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[Stuart360]

I am not debating about the man power between developers, and I am not comparing Biomutant to R&C: it would be stupid, at best.

But I see your point: by his reply I assumed that he was giving 6/10 to R&C (hence my reply) but probably meant Biomutant. If it's the later I would have to give my apologies to Stuart360

I was talking about Biomutant obviously.

 

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Not another one!

 

[Garani]

I read it as he thought Biomutant has 6/10 all over it.

(I personally think it's going to end up in the mid 70s)

Yeah, I probably misunderstood.

 

[Kagey K]

I was talking about Biomutant obviously.

I have to say it was nice to see he had the balls to realize he read your post wrong and apologize for it.

So many people refuse to do that and just dig in harder.

+1 respect Garani

 

[Garani]

I was talking about Biomutant obviously.

In this case, please accept my apologies.

 

[assurdum]

So the BC tools on the PS5 aren't as great as the BC tools as the Series X


Tools matter, but only when it favors your preferred narrative

It's not BC tools. It's tools and yes low API architecture can't work well as virtual coded environment for cross/past gen titles. But I thought it was obvious from awhile. Obviously pretend a bit of objectivity by people like you is ask too much.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

The question is what are people going to cling to when all these "new" cross-gen games dry up? Going in to next year pretty much all the games will be next gen only and all this chest pumping about BC becomes largely forgotten.

By the time we're purely next-gen, devs will become familiar with the GDK and the Tower of Power will shine bright in its fully glory.

 

[Negotiator101]

Apparently last gen game in BC mode is considered "vindication" by some.

yeah....I dunno

So what's the problem with BC on PS5?

 

[TBiddy]

It’s getting embarrassing now the straws the clowns are grasping over this to carry on the pathetic console war, while having the balls to complain about others.

I love the irony of this post.

 

[Kagey K]

So what's the problem with BC on PS5?

It's hilarious to me new games can't just be new games, we have to make this distinction, because reasons.

I guess this is where believing in generations works for or against you.

 

[assurdum]

So what's the problem with BC on PS5?

Hardware BC? Hello?

 

[assurdum]

By the time we're purely next-gen, devs will become familiar with the GDK and the Tower of Power will shine bright in its fully glory.

It's not like a low API architecture will shine less when devs will become more familiar with it.

 

[Kagey K]

Hardware BC? Hello?

Except it's not really hardware bc. It's how they programmed it to work, that is causing the issues.

They didn't stuff a ps4 inside the ps5. It's all software.

 

[Arun1910]

Fail to see how this is Sonys fault.

I've not seen any other developer have that much of an issue getting something close to 4K.

 

[The Hamburglar]

I love the irony of this post.

Really? I’ll be the first to admit the series x due to the superior BC solution will always out perform ps5 on last gen games.

It’s nothing to do with a better built machine or superior gpu outperforming. The fact someone apparently feels ‘vindicated’ because series x is beating ps5 in a last gen game in BC is one of the saddest things I’ve read on here.

 

[Stuart360]

I love the irony of this post.

Check the first page of his post history for an ironic laugh.

 

[Kagey K]

Fail to see how this is Sonys fault.

I've not seen any other developer have that much of an issue getting something close to 4K.

Every other cross hen game that had been released has been issue free.

Only this developer has had problems?

 

[Kagey K]

Check the first page of his post history for an ironic laugh.

I love how they cry about bc and retro games on games releasing in 2021.

Like these are new games filling out the library of games playable, new this year.

Yet they want to dismiss them and say there is nothing to play.

 

[Stuart360]

I love how they cry about bc and retro games on games releasing in 2021.

Like these are new games filling out the library of games playable, new this year.

Yet they want to dismiss them and say there is nothing to play.

I think we should just call these games 'none native' games or something. People keep saying BC games which makes you think an older game, but a lot of these games are brand new releases.

 

[Kagey K]

Really? I’ll be the first to admit the series x due to the superior BC solution will always out perform ps5 on last gen games.

It’s nothing to do with a better built machine or superior gpu outperforming. The fact someone apparently feels ‘vindicated’ because series x is beating ps5 in a last gen game in BC is one of the saddest things I’ve read on here.

It might be the second saddest thing.

The only thing sadder is people pretending new games are old and not worth playing, even if they just came out this week. (Or haven't even released yet)

 

[Arun1910]

Every other cross hen game that had been released has been issue free.

Only this developer has had problems?

Yeah it's this devs issue.

GAF is so weird. Sees one issue for a game and apparently its the platform. Devs are supposed to be able to optimization regardless of platform. This is embarrassing for them.

 

[Kagey K]

I think we should just call these games 'none native' games or something. People keep saying BC games which makes you think an older game, but a lot of these games are brand new releases.

I just call them games?

And if they came out recently I call them new releases.



It's worked for almost 40 years already, why change it now?

 

[Stuart360]

I just call them games?

And if they came out recently I call them new releases.



It's worked for almost 40 years already, why change it now?

Plus Biomutant vs say Tony Hawk. One is a none native game, the other is a native current gen game. Whats the difference though?, they are still last gen games at their core.
Yet we are 'allowed' to discuss the merits of Tony Hawk remaster on XSX and PS5, but not Biomutant, or Mass Effect, etc.
Plus what difference does it make anyway?, arent these threads about which version is the best so the user has an idea of which version to get, not 'why' one is better or worse than the other one.

Just fanboy nonsense.

 

[TBiddy]

Check the first page of his post history for an ironic laugh.

That's what I mean.

 

[Kagey K]

Plus Biomutant vs say Tonay Hawk. One is a none native game, the other is a native current gen game. Whats the difference though?, they are still last gen games at their core.
Yet we are 'allowed' to discuss the merits of Tony Hawk remaster on XSX and PS5, but not Biomutant, or Mass Effect, etc.
Plus what difference does it make anyway?, arent these threads about which version is the best so the user has an idea of which version to get, not 'why' one is better or worse than the other one.

Just fanboy nonsense.

Lol Tony Hawk is PS1 at its core. Mass Effect is only 360, and newer than Demon Souls, but only one of those games were called retro.

Wonder why.

Yet only

 

[assurdum]

Except it's not really hardware bc. It's how they programmed it to work, that is causing the issues.

They didn't stuff a ps4 inside the ps5. It's all software.

It's tied to the hardware frequency, how is not hardware involved?

 

[Krizalidx11]

Imagine paying 70$ on PS5 and playing 1080p while gamepass gives you the game free !!!

 

[Kagey K]

It's tied to the hardware frequency, how is not hardware involved?

Because they didn't stuff a ps4 into the ps5.

It's software.

This isn't that difficult.

Ps3 bc was literally a ps2 tied into the hardware that's why they cut it

It's not the same now that they are on x86 chips.

 

[assurdum]

Plus Biomutant vs say Tony Hawk. One is a none native game, the other is a native current gen game. Whats the difference though?, they are still last gen games at their core.
Yet we are 'allowed' to discuss the merits of Tony Hawk remaster on XSX and PS5, but not Biomutant, or Mass Effect, etc.
Plus what difference does it make anyway?, arent these threads about which version is the best so the user has an idea of which version to get, not 'why' one is better or worse than the other one.

Just fanboy nonsense.

Just to say, but developer claimed they have problem to achieve higher resolution because it was coded on ps4. We can discuss about it of course, but doubt the brute force on series X is the right argument.

 

[pasterpl]

Another game where Xbox series x is the best console platform to play it on, with mass effect recently being the same, this starts to look like a trend.

 

[assurdum]

Because they didn't stuff a ps4 into the ps5.

It's software.

This isn't that difficult.

Ps3 bc was literally a ps2 tied into the hardware that's why they cut it

It's not the same now that they are on x86 chips.

Again why if it's just software they need to put the same frequency in the cpu/gpu with the same cu counts to make it works? It's not exactly 'just' software.

 

[Stuart360]

Just to say, but developer claimed they have problem to achieve higher resolution because it was coded on ps4. We can discuss about it of course, but doubt the brute force on series X is the right argument.

Thats fine but whats that got to do with which version is the best, and which version users should go for?.

 

[assurdum]

Another game where Xbox series x is the best console platform to play it on, with mass effect recently being the same, this starts to look like a trend.

Would be cool if some of you starts to put some valid argumentation indeed to talk as a MS pr every single time. They are all BC games, of course series X is better in such stuff.

 

[The Hamburglar]

Check the first page of his post history for an ironic laugh.

The irony of you calling someone a fan boy would make magneto cum.

I love how they cry about bc and retro games on games releasing in 2021.

Like these are new games filling out the library of games playable, new this year.

Yet they want to dismiss them and say there is nothing to play.

It might be the second saddest thing.

The only thing sadder is people pretending new games are old and not worth playing, even if they just came out this week. (Or haven't even released yet)

You’re right we should stop calling them BC games, it’s obvious I meant and people meant games running in BC mode (which they are) so no need to be an idiot about it. And nobody is complaining about old games, you’re just trying to deflect from what is actually being said. Comparing old games or new games running in BC mode.

But we will use non native versions since BC is hurting your brain. And did I say That new games are old and not worth playing? Stop making stuff up.

 

[MrLove]

Technial last gen average in best case. Ratchet and Clank looks at least 5 times better with RT, but that is not the problem from Biomutant. The gameplay...no more desire

 

[DonJorginho]

Imagine paying 70$ on PS5 and playing 1080p while gamepass gives you the game free !!!

These aren't native PS5/XSX ports mate, this is the PS4 Pro version running in BC and the X1X version running in BC Mode.

It was always clear Sony would lose out in these scenarios for the most part as Xbox are the Kings of Backwards Compatibility, but I'd reserve judgement for post launch once the devs figure this out, as well as seeing how the true native current gen versions look.

 

[assurdum]

Thats fine but whats that got to do with which version is the best, and which version users should go for?.

Wait a minute so you are say we shouldn't talk about the fact developer are looking to fix it on ps5, but just praise the obvious (4k is better than 1080p)?

 

[Krizalidx11]

These aren't native PS5/XSX ports mate, this is the PS4 Pro version running in BC and the X1X version running in BC Mode.

It was always clear Sony would lose out in these scenarios for the most part as Xbox are the Kings of Backwards Compatibility, but I'd reserve judgement for post launch once the devs figure this out, as well as seeing how the true native current gen versions look.

There will be at a later date

 

[Stuart360]

Wait a minute so you are say we shouldn't talk about the fact developer are looking to fix it on ps5, but just praise the obvious (4k is better than 1080p)?

Its not about praising anything. These threads, at the start anyway, were to give users an informed choice of which version to go for. They may be 99% used for console warring now, but thats besides the point.

 

[skakmk]

Why not make the series S port run at 1080P 60fps?

 

[assurdum]

Its not about praising anything. These threads, at the start anyway, were to give users an informed choice of which version to go for. They may be 99% used for console warring now, but thats besides the point.

It's a thread about tech aspect. Of course it's normal to discuss what it's the cause of the framebuffer choice. I don't undertand what are you trying to argue there.

 

[Kagey K]

Again why if it's just software they need to put the same frequency in the cpu/gpu with the same cu counts to make it works? It's not exactly 'just' software.

Because they are worried if they just open it up it will break a lot of games, so they went the conservative route instead.

The irony of you calling someone a fan boy would make magneto cum.





You’re right we should stop calling them BC games, it’s obvious I meant and people meant games running in BC mode (which they are) so no need to be an idiot about it. And nobody is complaining about old games, you’re just trying to deflect from what is actually being said. Comparing old games or new games running in BC mode.

But we will use non native versions since BC is hurting your brain. And did I say I am new games are old and not worth playing? Stop making stuff up.

Its not my fault Sony chose a shitty route for next gen upgrades. (Or how to serve cross gen games)

Yet you always throw the blame on the game, instead of the company who's rules they have to play by.

Perhaps you should redirect your ambition a bit, and you could get satisfactory cross gen (non native) games.

 

[VisualFidelity]

Native current gen ports or BC enhanced ports, Xbox Series X has been winning just about every battle vs PS5 this year and its time it gets the credit it deserves.

 

[DonJorginho]

There will be at a later date

I know mate, and that version will *hopefully* be better.

Both ports aren't that great anyway tbh, even on the XSX there are serious levels of pop-in and jagged geometry, hoping the devs can resolve these aspects of the game by the time the upgrade comes around (that will hopefully be free to all owners of the game!)

 

[whyman]

The Xbox Series X new tools are so amazing that it's breaking PS5 ports.

In all seriousness, I was looking forward to this game but then I found out it has*throws up a little* level scaling.

WHAT? FFS no! Why does Devs do this? If I want to grind and be overpowered let me!

 

[Jokerevo]

Another game where Xbox series x is the best console platform to play it on, with mass effect recently being the same, this starts to look like a trend.

If you like playing last-gen stuff

If you like being outsold 2:1.

I mean Xbox was the best platform last gen right? Couldn't even finish 2nd.

It's all about the games so no Biomutant isn't exactly going to make a ripple is it? The mainstream, who barely notice any of this garbage we argue about, will just want to play the game on whatever platform they prefer. As a former 360 owner I just wish MS would get on with it and give us a AAA exclusive. Not something that's on PC either.

 

[bellome]

Will they eventually release a PS5 boxed version of this game?

 

[assurdum]

Because they are worried if they just open it up it will break a lot of games, so they went the conservative route instead.

Its not my fault Sony chose a shitty route for next gen upgrades. (Or how to serve cross gen games)

Yet you always throw the blame on the game, instead of the company who's rules they have to play by.

Perhaps you should redirect your ambition a bit, and you could get satisfactory cross gen (non native) games.

I'm not to want to persist but the BC (or whatever you want to name it) it's quite inaccurate define it on ps5 purely software anyway.

 

[GymWolf]

Not a warrior simply pointing out the difference in developer prowess.

Yeah because a comparison between an indie studios with less than 20 people and a juggernaut like insomniac with sony money behind is not something a warrior would ever do...

 

[ZywyPL]

Another game where Xbox series x is the best console platform to play it on, with mass effect recently being the same, this starts to look like a trend.

I think Sony, whether they like it or not, needs to put more effort into their BC, because realistically cross-gen/BC titles will be the vast majority of games in the next 2-3 years, so throughout half of the generation, so if the trend continues it'll put them in a really bad spot, they can't even bump the resolution in their own 1st party titles to begin with (which is most likely the reason they don't want to patch older titles that haven't receive a Pro patch). This extra work would not only help them now but also years later when PS6 arrives.