as evolved as him. He doesn't talk down to his audience. He never treats them, or his characters, like crap. He's the fucking man & I love his work.

He would never treat Joel, or Ellie, the way it looks like Neil Druckman is going to.

Well, Terminator: Dark Fate is similiar in regards to how it treats John Connor

But he didn't direct that, so I guess we don't need to count it. Otherwise I agree.

 

[Hayabusabruh]

For those who swear they’re 100% not buying this game and that their “minds are made up,” i better not find y’all in June talking about playing this game on a different thread! Don’t waver; stick to your guns!

I was actually thinking screw this game, but now that the shock of the spoilers are gone, I'm kinda still hype to see how it unfolds. Just wish such a talented studio wasn't ran by such a (insert something insulting)

 

[Clear]

I don't think you watched it. He is open to it being good cause of the lack of context. He is saying that if there isn't more to understand about Abby that would justify him killing off beloved characters, then the next time a trans character is implemented into a game, people will negatively associate them with this character. That's only a small piece of what he is saying. Listen to what he is actually saying.

I watched it all, and although as you point out he did leave himself a "get out of jail free" clause, the bulk of his argument was assumption, projection and catastrophization. Above all else it fails because it focuses solely on the narrative, when this isn't a movie, its a game with the gameplay portion occupying the lion's share of the play-time.

Also by its nature as an interactive experience regardless as to whom you are playing, there has to be fail states in the gameplay which will result in the character dying. Whats interesting about this is that although those deaths due to player error are impermanent, they are actually absolute. By which I mean the end point of boss-fight between Abby and Ellie will inevitably HAVE to include deaths for the playable character, the fate of the defeated character will likely be pre-determined however, meaning that the option for showing mercy will always be on the table. And in fact this is what we see in the footage. Hell, its entirely possible that the decision for the victor to execute the killing blow could be left up to the player.

The point I'm getting at is that these sort of morally conflicting scenarios are a fertile ground for exploration within a gaming context, far more so than in a static narrative. The defining flaw with his criticism is that it assumes all kinds of absolute positions, which is nonsensical.

Hell, one of the celebrated things about the original game was that not everyone saw Joel's actions to save Ellie as being righteous and justified.

Yet according to this guy, everyone is going to weep because Joel was a saint! Its nonsense.

Not to mention that the game will no doubt been focus-tested to see how the audience reacts. Its kinda inferred that Druckmann is sat rubbing his hands together gleefully at the thought of him pissing his audience off... because he has an "agenda" or some such sillyness. Who the hell works for years on a project expecting (hell, even intending) noone to like it?

 

[Punished Miku]

Gameplay wise the game looks exactly the same. The same bricks, bottles, the same sections with forced slow walking, the same hold buton to open doors etc. Basically i see zero attempt to innovate here.

And the most ridiculous thing here is that the game is basically two separate parts (it applies to the first game too). One part is oscar bait try hard super serious story that comes off cringy because all these conflicts and situations were covered countless times in movies to a better effect and another part is gameplay were this super realistic characters move down hundreds of bad guys.

Its looks especially stupid here were we have two teenage girls duking it out and it basically plays out like a Batman vs Superman fight. Zero creativity, zero consistency

Naughty Dog has basically just made the same cover shooter for 2 generations now.

Pretty much the only thing they added in terms of actual gameplay in all that time is the grappling hook in Uncharted 4.

 

[Macapala]

 

[Steve.1981]

I never had any problem with Nadine in Uncharted 4 (or Lost Legacy). She immediately came across as a tough mercenary type. The kind of person who I believe can fight. Actually fight, not just take a punch. Her beating Nate didn't bother me. He's not John Matrix, he's Indiana Jones. A more normal guy, who just happens to constantly find himself in extraordinary circumstances due to his inquisitive nature & somehow makes his way through. Yeah, he'll beat the bad guy in the end, of course. But he's not a perfectly trained warrior & fighter. It's one of the reasons I love him as a character.

So Nate was cracking jokes during the fight. He knew she had an ability that he didn't. She beat him, not through sheer brute strength or anything, but due to that skill level which she had & he lacked. & anyway, crucially, he lived to fight another day.

I'm not against seeing the hero take a beating. Get knocked down. Hell, I'm not even against seeing the hero fail utterly, or did tragically. As long as the execution is right.

Joel's death. What I've seen anyway. It immediately comes across, to me, as disrepectful. It looks like he is being treated like shit & I don't like it. I could be wrong of course. That's just how I feel right now. Ellie gets her face smashed in. In lurid detail. She's left lying broken & bleeding, again, like a piece of trash on the floor. Treated like shit. I don't like it. I don't like what I've seen & don't think I ever will. To me the execution of these scenes, these ideas of what to do to the characters, is all wrong. They fucked it up.

But I'm open to being completely wrong. In a way, I hope I am.

 

[ExpandKong]

I never had any problem with Nadine in Uncharted 4 (or Lost Legacy). She immediately came across as a tough mercenary type. The kind of person who I believe can fight. Actually fight, not just take a punch. Her beating Nate didn't bother me. He's not John Matrix, he's Indiana Jones. A more normal guy, who just happens to constantly find himself in extraordinary circumstances due to his inquisitive nature & somehow makes his way through. Yeah, he'll beat the bad guy in the end, of course. But he's not a perfectly trained warrior & fighter. It's one of the reasons I love him as a character.

So Nate was cracking jokes during the fight. He knew she had an ability that he didn't. She beat him, not through sheer brute strength or anything, but due to that skill level which she had & he lacked. & anyway, crucially, he lived to fight another day.

I'm not against seeing the hero take a beating. Get knocked down. Hell, I'm not even against seeing the hero fail utterly, or did tragically. As long as the execution is right.

Joel's death. What I've seen anyway. It immediately comes across, to me, as disrepectful. It looks like he is being treated like shit & I don't like it. I could be wrong of course. That's just how I feel right now. Ellie gets her face smashed in. In lurid detail. She's left lying broken & bleeding, again, like a piece of trash on the floor. Treated like shit. I don't like it. I don't like what I've seen & don't think I ever will. To me the execution of these scenes, these ideas of what to do to the characters, is all wrong. They fucked it up.

But I'm open to being completely wrong. In a way, I hope I am.

If you’ve seen it, you’ve seen it. I don’t think anything’s gonna happen between now and launch that will change the way those scenes play out.

On another note, please tell me more about this John Matrix.

 

[WhiskeyDiver]

I'm sure there's going to be a dumb and completely unnecessary reason as to why Joel dies.

I am guessing there's a "CIS-Gendered" kill in house that the developers need to reach.

It's too early to pass judgement on the game obviously. Even though a lot of dumb plot points have been spoiled, I have no doubt that the gameplay aspect of TLoU 2 is extremely polished and amazingly done.

 

[FranXico]

At the end, you fight MJ as Gwen

Not Gwen. Gary. You forgot an important part!

 

[Piku_Ringo]

 

[Punished Miku]

Well I watched the full video finally. Just to say where I'm coming from, I never liked the first game and never finished it. I watched video of most of the cutscenes and saw the ending.

Honestly, the story in TLOU2 doesn't even seem that bad, or like a radical subversion of expectations. It actually pretty much continues what they did in the first game. The whole point of the ending in the first game is that it's unclear if Joel is the hero or the villain. The sequel basically just carries on that same question and never really answers it. He is both hero and villain, and it's just a dark shade of grey the entire game. Then Ellie basically goes on a long murder spree and also becomes hero and villain. And Abby does the same thing.

Really, the only thing people even seem that upset about is that Abby is muscular. The first game and the DLC was clearly pushing SJW elements so even that is not different. I'm kind of surprised at all the hate its getting. If you liked the first game, it seems like more of the same to me.

Only thing that looked neat from a gameplay standpoint is blowing off zombie legs. That was neat.

 

[Steve.1981]

If you’ve seen it, you’ve seen it. I don’t think anything’s gonna happen between now and launch that will change the way those scenes play out.

On another note, please tell me more about this John Matrix.

Maybe you're right. Time will tell.

Did you never see Commando?

That's John Matrix.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Maybe you're right. Time will tell.

Did you never see Commando?

That's John Matrix.

LOL. I remember a kill count video and I think Commando is at about 70-80 kills.

 

[Punished Miku]

So who is Abby in the story again? Is she related to people that died at the end of part 1?

 

[ExpandKong]

Maybe you're right. Time will tell.

Did you never see Commando?

That's John Matrix.

Oh shit I’m an idiot, I brain farted and assumed you were doing a combo John Wick and the Matrix thing.

 

[Woggleman]

The woke brigade have attacked anybody who they deem as an oppressor class since about 2014 and have gone after gamers with a specific ferocity and people are sick of it. I think that something like the TLOU2 is soaking up all that backlash.

 

[Steve.1981]

So who is Abby in the story again? Is she related to people that died at the end of part 1?

Apparently her dad was the doctor/surgeon that Joel killed in the operating room at the very end.

You know that guy who was about to cut up a little girl, without even giving her a say in the matter, because maybe, hopefully it'll lead to a cure fingers crossed guys!. That legend? He was her wonderful father who must be avenged.

*sigh*

 

[cormack12]

Do we actually know if Abby is trans, or is it just assumed based on how big of a beef cake she is?

I think it's a stupid rumour that started on 4ch and people lumped in as another reason on top of everything else to not buy.

 

[Punished Miku]

Apparently her dad was the doctor/surgeon that Joel killed in the operating room at the very end.

You know that guy who was about to cut up a little girl, without even giving her a say in the matter, because maybe, hopefully it'll lead to a cure fingers crossed guys!. That legend? He was her wonderful father who must be avenged.

*sigh*

One kill to save humanity. Another character that is also hero and villain, like every single other character in the game I guess.

 

[Woggleman]

Apparently her dad was the doctor/surgeon that Joel killed in the operating room at the very end.

You know that guy who was about to cut up a little girl, without even giving her a say in the matter, because maybe, hopefully it'll lead to a cure fingers crossed guys!. That legend? He was her wonderful father who must be avenged.

*sigh*

This is true but at the end of the day it was also the father who loved and cared for her and was probably telling her that he was trying to create a better world for her. She saw him get killed in a brutal manner so she goes after the guy who did it. It shows the actions of the first game from a different perspective.

 

[Jbomb19]

The woke brigade have attacked anybody who they deem as an oppressor class since about 2014 and have gone after gamers with a specific ferocity and people are sick of it. I think that something like the TLOU2 is soaking up all that backlash.

yep, marginalized groups have been pushing back against those who have oppressed them since...

*checks notes*

...2014. Not a day before then.

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

Maybe Abby wakes up and it’s all a dream?

 

[Steve.1981]

One kill to save humanity. Another character that is also hero and villain, like every single other character in the game I guess.

Call it what it was. The killing of an innocent child, to maybe save humanity. Maybe.

This is true but at the end of the day it was also the father who loved and cared for her and was probably telling her that he was trying to create a better world for her. She saw him get killed in a brutal manner so she goes after the guy who did it. It shows the actions of the first game from a different perspective.

I'm not entirely sure why anyone would want to look at the actions of the first game from another perspective. That kind of thing is interesting in theory, but I don't think it will ever make for a satisfying story, unless it's very well executed. Which this doesn't look like. Also, we kind of already got that from David in part 1. He told Ellie about how Joel's actions could look from another perspective & it was an interesting moment for the player to think about. Then we found out the other perspective guy was a cannibal & wannabe rapist.

& I do wonder if Ellie will remind Abby about her fathers actions which lead to his death. You know, the fact that he was prepared to cut up a little girls brain & kill her, without even giving her any say in the matter, because it might lead to a vaccine, maybe, if we all hope & pray really hard. I wonder if Abby will have to confront the uncomfortable truth about dad. Since we're looking at all this stuff.

 

[Punished Miku]

Call it what it was. The killing of an innocent child, to maybe save humanity. Maybe

Sure, that's fine. I'm not emotionally invested in the story. I'm just genuinely surprised that people are that surprised. This is basically a continuation of everything the ending of the first game tried to say.

 

[Steve.1981]

This is basically a continuation of everything the ending of the first game tried to say.

I disagree with that, in a big way. But if you're not invested in the story, then you'll probably appreciate me not dragging you into a tiresome debate about the whole thing.

 

[Woggleman]

yep, marginalized groups have been pushing back against those who have oppressed them since...

*checks notes*

...2014. Not a day before then.

They have but in 2014 is really when these divisive identity movements started to take hold in a big way. Stuff that even the most progressive person would shrugged off was now an example of toxic white male privilege or whatever. I think many people are just sick of it and TLOU2 is bearing the brunt of that.

 

[B-universe]

yep, marginalized groups have been pushing back against those who have oppressed them since...

*checks notes*

...2014. Not a day before then.

How are these groups oppressed today?
Do tell.
And by whom?

 

[Woggleman]

David was a cannibal and a wannabe rapist and he just came off as a creep from the moment we met him plus him raping Ellie served no other purpose than him getting his rocks off. Abby's father may have been a loving and caring dad towards his daughter and that is what she remembers of him and in her mind some mad man killed him and massacred pretty much the entire hospital. Her childhood and safety in a brutal world was ripped from her. Also her father right or wrong was not being malicious but saw the sacrifice of one life for whole of humanity as a worthy trade off.

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah, it’s because we hate women.

If you have a problem with SJW politics, it must be that you are a nazi!

How dare people question that the famous feminist creator of a videogame included a scene that is literally fanservice for feminists in which a little woman beats the two Rambo’s like protagonists, overpowering them in humilliating manner.

How dare they?!



Was it far from one?

The heroines were perfect feminists who made the males look like dumb brute cavemen. And the root of all evil is literally a white male who showed what the feminists archetypichally describe as “toxic masculinity”.

The design was praised for being a “strong, intelligent woman not sexualized (the horror!).

The feminist tropes and the pandering in the game is obvious.

never saw this way tbh.

Spoiler

the men look like brute caveman because they basically are compared to her knowledge of what is happening, she know shit that 99,99% of men in that game don't know (all the futuristic stuff), but her knowledge and all the people being against her is an integral part of the plot, she is not smarter because unknown reasons...
the main villain is just a puppet in the hand of an evil IA and he choose to spare aloy during the beginning because of how weak and unimportant she was, not exactly a female power fantasy.


sylens is a fucking badass and even more capable than aloy at least regarding technology, and he has the last word during the ending, and he is a male.

 

[cormack12]

Also her father right or wrong was not being malicious but saw the sacrifice of one life for whole of humanity as a worthy trade off.

Out of interest, do you think the soldier was right to shoot Sarah? And attempt to shoot Joel?

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

Rachel is going to be in for a shock. Any of you clever paint / shop savvy bastards want to put a golf club through it?

 

[cormack12]

Rachel is going to be in for a shock.

Damn, she's gonna need to amend that 0 much better now