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[Kokoloko85]

Well, my point is over first party titles.

The PS4 Pro is just a buffed up OG PS4, the difference is not big.

While the Xbox X has quite the difference compared to the S, and even with better resolution and other technical aspects, in my opinion, no MS game looks better than GoW, for example.

In other words, in the art department: Sony studios>>>>MS.

Made a big difference for some games from OG PS4 to Pro. God of war, Kingdom hearts 3, Nioh all felt better on pro by alot for me. Totally changed the experience for me

 

[01011001]

PS5 will be the only one with true next gen games this and next year and thats all that matters.

I dont think we’ll see an xbox next gen exclusive till start of 2022, end of 2021

uhm...

 

[MasterCornholio]

i bet on games with at least 2 years of dev with final dev kits.

You don't need to wait 2 years for next gen visuals.

 

[Kokoloko85]

uhm...

OK Pretty sure xbox themselves said thre only doing cross gen for the first year. Must have changed there mind or i read it wrong
pretty shitty for the people that paid 499+ for a console 3 years ago.

 

[martino]

You don't need to wait 2 years for next gen visuals.

for games really optimized and made for next gen hardware you will.
and cross gen games will have next gen visuals.

 

[Pallas]

The XsX doesn’t have a fast enough SSD for innovation too?

Why is it so popular to pretend like the XsX doesn’t have a generational leap in storage bandwidth too?

This bugs me so much, yes the PS5 is going to be crazy fast but let’s not pretend the series X has no innovation or customization either. I think the SSD card slot alone was a brilliant move by them and I think when these bad boys roll out, they will both be crazy fast, the PS5 being a bit crazier but it no way diminishes what the series x can accomplish, I mean shit we are lucky to get SSD’s to began with, but these speeds are going to be crazy, truly generational leap compare to this gen.

 

[MasterCornholio]

for games really optimized and made for next gen hardware you will.
and cross gen games will have next gen visuals.

If those games are just 4K current gen games then I don't consider them next gen. I don't believe we will be stick with that situation for the next two years.

 

[RCU005]

the medium for example is 3rd party game that will be next gen only, no xbone version, and I am assuming more games like this will come soon (and this is via deal that developer made with ms, so can we please stop this fud that all games on xbsex will be back compatible with xbone?)

Well, third party games that are exclusive to XBX it's a given, although maybe in the minority. Expect some third party exclusives to PS5 and or XBX, too. Maybe Medium will come to PS5?

However, for first party titles, Microsoft stance is to develop games for both Xbox One and XSX and use their "smart delivery" (which is basically Sony's cross-buy), to entice gamers.

Sony's stance is to make games for PS5 exclusively to make people want to buy the new console ASAP. Will ALL their first party titles be PS5 only? Maybe not, but 90% will be.

 

[AlexxKidd]

OK Pretty sure xbox themselves said thre only doing cross gen for the first year. Must have changed there mind or i read it wrong
pretty shitty for the people that paid 499+ for a console 3 years ago.

Xbox Game Studios are only doing cross-gen games for the next 1 to 2 years. The Medium is by a third party developer called Bloober Team.

 

[RespawnX]

I remember they mentioned that a flash game could be possible due to the new I/O system.

Another really cool application would be light speed travel in a massive universe. Kind of like No Man's Sky but without the loading.

You don't need marketing I/O system, just a simple SSD with 1/10 Speed of Sonys NVMe. In Star Citizen you can travel with around 20% light speed and move in a sun system with 1/10 size of our sun system. Plenty of room to do a lot of things. Problem is, it's hard to fill such a space with assets, not even talking activities. Theoretical peak performance means shit, if you can't use ist. And yes, you can swap RAM full of textures in 2s. But from where? Both, XsX and PS5 have ridiculous small storage if you want to provide games with several 100 gbs of high quality assets. Despite that both console will run out of computing power much earlier.

 

[martino]

If those games are just 4K current gen games then I don't consider them next gen. I don't believe we will be stick with that situation for the next two years.

like it or not but existing game desing with more detail and effect will be enough to gpu bound next gen consoles.
if a studio choose to do that they are still doing a next game.
i known the narrative of some here is trying to say next gen is only something nobody really know what it is but ssd related in hope it will be only possible on ps5 but it's not only thing.
doing all those existing game design with more power even if it don't use that much or at all the ssd will be next gen games.

 

[01011001]

OK Pretty sure xbox themselves said thre only doing cross gen for the first year. Must have changed there mind or i read it wrong
pretty shitty for the people that paid 499+ for a console 3 years ago.

typical fanboy bullshit again.
first it is shit that they supposedly have no next gen exclusive games. then I point out a next gen exclusive game and now it is bad that there are next gen exclusive games.

 

[Sethbacca]

OK Pretty sure xbox themselves said thre only doing cross gen for the first year. Must have changed there mind or i read it wrong
pretty shitty for the people that paid 499+ for a console 3 years ago.

That's how console generations have literally always worked. If you buy a console late in it's lifecycle and complain because you only get 3 years of support that's your fault. Every single generation has only lasted 6-7 years.

 

[Journey]

I still don't understand why graphics are so important. Sure, the games look nice and all, but it's really the gameplay and story that hooks. Not the looks.

You keep skipping the Memo

Memo 1
PS4 1.84 TF
Xbox One 1.31 TF

Memo 2
Xbox Series X = 12.155 TF
PS5 = 10.28 TF

Memo 3
Xbox first party games will support cross gen play...


So... PS5 will have the best looking games next gen for the first year(s)

 

[Gamernyc78]

Psv in regards to exclusives were always going to have the majority of the best looking games regardless of Microsoft's policy. Every gen Sony first party devs pass tht graphical benchmark amongst eachother with Rockstar also joining that party and disrupting it. Naughty, Sony, Guerilla, Sucker, etc just are on another level.

 

[TBiddy]

Psv in regards to exclusives were always going to have the majority of the best looking games regardless of Microsoft's policy. Every gen Sony first party devs pass tht graphical benchmark amongst eachother with Rockstar also joining that party and disrupting it. Naughty, Sony, Guerilla, Sucker, etc just are on another level.

I love how you completely disregard one of the finest looking games of the entire generation, just because it's on the wrong console. It's quite telling.

 

[Paulxo87]

The best looking games will be Sony exclusives on PS5. There are going to be people shitting in their underwear once Horizon 2 is revealed

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

The best looking games will be Sony exclusives on PS5. There are going to be people shitting in their underwear once Horizon 2 is revealed

What if they wear diapers instead?

lol

I hope a game is so good looking that I soii myself. I don't think that is gonna happen, but it will be a good problem to have. I will have my diapers ready for the PS5 reveal just in case.

 

[CatLady]

uhm...

The developers of Scorn, that cool H.R. Giger looking game, have stated it is also exclusive to XsX.

 

[Vitter.]

What changes isn't the game design but the way you implement and optimize your game. Are we gonna pretend highly detailed seamless open world games haven't existed for years? You usually need smart use of the RAM to be able to implement those in a playble manner. From what i gather, SSD's will allow developers to be 'lazier' about it and consequently cut development time.
As i said before, those advances are good for reducing work for the developers, which is great news in a industry plagued by crunch.

That take about improved tech only giving room for lazyness is not that hot, not in a competitive and pro enviroment at least.

 

[Guilty_AI]

That take about improved tech only giving room for lazyness is not that hot, not in a competitive and pro enviroment at least.

Cutting development time is something completely pro-competitiveness and pro-enviroment you know.

 

[CatLady]

I love how you completely disregard one of the finest looking games of the entire generation, just because it's on the wrong console. It's quite telling.

I love how he always states his opinions as absolute, indisputable facts.

 

[MilkyJoe]

No prob dad It's not worth getting in a pissing match over, we will see in a month or two where everything falls.

We will

 

[V2Tommy]

Can we please stop starting thread with “So...”

You all sound like neckbeard ingrates.

 

[CobraXT]

they couldn't because their engine wasn't made for it not because of HDD speeds.
how do you explain that GTA 5 allows you to fly across the map in a Jet on the same hardware? or JustCause 4?

GTA5 is a ps3 game .. i am sure a ps4 game is much more data hungry .. jc4 dosn't look as half as good as horizon ..

 

[Craig of War]

The developers of Scorn, that cool H.R. Giger looking game, have stated it is also exclusive to XsX.

Yeah Scorn looks good to me look like a mix of Doom and Alien gone to play that on my Windows PC for sure

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Xbox Game Studios are only doing cross-gen games for the next 1 to 2 years. The Medium is by a third party developer called Bloober Team.

Idk why people always seem so confused on this.

November of 2019: our games for the next one to two years will work on both current and next gen consoles.

So at maximum, until November of 2021. One year from launch. Or for all we know it could just be launch games

People make a big deal about it when it is only affecting launch window games and those are rarely ever mind blowing experiences that push the hardware anyway.

All the talk about PS5 having “true next gen” exclusives to start, I’m betting they’ll play like pretty versions of current gen games.

 

[D.Final]

We need to see the First party AAA exclusive

 

[SoloKingRobert]

Microsoft is aiming for Graphics and Performance at 60fps minimum. Sony's policy seems to be Graphics, probably 30fps.

 

[Stuart360]

All the 'no XSX first party exclusive for the first 1-2 years talk' is so overblown. We are talking what, 5 or 6 games?, maybe 7 or 8 if its a full 2 years?. Does it really matter?, especially when those 7 or 8 games will probably be 4k/60 with updated effects, textures, maybe ray tracing etc.

 

[Kagey K]

OK Pretty sure xbox themselves said thre only doing cross gen for the first year. Must have changed there mind or i read it wrong
pretty shitty for the people that paid 499+ for a console 3 years ago.

You should have probably stopped there.

 

[GametimeUK]

Just because a game can also run on older hardware it doesn't necessarily mean it's visuals are compromised on the more powerful machine. We have The Witcher 3 running on Switch hardware which pretty much says it all.

 

[D.Final]

Microsoft is aiming for Graphics and Performance at 60fps minimum. Sony's policy seems to be Graphics, probably 30fps.

Let's them fight - cit

 

[D.Final]

Just because a game can also run on older hardware it doesn't necessarily mean it's visuals are compromised on the more powerful machine. We have The Witcher 3 running on Switch hardware which pretty much says it all.

Also, true this.
With hight compromise

 

[Kokoloko85]

You should have probably stopped there.

Still doubt ms will launch any next gen xbox exclusives.. 1 game isnt really a good thing lol

 

[D.Final]

Still doubt ms will launch any next gen xbox exclusives.. 1 game isnt really a good thing lol

Probably even Sony will go DayOne with PS5, with just one exclusive game

 

[Kokoloko85]

Probably even Sony will go DayOne with PS5, with just one exclusive game

I think they will have at least 3 and have more announced for the future

 

[Esppiral]

Reading these threads is like if the PS5 won't have cross gen titles like de XSX witch is funny.

 

[Shmunter]

Arguably PS4 has better looking games than what’s been shown of on XsX thus far. Not the fault of the hardware obviously, just B tier cross gen fillers thus far.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Horizon Zero Dawn will no longer be exclusive when it comes to PC YET.
IT will Look and play better on PC which is the exact opposite of your premise YET we can all say without even seeing it that the above statement will be true.
But for the XBSX this can only mean a bad thing.
The false premise that XBSX games being on PC and Xbox one thus the games would not look as good or better then PS5 with more power under the hood is such a trash argument/premise / intentional slight it's really ridiculous.

The planes in these games were sluggishly slow, like the véhicules in the far cry games and the motorcycle in days gone. All problems in great part caused by slow loading speeds (if you don't want N64 textures, those load pretty fast).

OK Pretty sure xbox themselves said thre only doing cross gen for the first year. Must have changed there mind or i read it wrong
pretty shitty for the people that paid 499+ for a console 3 years ago.

- True next gen games is what we get new consoles for, everything else is a sideshow, so complaining that some games aren't on the X is not gonna do anyone any good.
- This game is third party.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Reading these threads is like if the PS5 won't have cross gen titles like de XSX witch is funny.

- PS5 will have cross gen titles
- PS5 will have next gen titles, the question is how "next-gen" will they feel?

 

[ResilientBanana]

You keep skipping the Memo

Memo 1
PS4 1.84 TF
Xbox One 1.31 TF

Memo 2
Xbox Series X = 12.155 TF
PS5 = 10.28 TF

Memo 3
Xbox first party games will support cross gen play...


So... PS5 will have the best looking games next gen for the first year(s)

That’s not a fact.

 

[Shmunter]

Horizon Zero Dawn will no longer be exclusive when it comes to PC YET.
IT will Look and play better on PC which is the exact opposite of your premise YET we can all say without even seeing it that the above statement will be true.
But for the XBSX this can only mean a bad thing.
The false premise that XBSX games being on PC and Xbox one thus the games would not look as good or better then PS5 with more power under the hood is such a trash argument/premise / intentional slight it's really ridiculous.

If Sony does port Horizon to PC, it would beg to reason they would also do a PS5 patch sharing whatever spit and polish is applied on both. Indeed, the PS5 ssd would give the title increased quality of life on top. Total guess, but not an unreasonable one.

 

[DoctaThompson]

If Sony does port Horizon to PC, it would beg to reason they would also do a PS5 patch sharing whatever spit and polish is applied on both. Indeed, the PS5 ssd would give the title increased quality of life on top. Total guess, but not an unreasonable one.

If Sony ports horizon to PC?! Dude, it's been confirmed several times. It's not a matter IF it's coming out. Ps5's ssd won't be a saving grace for the game, as it'll still look and play better on PC. And that is not a guess or speculation, but a fact.

 

[martino]

If Sony ports horizon to PC?! Dude, it's been confirmed several times. It's not a matter IF it's coming out. Ps5's ssd won't be a saving grace for the game, as it'll still look and play better on PC. And that is not a guess or speculation, but a fact.

we don't know that it's possible sony don't that to happen (at least not directly from them, the community will still make it happen)

 

[Shmunter]

If Sony ports horizon to PC?! Dude, it's been confirmed several times. It's not a matter IF it's coming out. Ps5's ssd won't be a saving grace for the game, as it'll still look and play better on PC. And that is not a guess or speculation, but a fact.

Actually AAA PC gaming days are numbered. The ssd standard will make development too easy to ignore and pc has no answers for this. No matter how fast a pc ssd, it’s the bespoke console i/o pipeline that is just too intense should it saturate current gen PC CPU’s getting the data into ram.

I know it can be hard to accept, but sadly facts don’t care about your feelings, you feel me?

But PC should be ok with last gen ports for awhile yet so don’t lose hope. By then maybe gfx cards will come with ssd onboard.

 

[Stuart360]

Actually PC days a numbered. The ssd standard will make development too easy to ignore and pc has no answers for this. No matter how with fast pc ssd, it’s the bespoke console i/o pipeline that is just too intense should it saturate current gen PC CPU’s getting the data into ram.

I know it can be hard to accept, but sadly facts don’t care about your feelings, you feel me?

But PC should be ok with last gen ports for awhile yet so don’t lose hope. By then maybe gfx cards will come with ssd onboard.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Actually PC days a numbered. The ssd standard will make development too easy to ignore and pc has no answers for this. No matter how with fast pc ssd, it’s the bespoke console i/o pipeline that is just too intense should it saturate current gen PC CPU’s getting the data into ram.

I know it can be hard to accept, but sadly facts don’t care about your feelings, you feel me?

But PC should be ok with last gen ports for awhile yet so don’t lose hope. By then maybe gfx cards will come with ssd onboard.

Lmao! You can't be serious are you?! Lol!!

Have you noticed no companies are advertising "magical ssd's" for pc? Now would be the perfect time, as you can't find anything related to consoles that DON'T mention the SSD. Manufactures could make a killing selling these "magical SSD's" to clueless ppl with similar mindsets.

I'll give you a hint why it's not happening, and won't be happening. Games coming out for ps5 and xsx won't affect pc at all. PC's don't have shortcuts taken to make it work, or feature subsidized hardware. They aren't limited to a single pipeline of bandwidth for the entirety of the platform, unlike consoles. Until you can understand these basic facts, you'll forever be shilling for Sony. Maybe you'll believe it when you realize both xbsx and pc have the best performance on 3rd party games. Not because of SSD, but better hardware.

Can't forget to mention more ps5 exclusives will release on PC as well. When those also perform better, what will your excuse be them?

 

[Shmunter]

Lmao! You can't be serious are you?! Lol!!

Have you noticed no companies are advertising "magical ssd's" for pc? Now would be the perfect time, as you can't find anything related to consoles that DON'T mention the SSD. Manufactures could make a killing selling these "magical SSD's" to clueless ppl with similar mindsets.

I'll give you a hint why it's not happening, and won't be happening. Games coming out for ps5 and xsx won't affect pc at all. PC's don't have shortcuts taken to make it work, or feature subsidized hardware. They aren't limited to a single pipeline of bandwidth for the entirely of the platform, unlike consoles. Until you can understand these basic facts, you'll forever be shilling for Sony. Maybe you'll believe it when you realize both xbsx and pc have the best performance on 3rd party games. Not because of SSD, but better hardware.

Can't forget to mention more ps5 exclusives will release on PC as well. When those also perform better, what will you're excuse be them?

Angry, angry young man. Hit me up again when the reality arrives, I’ll appreciate it.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Angry, angry young man. Hit me up again when the reality arrives, I’ll appreciate it.

Lol so you actually believe that?! Hahaha! So many have disproven your speculations in many other threads, yet you still spread b.s. as facts. Why would anyone want a gpu with an SSD on it for gaming? I could understand for movie studios, but not gaming. I'll take vram over a SSD all day, every day, for my gpu's. YOU simply mentioning that proves to me you don't understand how any of this works. I'll just let Digital Foundry rip you a new one when consoles release.

Spoiler: Here's the kicker

The same games you were trolling for Microsoft's show the other day, feature the better looking 3rd party games than what will be on ps5. A faster SSD can't help them there either.