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All The Last of Us 2 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.

Are you claiming the body model they used for Abby is on anabolic steroids?
Most definitely.

But besides that, did you skip over everything else I wrote? All the reasons that I explained having a body like Anny's model does in current days world of abundance wouldn't be feasible in an post apocalyptic pandemic situation? Here, let me remind you.

Do you know how hard it is for females to gain muscle mass? Let alone men? Women actually have to work far harder than men to get the same exact mass as a man... If they even can. Men have far more muscle density, pound for pound. Larger bones and tendons and ligaments < where real, lasting strength comes from since bulky muscle fatigues much faster than tendons. To achieve this without juicing they would need to be on a very strict rigorous workout regime. There would be lots of downtime during recovery. Finally, you would need a very specific, HIGH quality diet to reach and maintain that mass. Those women in that pic, if they aren't juicing are most definitely taking the highest quality sups and vitamins on the market. Let alone an abundance of specific healthy foods and a strict meal plan.

In todays world of abundance where these things are easily available, this could be doable. But in a post apocalyptic world where the world and environment make the plans, not you? Where you need to be on your game and can't spare recovery days due to zombies and other crazy people and any other emergencies that would come up in that kind of situation? Where because of all of that you wouldn't be able to train those specific muscle groups as rigorously as you would need to because you need to be ready? IMO, I absolutely don't think so.

Go find me a real world example of tribes, or people who live in an environment where it is survival of the fittest, where the women are big and muscular. It costs a lot of fuel to maintain that mass. Truth is, that females function MUCH more efficiently in survival situations with less muscle mass and at much less of a fuel intake than they do with more mass. This is why all these tribal women who actually do stuff men do, look slender or less bulky. Because their bodies naturally perform MUCH more efficiently this way and it is dangerous for them to try to unnaturally perform outside of that range.

If you want some real world examples in real time, go watch Alone. There are several female participants from the second season on. Watch how they just melt away and their muscles become much leaner and FAR less bulky even though they are in a survival of the fittest situation and literally have to struggle every day to stay alive. You can easily compare to the men here, who lose mass as well, but on average not nearly as much. And due to having more muscle mass in general, and being able to pack it on faster when they DO have food due to the way testosterone works where it increases mass by increasing protein muscle synthesis, you'll see how they can last longer than females who are wasting away along with them. They can just produce far more muscle for their body to devour. Which I believe is why people aren't fussed about Joel so much since it is far more believable for him to look bigger. In fact, speaking on his forearms which I've seen brought up, hand strength in men is a particular area where men excel greatly.


Your forearms are a huge contributor to your grip strength. So for Joel it makes sense. Especially when you think about it in context with everything I've said. Men grow muscle faster due to testosterone. The one thing that men do workout ALL the time, even if they aren't training, is their hands. They are constantly moving them and gripping things. More activation in that area is going to mean more mass. More muscle mass, especially continual repetitive movements which would also strengthen tendons as well are going to cause more vasculature, which also grow easier in men. Thing is, our bones keep growing all our life. But areas with more vasculature are going to grow even more. So men who do more with their hands, even when not on a training regime, are just going to continue to have larger forearms and hands throughout their life because that area is going to keep growing faster than others. If you look around you at some of the older service men or manual labor workers who otherwise look unfit, you'll see this. Which is why Abby's forearms look so frigging ridiculous. To achieve that would be crazy for a real woman. Let alone maintaining it in that environment.

And before we go in circles again about the roids since it doesn't seem like you are reading my posts...

First off, roids aren't going to get you jacked all on their own. You are still going to need all the other sups and quality foods and a strict diet and exorcise. Especially given all the potential side effects of roids... Going to need lots of food to maintain that mass you pack on as well unless you have some sort of lifetime supply of roids...

Secondly, Anabolic steroids are what we are talking about here, not that crap you can get at Walmart that doesn't directly have anything to do with testosterone... and they are a banned substance. So they would already be very rare to find, even today let alone an apocalypse, especially in any significant quantities that you would need to keep taking for the years it would take a woman to bulk up that much...

Thirdly, and most important of all... The start of the cordyceps brain infection happened canonically in TLOU's timeline in 2013. This is when everything would have started to become abandoned. The events where the doctor, Abby's father, was killed by Joel happened in 2034... That's 21 years in-between. This is apparently what set Abby off on "her" revenge trip. So if we are to say she started looking for Steroids at this point... Anabolic steroids have an expiry date of about 1 year. But they actually last much longer. Around 5 years. Then they start to degrade immensely in potency... And this is ONLY if they where actually properly stored at room temperature... If they've separated due to cold temps, then they would degrade even faster. Average winter temp in Utah, just guessing that's where Abby was since that's where the fireflies where, is 21°. But even in the best case scenario, if it was in a fridge that was insulated... after 21 years the roids would certainly have lost all their potency. The oldest roids I've ever heard anyone taking was around 10 years. That's freaking ballsy as it is considering what taking spoiled roids could do to you, let alone fresh ones... But it was still already not very potent. So 21 years? Yeah, that's going to be a big ol nope from me dawg.

And yes. I believe lots of male athletes even take roids at some point or other. Let alone women.

Here's the rub. Steroids aren't a one time solution either. You will lose any gains outside of your natural genetic potential if you go off of them. Also, here is a good article, among hundreds, on why so many athletes don't get caught. Lots of athletes go on roids or hormones of some kind for long lengths of time while competing and only get caught mid way through or even towards the end. So you can imagine how many people are just slipping through the testing.
 
I gave up trying to understand how and why they got to “this game is pushing a SJW agenda that will destroy humanity and I am never buying this game because it has ruined all video games before and after it!”
doesn't SJW means promoting gays and trans people trying to push us to accept it as normal? along with showing how females can be stronger then man.
 
I gave up trying to understand how and why they got to “this game is pushing a SJW agenda that will destroy humanity and I am never buying this game because it has ruined all video games before and after it!”
No one can still comment on the sjw stuff because if they try they must not have played the first game then
 
doesn't SJW means promoting gays and trans people trying to push us to accept it as normal? along with showing how females can be stronger then man.
I have no idea but there were gay people in the first game there has been no evidence of a trans at all. Grown ass men just cant handle a bulky woman which actually happens in real life as well.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
doesn't SJW means promoting gays and trans people trying to push us to accept it as normal? along with showing how females can be stronger then man.
Usually, SJWs promote minorities/oppressed groups and maintain an unwaveringly favourable view of these groups. From this stems their desire to change norms and standards in society to benefit these "oppressed" groups.
 
A built woman who was modeled after a real woman and using a separare face who is also a woman makes her a trans and or a man?
so if your mother has a man face is she a trans?

thats a woman taking hormones to be a man STFU already.

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Jon Neu

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lol exactly. No answer. Predictable. I have asked so many people that question and not one person has given me an answer. Almost like “they’re pushing an agenda!” is a coverall statement for: “SOMETHING IS DIFFERENT AND IT SCARES ME!”

Funny how you keep repeating the same strawman fantasies about how “we are scared of women”.

And extrmely ironic of you to talk about no answers when you have literally added nothing to the conversation, you simply keep strawmaning people to try and shame them for the sin of not liking SJW politics.


if he faces off against the likes of Holly Holmes or Amanda Nunes in an actual octagon, the dude is out in the danger zone and personally I feel a boxer coming into amore chaotic and rounded sport where you have leg kicks and take downs and submissons, I could see Mayweathe tappig out or getting his head kicked off. All respects to the champ but all around fighting is not his area.

Mayweather doesn’t know wrestling. Let’s reverse it and say Amanda and Holly fight Mayweather in boxing. If Mayweather wants, they wouldn’t survive the first 50 seconds.

Have you seen the tranny that started to compete with women? He is utterly destroying them, cracking skulls and making them cry that “is not fair” for him to fight against them. One of them said that she never felt so overpowered in her life.

How many trannys beat the woman world record the second they compete in the female category? There’s almost one a month by now.

And trannys are men taking hormones to actually decrease their biological strength.

Remember the women US soccer team? They are legends, the best in their field.

And they get humilliated by 14 years old males that are at the bottom of the male soccer hierarchy.

Sorry, but you can’t change genetics and biology. Men are far more stronger and athletic than women and there is not a substitute for that.
 

Yu Furealdo

Member
When I was in HS, there were a couple girls on the rugby team who were approaching Abby's size. Some of it comes down to having an abnormally wide frame for a female.

It happens. Are the chances high that a random doctor would have a daughter built like that? Meh not really... but I don't care.

Even Anthony Bourdain's ex-wife, who was pretty tiny, became obsessed with martial arts and became ripped.

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So does that mean then the woman who they modelled it after body wise is also a Man though she identifies as a woman?
Being bulky makes you a trans?
Lol
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look up what transgender means "denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex".
 
So does that mean then the woman who they modelled it after body wise is also a Man though she identifies as a woman?
Being bulky makes you a trans?
Lol
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Actually exogenous male hormone therapy, or testosterone therapy is the first step in female to male transitioning and there are several stories of women on roids that went too far and ended up transitioning.

 
look up what transgender means "denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex".
Do you know if this character outright says they dont identify as the gender they were born with? Do you have the leak that states it in game, oh do you? Ohhhh your just going off the size of her body still ooookkkkk.

cant teach stupid.

your righr that deff can be a step, or much like hee actual body model who competes in competitions and is that jacked, guess what....she still identifies as a woman....shocking I know. A bulky woman still identifies as a woman. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGH?!?
 
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Most definitely.

But besides that, did you skip over everything else I wrote? All the reasons that I explained having a body like Anny's model does in current days world of abundance wouldn't be feasible in an post apocalyptic pandemic situation? Here, let me remind you.



And before we go in circles again about the roids since it doesn't seem like you are reading my posts...



And yes. I believe lots of male athletes even take roids at some point or other. Let alone women.

Here's the rub. Steroids aren't a one time solution either. You will lose any gains outside of your natural genetic potential if you go off of them. Also, here is a good article, among hundreds, on why so many athletes don't get caught. Lots of athletes go on roids or hormones of some kind for long lengths of time while competing and only get caught mid way through or even towards the end. So you can imagine how many people are just slipping through the testing.

I really only cared whether or not you were claiming her body model does anabolic steroids. Something you can't prove but your whole argument would need to hinge on. If even one woman can be as big as Abby without anabolic steroids... then Abby can be. Even if no woman possibly could be Abby's size (I feel like her size is really being exaggerated, look at the arms on the tiny lady upthread) it'd still be a fictional piece of media so your entire argument means nothing to me. It means as much as arguing Conan the Barbarian couldn't be his size or the characters in The Walking Dead shouldn't have perfect oral hygiene. It's a nitpick that the rest of us aren't bothered by.
 
I really only cared whether or not you were claiming her body model does anabolic steroids. Something you can't prove but your whole argument would need to hinge on. If even one woman can be as big as Abby without anabolic steroids... then Abby can be. Even if no woman possibly could be Abby's size (I feel like her size is really being exaggerated, look at the arms on the tiny lady upthread) it'd still be a fictional piece of media so your entire argument means nothing to me. It means as much as arguing Conan the Barbarian couldn't be his size or the characters in The Walking Dead shouldn't have perfect oral hygiene. It's a nitpick that the rest of us aren't bothered by.
lol people are clearly bothered. Else you wouldn't be in here trying to damage control...
 

ruvikx

Banned
thats a woman taking hormones to be a man STFU already.

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A fact needs repeating again, again & again for anyone who's entirely deaf, i.e. The Last of Us 2 is Neil Druckmann's fantasy. It's not real life.

So when I see a defense force attempting to project 'real life" into their argumentation & pretend Abby is somehow totally normal, just no. It's a dude's fantasy (aka Druckmann's) about a woman who looks like... a dude. Men are often accused of "objectifying" women with their fantastical video game creations (princess Zelda aka the damsel in distress stereotype which pisses off the SJW's so much), well, Druckmann has literally created his own little fantasy where women are defeminized & turned into men.

It's borderline disturbing tbh.
 
lol people are clearly bothered. Else you wouldn't be in here trying to damage control...

You know people have no leg to stand on when they call the other side's argument damage control and say stuff like "clearly you care" or "clearly people are bothered" or "you wouldn't be in here if..."

It's a video game forum where we argue about meaningless things to pass the time, this isn't important stuff and it doesn't matter what we feel like commenting on. Some people will bring out the fiercest arguments but not mean shit in the end. Lest we forget...


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Jon Neu

Banned
When I was in HS, there were a couple girls on the rugby team who were approaching Abby's size. Some of it comes down to having an abnormally wide frame for a female.

It happens. Are the chances high that a random doctor would have a daughter built like that? Meh not really... but I don't care.

Even Anthony Bourdain's ex-wife, who was pretty tiny, became obsessed with martial arts and became ripped.

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She is flexing and barely has a biceps.

That’s not even a galaxy close to Abby.

Someone please put the screens of the gameplay in wich Abby’s arms were bigger than this girl’s torso.

And Nate clearly doesnt know how to fight against someone with quality training and was out of his element for the first fight.

Nate literally has fought hundreds and hundreds of military forces who have to be specialized in combat. Forces much more bigger, stronger, and athletic than Nadine.

That scene is just feminist porn. And the scene later in which she beats both Nathan and Sam at the same time it’s a confirmation.
 
You know people have no leg to stand on when they call the other side's argument damage control and say stuff like "clearly you care" or "clearly people are bothered" or "you wouldn't be in here if..."

It's a video game forum where we argue about meaningless things to pass the time, this isn't important stuff and it doesn't matter what we feel like commenting on. Some people will bring out the fiercest arguments but not mean shit in the end. Lest we forget...


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Nice attempt at handwaving and hiding your head in the sand. For those watching. This is what it looks like when you lose an argument and don't have the balls to man up and admit it gracefully. The goalposts have nowhere to go so you turn to, "well all of this is meaningless" and "it will still sell regardless!"
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Sorry if that's harsh but man I'm so sick of this crap. And for the record. I've often said in the past that any who are man enough to take a step back and admit they where wrong when presented with sound arguments and facts while arguing with me, or anyone else, gain MASSIVE respect in my book and I actually see them in a higher light than before and even above others whom I haven't engaged. I know very well, as a life long mentor to youth and young adults how hard it is for men in general to lay down their swords and do this. So when I see it happen, it means a lot and I don't let it go unforgotten.

You didn't think this stuff was so meaningless when you responded to this thread...


This is what people are seeing here. SJW crap seeping in. With tons of evidence. And I'll say here what I said there when someone said they just wanted to play games...

""I get you. But sadly, and I can't believe I'm saying this... This is why we are in this mess in the first place. Too many people just wanted to play games and we let this crap seep in because we ignored it and just kept buyin and playin... Just look at all the the ways people from all sides of the fanboy isle try so hard to defend their fav games or platforms from being "hurt" by anything negative, even when it's clearly political, with the most recent example being TLOU2's leaks.

I'm prepping myself for Halo. Halo is dear to me. My friggin corpuscles are little Master Chief helmets. But man with all this SJW crap being injected into everything I'm girding myself for the worst. Though I love the games... I'll not defend them from ANY SJW crap found within. Even if I don't agree with things others think are SJW propaganda. If only to send a message to any dev thinking about it that I don't want that crap injected into my beloved series. Or anything really. But I'm far more harsh on things I love than things I don't. Because I actually care and I want them to be better.""

Just handwaving this stuff away, because it is your fav game or platform, is doing more harm than good. If you really love these games and this platform and you are actuallly averse to the SJW, fascist mentality, then you wouldn't be so quick to defend this crap when it's so clearly evident it's an industry wide issue.

EDIT: I have some gardening to do so I'll be late with any replies.
 
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Azurro

Banned
No one can still comment on the sjw stuff because if they try they must not have played the first game then

Really? I played the first game and the only indication of woke narrative was how one of the characters was gay and iirc it was revealed in a letter. I thought that was tasteful.

It's the silly DLC where they turned Ellie into a lesbian as far as I can remember, I found it uninteresting so I never got it. In any case, it wasn't a big topic or in your face, while in this one you play as a roided up monster.
 
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Jon Neu

Banned
I gave up trying to understand how and why they got to “this game is pushing a SJW agenda

Literally the creator of the videogame tells you so.

And you know it because we have been repeating that little detail along the thread.

I don’t know if you can understand that the creator stating that he indeed introduces SJW politics in the game makes it the literal definition of pushing a SJW agenda.

At first I thought you were playing dumb, because it’s what SJW apologists tend to do. But I’m starting to believe that for some reason you are literally incapable of processing that information.

It certainly paints a funny picture bearing in mind that everything you do is accusing other people of seeing “boogeymen” and being “scared”.
 
Nice attempt at handwaving and hiding your head in the sand. For those watching. This is what it looks like when you lose an argument and don't have the balls to man up and admit it gracefully. The goalposts have nowhere to go so you turn to, "well all of this is meaningless" and "it will still sell regardless!"
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Sorry if that's harsh but man I'm so sick of this crap. And for the record. I've often said in the past that any who are man enough to take a step back and admit they where wrong when presented with sound arguments and facts while arguing with me, or anyone else, gain MASSIVE respect in my book and I actually see them in a higher light than before and even above others whom I haven't engaged. I know very well, as a life long mentor to youth and young adults how hard it is for men in general to lay down their swords and do this. So when I see it happen, it means a lot and I don't let it go unforgotten.

You didn't think this stuff was so meaningless when you responded to this thread...


This is what people are seeing here. SJW crap seeping in. With tons of evidence. And I'll say here what I said there when someone said they just wanted to play games...

""I get you. But sadly, and I can't believe I'm saying this... This is why we are in this mess in the first place. Too many people just wanted to play games and we let this crap seep in because we ignored it and just kept buyin and playin... Just look at all the the ways people from all sides of the fanboy isle try so hard to defend their fav games or platforms from being "hurt" by anything negative, even when it's clearly political, with the most recent example being TLOU2's leaks.

I'm prepping myself for Halo. Halo is dear to me. My friggin corpuscles are little Master Chief helmets. But man with all this SJW crap being injected into everything I'm girding myself for the worst. Though I love the games... I'll not defend them from ANY SJW crap found within. Even if I don't agree with things others think are SJW propaganda. If only to send a message to any dev thinking about it that I don't want that crap injected into my beloved series. Or anything really. But I'm far more harsh on things I love than things I don't. Because I actually care and I want them to be better.""

Just handwaving this stuff away, because it is your fav game or platform, is doing more harm than good. If you really love these games and this platform and you are actuallly averse to the SJW, fascist mentality, then you wouldn't be so quick to defend this crap when it's so clearly evident it's an industry wide issue.

What facts? You said her body model does anabolic steroids without proof and told us we have to believe you because others have been caught doing it. That's not factual. Either way, what did you believe or perceive the goalpost to be? Because in the other thread you simply asked if the game had an explanation for her size, which it does and I asked you to come here to discuss that. After being told what we know of the explanation you launched into this BS about anabolic steroids, their shelf-life and how all females of that body size MUST be using them. I allowed you to shift the goalposts now you yell at me for shifting them back?

What is fascist about Abby's body?

So wait, I can't add to my argument with stuff about how I don't think it really matters but you can add to yours with the SJW stuff? If you want to respect goalposts then you should keep in mind we were never arguing about SJW stuff or fascism or whatever else.

I'm hand waving Abby being big because it never bothered me, I've watched 90 minutes of leaks and her size doesn't bother me in them, though some of the footage is clearly unfinished.

If Neil Druckman is a true SJW and not doing it because he's forced then I have no problem with him giving us his message, Fascism to me represents when devs are forced to do things they don't want to. John Carpenter made his best movies when he was pissed off at Republicans, I love the movies but they never made me think "better vote for Democrats!" That's my thing, I don't mind this stuff if the quality doesn't suffer due to it. If the quality of TLOU II suffers due to SJW BS then maybe you'll get me on your side, but if we're just speculating on the game based on leaks I'm not all that concerned.
 
they’ll never answer that question. The same way they won’t answer if you ask what exactly the agenda is that this game is supposedly pushing. I keep asking people complaining about this “SJW agenda” and no one can answer me.

"so while working on The Last of Us, I had this secret agenda - I wanted to create one of the coolest, non-sexualized female video game protagonists. And I felt like, with The Last of Us, if we did that, there's an opportunity here to change the industry." -Neil Druckmann

Starts around 36 minutes: 37:00

That's it. Plain as day and straight from Neil's mouth. This is old news, but this quote, along with Neil citing Anita as an inspiration, is what has had fans of The Last of Us worried for a very long time. People here are acting like these concerns are new, but they're not. The leaks are just opening everything up again. Same thing happened when the reveal trailer came out for Part II years ago with the infamous kissing scene. The funny thing is, even though people voiced their concerns, they were just concerns. Almost everyone was giving Naughty Dog the benefit of the doubt. The thing is, most level headed persons are wondering if Neil's agenda will affect the writing; and what's worse is that the people arguing against this automatically yell "bigot" or "phobe" instead of starting a conversation. This derails the whole argument and turns the whole thread into a pissing contest instead of a debate.

I am aware that some posters are, in fact, solely turned off by certain androgynous themes, but level headed arguments are blatantly ignored because everyone would rather fight that debate.

Any-who... I wanted to come back in here to to comment on this:

"When I'm introducing and describing a new character to our lead character concept artist, constantly she will ask, 'What if it was a girl?'" Druckmann said, when asked how his interest in the work of Feminist Frequency affected the recent PlayStation 4 game. "And I'm like, Oh, I didn't think about that. Let me think, does that affect or change anything? No? Cool, that's different. Yeah, let's do it."

I find this quote to be disturbing from someone that's supposed to be a professional writer. This reasoning may work when designing a random NPC, but when designing a major character for a story everything matters. Even gender. I have no qualms with Drake's kid being a girl, but using this reasoning for it was a major wasted opportunity and is plain lazy. In the first three Uncharted games, it was established that Drake was your standard, masculine, ladies man with a best friend/father figure. (Gender is important here). Thematically, it would make sense that Drake would prefer a son. Seeing as he had a daughter, it would have been great if they added just a few more minutes to the epilogue of UC4 to show how Drake had to adjust to being softer for his daughter.

I honestly believe that Neil just got lucky with The Last of Us 1, and now we're all seeing how good he really is at writing.

Not to sound sexist or anything, but a woman would have written relationships better in these franchises.
 
Can someone give me context for this image?
I never jumped on the Modern Warfare 2 multiplayer bandwagon back in the day but this keeps popping up every now and then.

It's the most perfect example of videogame boycotts failing. I can't remember the exact reason they were boycotting it, no dedicated servers maybe? But most the group were playing it the day of release all the same. A lot of the time if a person spends all their time talking about a specific game they probably like it, even if they're mostly negative. I mean... I don't spend my time talking about games I don't plan on playing, personally.
 

brian0057

Banned
It's the most perfect example of videogame boycotts failing. I can't remember the exact reason they were boycotting it, no dedicated servers maybe? But most the group were playing it the day of release all the same. A lot of the time if a person spends all their time talking about a specific game they probably like it, even if they're mostly negative. I mean... I don't spend my time talking about games I don't plan on playing, personally.
That makes sense. I mean, people act surprised when they see that the most vocal haters are the ones that love (or loved) the franchise.
Well, no shit. If they didn't care for it, they wouldn't give a crap about it doing or not doing anything.
Thanks for the reply.
 
That makes sense. I mean, people act surprised when they see that the most vocal haters are the ones that love (or loved) the franchise.
Well, no shit. If they didn't care for it, they wouldn't give a crap about it doing or not doing anything.
Thanks for the reply.

You ever seen the Steam reviews where the guy reviewing has over 1,000 hours and doesn't recommend the game? haha
 

Jon Neu

Banned
I find this quote to be disturbing from someone that's supposed to be a professional writer. This reasoning may work when designing a random NPC, but when designing a major character for a story everything matters. Even gender.

The problem with feminists is that they have an enormous inferiority complex regarding the physical superiority of men, so to fight that back, they‘re compulsively try to establish this false narrative in which females are as strong as males.

That’s why is such a classic feminist trope to have a woman beat a man, especially in an humilliating manner. It’s one of their greatest fantasies of power that plays with one of the greatest insecurities of feminists.

There’s also all the gender is a social construct crazyness, so obviously for someone like Cuckmann, there’s technically no difference between a male and a female because everything it’s a construction of our society -but he’s still is going to favour females-.
 

Azurro

Banned
It's the most perfect example of videogame boycotts failing. I can't remember the exact reason they were boycotting it, no dedicated servers maybe? But most the group were playing it the day of release all the same. A lot of the time if a person spends all their time talking about a specific game they probably like it, even if they're mostly negative. I mean... I don't spend my time talking about games I don't plan on playing, personally.

That's a false equivalence though, I remember the backlash, but at the end of the day, people were hyped and the lack of dedicated servers was not something that the average person would even notice.

Playing as a huge monster "lady" that is injecting herself with steroids while playing golf with the main protagonist's head will be noticed, to say the least.

Regardless, I don't expect initial sales will be impacted much, as it's mostly forum goers that know about this. It will be in the long run and potentially the sequel where the sales will suffer because of this.
 
She is flexing and barely has a biceps.

That’s not even a galaxy close to Abby.

Someone please put the screens of the gameplay in wich Abby’s arms were bigger than this girl’s torso.



Nate literally has fought hundreds and hundreds of military forces who have to be specialized in combat. Forces much more bigger, stronger, and athletic than Nadine.

That scene is just feminist porn. And the scene later in which she beats both Nathan and Sam at the same time it’s a confirmation.
She git ghe best of him early on admit it, he was on shakey legs. Cant believe somone mad at lady video game character best up a male, sheesh
 

Jayjayhd34

Member
That's a false equivalence though, I remember the backlash, but at the end of the day, people were hyped and the lack of dedicated servers was not something that the average person would even notice.

Playing as a huge monster "lady" that is injecting herself with steroids while playing golf with the main protagonist's head will be noticed, to say the least.

Regardless, I don't expect initial sales will be impacted much, as it's mostly forum goers that know about this. It will be in the long run and potentially the sequel where the sales will suffer because of this.

If your going to express an opinion that's fine but why add totally inaccurate information to your post.
 


Nope no agenda here guys none at all lets just have the only male playable character in the entire franchise that wiped out entire clicker nest, rebel campus and cleaned out john wick ,Revey and spike style " anime black lagoon" "anime coyboy bebop" an entire hospital with multiple floors Die by a Walmart brand golf club and a overly buff Brock Lesnar style trans person.
 

Azurro

Banned
If your going to express an opinion that's fine but why add totally inaccurate information to your post.

What is inaccurate about my post? Let me see:

- Monster lady in the game: there is a monster lady in the game. Accurate.
- Roided up. No woman can look like that naturally, so yeah, roids. Accurate.
- Plays golf with Joel's head. It happens, Accurate.

Now, if you are objecting to her somehow getting a hold of steroids in the apocalypse, well yeah, that's for Druckmann to explain that ridiculous nonsense. Then again, he did add a pristine gym with equipment that looked totally new to the game so what do I know? :D
 

Jayjayhd34

Member
What is inaccurate about my post? Let me see:

- Monster lady in the game: there is a monster lady in the game. Accurate.
- Roided up. No woman can look like that naturally, so yeah, roids. Accurate.
- Plays golf with Joel's head. It happens, Accurate.

Now, if you are objecting to her somehow getting a hold of steroids in the apocalypse, well yeah, that's for Druckmann to explain that ridiculous nonsense. Then again, he did add a pristine gym with equipment that looked totally new to the game so what do I know? :D

You have no evidence she's using the injecting roids so its inaccurate. Some best video games have things in them that don't make sense games are fiction a end of the day.

Last of us has dozen plot holes far bigger than a musclar woman.....
 

Croatoan

They/Them A-10 Warthog
Do you, or do you not, play has abby for half of the game?

Is Ellie the final boss fight or does that bullshit happen in them middle of the story?

If Ellie is the main protagonist 95% of the time, and kills abby in the end, then this game will do fine.

But, if you play as abby half the game, and kill ellie in the final boss fight, then this game will be a pariah like mass effect 3.
 
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Do you, or do you not, play has abby for half of the game?

Is Ellie the final boss fight or does that bullshit happen in them middle of the story?

If Ellie is the main protagonist 95% of the time, and kills abby in the end, then this game will do fine.

But, if you play as abby half the game, and kill ellie in the final boss fight, then this game will be a pariah like mass effect 3.

What if it's neither ending you've proposed?
 

Azurro

Banned
You have no evidence she's using the injecting roids so its inaccurate. Some best video games have things in them that don't make sense games are fiction a end of the day.

Last of us has dozen plot holes far bigger than a musclar woman.....

The Last of Us is supposed to be a very realistic videogame, with just some slight tweaks here and there to let things happen, like the cordiceps spore jumping to humans.

So, by presenting that "thing" there that literally cannot naturally look like that, it implies that she is using steroids, no ifs or buts about it.

I don't know why it offends you, every single competing body builder uses them and necessary to achieve certain body types
 

Jbomb19

Member
Literally the creator of the videogame tells you so.

And you know it because we have been repeating that little detail along the thread.

I don’t know if you can understand that the creator stating that he indeed introduces SJW politics in the game makes it the literal definition of pushing a SJW agenda.

At first I thought you were playing dumb, because it’s what SJW apologists tend to do. But I’m starting to believe that for some reason you are literally incapable of processing that information.

It certainly paints a funny picture bearing in mind that everything you do is accusing other people of seeing “boogeymen” and being “scared”.

But no one has answered me about what the agenda is? The endgame? What’s Neil’s agenda with this game? What do you think he’s doing? What do you think he wants? What is naughty dog’s final goal with this game?

I have no doubt neils personal politics affect the content he creates because DUH. Everyone who makes any art does that. I just haven’t gotten a straight answer when I ask exactly what are these “SJW politics” that are in The Last of Us 2 and what is naughty dog’s agenda with this game. do you think a video game company is putting out a game just to pander to these Social Justice Warriors you constantly mention? Because that seems like a shitty business strategy lol
 

Jayjayhd34

Member
The Last of Us is supposed to be a very realistic videogame, with just some slight tweaks here and there to let things happen, like the cordiceps spore jumping to humans.

So, by presenting that "thing" there that literally cannot naturally look like that, it implies that she is using steroids, no ifs or buts about it.

I don't know why it offends you, every single competing body builder uses them and necessary to achieve certain body types

you really think last of us is realistic game but musclar woman is where you draw the line ok.

it does not offend me however its wrong to post information that is that not backed by single leak especially when theirs lot people lurking on this forum and if no one challenges you on they might take as fact, this how misinformation is spread.

on last point thanks for showing how narrow minded you are.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Do you, or do you not, play has abby for half of the game?

Is Ellie the final boss fight or does that bullshit happen in them middle of the story?

If Ellie is the main protagonist 95% of the time, and kills abby in the end, then this game will do fine.

But, if you play as abby half the game, and kill ellie in the final boss fight, then this game will be a pariah like mass effect 3.

More like 30% for the second half of the game, but the final parts of the game is not clear.


Abby-Ellie-Fight
- Ellie loses the fight and Abby warns Ellie that she doesn't want to see her face again. This was what many people called "The Final Boss".

The Farm
- We don't know how long this chapter is. We only seen one cut-scene and it's Ellie talking to Dina about how she wants to go and kill Abby.

Santa Barbara
- We only saw a 40 second clip and it was likely the beginning of this Santa Barbara chapter. After this point, we don't know what's going to happen.

Epilogue
- ?

My guess:

The leaker doesn't know what's going to happen at the end. The plot summary was based on what leak footage he saw and just filled in the gaps. He suggest that it will end on a cliffhanger, but I'm personally starting to question that. The segments labeled the end (Santa Barbara and Epilogue) is just Abby looking for the fireflies?

I just think there's more that we don't know. Ellie could show up and kill them both, but we don't know at this point.
 
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Azurro

Banned
you really think last of us is realistic game but musclar woman is where you draw the line ok.

it does not offend me however its wrong to post information that is that not backed by single leak especially when theirs lot people lurking on this forum and if no one challenges you on they might take as fact, this how misinformation is spread.

on last point thanks for showing how narrow minded you are.

I already told you, women literally cannot look like that, she needs steroids to have such an unnatural look, it is not inaccurate information.

I mean, the very concept of monster thing Abby is already impossible in the universe of TLOU, where a woman cannot look like that without supplements, steroids and an very curated diet. So, if they already include a fancy, pristine gym with new equipment and I'm sure they have a big farm where they can get all the chicken breast, broccoli to ingest the multiple thousands of calories in the apocalypse, it's not a stretch to assume they have supplements and steroids.

It's curious that the bit that offends you is just the mention of steroids. I'm very open minded, you just need to respect the framework of your own narrative, and Abby sticks out so much in the universe of TLOU that she's basically a parody.
 
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Jayjayhd34

Member
I already told you, women literally cannot look like that, she needs steroids to have such an unnatural look, it is not inaccurate information.

I mean, the very concept of monster thing Abby is already impossible in the universe of TLOU, where a woman cannot look like that without supplements, steroids and an very curated diet. So, if they already include a fancy, pristine gym with new equipment and I'm sure they have a big farm where they can get all the chicken breast, broccoli to ingest the multiple thousands of calories in the apocalypse, it's not a stretch to assume they have supplements and steroids.

It's curious that the bit that offends you is just the mention of steroids. I'm very open minded, you just need to respect the framework of your own narrative, and Abby sticks out so much in the universe of TLOU that she's basically a parody.


I've already stated you've not offended me, again your making assumptions based on no evidence. I was simply asking why your stating things as if they where facts, you've basically admitted these are not facts and these personal assumptions based no evidence, so thank you.
 

Azurro

Banned
I've already stated you've not offended me, again your making assumptions based on no evidence. I was simply asking why your stating things as if they where facts, you've basically admitted these are not facts and these personal assumptions based no evidence, so thank you.

Do you think we'll have more leaks? I want to see where they have the chicken farms and the YEAH BUDDY Ronnie Coleman supplement factory in the game. :D
 

Whitesnake

Banned

Here’s a guy claiming he has a source who knows the ins and outs of ND’s network security regarding games in development, he goes into detail about it.

Could be BS, but I thought it was interesting.
 
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