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Microsoft Flight Simulator: Performance Review Series X vs Series S | IGN feat. NXGamer

The XSS will always have disadvantages when it comes to graphics.
Mostly not being 4K. There are some titles with other slight differences in frame rate and other things. This is the first one that looks substantially different. We'll see more examples of substantial differences further into the gen, but actually Series S has been handling most things well enough so far.
 
Mostly not being 4K. There are some titles with other slight differences in frame rate and other things. This is the first one that looks substantially different. We'll see more examples of substantial differences further into the gen, but actually Series S has been handling most things well enough so far.
Perhaps. It will come down to using things like SFS to mitigate lower RAM on the XSS. Running games by simply dumping all assets into RAM running it from there will always be the biggest weakness of the XSS. Luckily that weakness has a solution if developers choose to use it.
 

dcmk7

Banned
Is it? You mean to tell me that paying $200 less for a device results in reduced graphical detail? I too am shocked! Wow!
That's quite a difference.

Looking at that picture alone and if someone came in ignorantly and without any context they would be excused to think they were looking at a cross generation comparison. Or some remaster analysis. But I'm guessing it's not looking like that most of the time?

You have a Series S right, I'm guessing it doesn't?

Luckily that weakness has a solution if developers choose to use it.
How do you know they didn't? Has there been any technical release notes?

With the extra time the developers had to optimise for consoles I'm sure they would have at least explored all the available options.
 
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elliot5

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That's quite a difference.

Looking at that picture alone and if someone came in ignorantly and without any context they would be excused to think they were looking at a cross generation comparison. Or some remaster analysis. But I'm guessing it's not looking like that most of the time?

You have a Series S right, I'm guessing it doesn't?


How do you know they didn't? Has there been any technical release notes?

With the extra time the developers had to optimise for consoles I'm sure they would have at least explored all the available options.
I think Darkmage is referring to SFS being used in other titles as a means of optimization. SFS likely doesn't matter much in Flight Sim because the RAM is being eaten up by data for weather, map placement, LODs, etc. Stuff that texture optimization wouldn't help much with. Obviously it sticks out in a 400% zoom, but in motion Series S is very formidable and even more stable FPS wise than Series X. I think it looks great even with some extra pop in and lower LOD detail. It's really only drastic in the dense urban areas like NYC.
 

skit_data

Member
Please point out when anyone MS or otherwise said the ONLY difference between the XSS and XSX would be resolution. Why be disingenuous over the value console?
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Yes, nothing good to say so you make a meme of it.

You already lost the argument 😂 Shit, you need meds for this place dealing with idiots like you man.

I think he has the system and has been mostly writing good things about it.

It was just an observation and not a snarky comment like some others here.

That's what I think anyways.
 

skit_data

Member
Now watch him defend this shit in 3...2...1.
One could argue the semantics around what defines the words ”same experience” but I’ve seen and heard enough that I personally think that the initial marketing was misleading.

I was interested in getting Series S as a secondary console before launch when I was under the impression that resolution would be the one and only cutback and I remember people reassuring the skeptics that the cutbacks would only affect resolution because thats the way it was engineered.

Now I’m no longer interested in the Series S because time and time again we see other graphical features like draw distance and LOD being impacted on top of the lower resolution.
 

Md Ray

Member
One could argue the semantics around what defines the words ”same experience” but I’ve seen and heard enough that I personally think that the initial marketing was misleading.

I was interested in getting Series S as a secondary console before launch when I was under the impression that resolution would be the one and only cutback and I remember people reassuring the skeptics that the cutbacks would only affect resolution because thats the way it was engineered.

Now I’m no longer interested in the Series S because time and time again we see other graphical features like draw distance and LOD being impacted on top of the lower resolution.
Agreed. Plus, the omission of ray tracing in some and missing 120fps mode in others.
 
I think he has the system and has been mostly writing good things about it.

It was just an observation and not a snarky comment like some others here.

That's what I think anyways.
That aside, it was a terrible observation when not compared to the value of the thing.

It would be like criticising a Fiat Panda because it isn’t as fast as a Ferrari. Totally stupid, and not even worth uttering really.
 

Chukhopops

Member
It's a fair statement considering the console warring over this title. That Ratchet & Clank thread saying it was the best looking next gen game after this released was just a shitshow.

In my opinion flight simulator is simultaneously the most beautiful game and most boring game on Xbox consoles right now. if it had some dogfights or something maybe it would be fun. But seriously, it's about as exciting as looking out of your commercial flight window seat view flying over pretty much anything. Who cares if there are frame dips? You can't see them because you're not doing anything but watching the background scroll beneath your plane or watching gauges in your cockpit.
I think if you’re a reviewer you can’t use the genre of a game as a flaw just because you don’t enjoy the genre. If you review Football Manager you have to work under the assumption that you enjoy football and management and base your review on that. If you review Crusader Kings you have to assume that you like the Grand Strategy genre, etc. Reviewing Flight Sim and saying there are no dogfights or anything other than a simulation is disingenuous imo (unless the game was somehow misleading you into thinking there would be).

Therefore this YouTube dude is in my humble opinion full of shit.
 

Md Ray

Member
The amount of semantics arguing in that PC gen thread you did, but you won't allow others to do it?
What does that have to do with MS's misleading Series S marketing? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

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If you didn't like my posts in that thread, then feel free to dispute them in that thread.

You know, even Rich from DF criticized more than once and said he had problems with MS' SS marketing in their DF weekly.
 
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That's quite a difference.

Looking at that picture alone and if someone came in ignorantly and without any context they would be excused to think they were looking at a cross generation comparison. Or some remaster analysis. But I'm guessing it's not looking like that most of the time?

You have a Series S right, I'm guessing it doesn't?


How do you know they didn't? Has there been any technical release notes?

With the extra time the developers had to optimise for consoles I'm sure they would have at least explored all the available options.
People don't have multiple Xboxes connected to the same television and bounce between to see the differences between the same game running. People who own the XSS actually are most concerned about the cost and that it plays all current generation games. Those customers want value not the highest quality graphics.

Do you have any evidence that the XSS isn't capable or running current gen games? You seem to be pretty concerned about XSS performance did you notice these things when you fired up your XSS?

First off Jason Ronald didn't say the only difference was resolution so that is a lie. Second the XSS IS delivering the same core experience. The core experience on the Xbox is things like SSD fast loading, Quick Resume, and FPS boost. XSS has all of those features minus the blu-ray drive. Third resolution is tied to graphics and no one has serious argued the XSS would not have compromises in graphics.

Are you honestly trying to argue that playing Flight Simulator on the XSS is completely different than playing it on the XSX? It's the same experience at reduced graphical settings. It's doing that for $300. I continue to ask people to name another console or $300 PC that offers better graphics. Why are you so concerned about graphics, the thing they stated would be reduced, on the cheapest console? Were you concerned about more expensive consoles that fail to reach 4K?

What does that have to do with MS's misleading marketing? :messenger_tears_of_joy:
What did they mislead you on? What did they say their consoles would do and that it doesn't?
 
What does that have to do with MS's misleading Series S marketing? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

EDIT:
If you didn't like my posts in that thread, then feel free to dispute them in that thread.

You know, even Rich from DF criticized more than once and said he had problems with MS' SS marketing in their DF weekly.

You shits know what op means but are just being semantic douches.
 

Riky

$MSFT
People don't have multiple Xboxes connected to the same television and bounce between to see the differences between the same game running. People who own the XSS actually are most concerned about the cost and that it plays all current generation games. Those customers want value not the highest quality graphics.

Do you have any evidence that the XSS isn't capable or running current gen games? You seem to be pretty concerned about XSS performance did you notice these things when you fired up your XSS?


First off Jason Ronald didn't say the only difference was resolution so that is a lie. Second the XSS IS delivering the same core experience. The core experience on the Xbox is things like SSD fast loading, Quick Resume, and FPS boost. XSS has all of those features minus the blu-ray drive. Third resolution is tied to graphics and no one has serious argued the XSS would not have compromises in graphics.

Are you honestly trying to argue that playing Flight Simulator on the XSS is completely different than playing it on the XSX? It's the same experience at reduced graphical settings. It's doing that for $300. I continue to ask people to name another console or $300 PC that offers better graphics. Why are you so concerned about graphics, the thing they stated would be reduced, on the cheapest console? Were you concerned about more expensive consoles that fail to reach 4K?


What did they mislead you on? What did they say their consoles would do and that it doesn't?

Jason Ronald said clearly in interviews before the consoles even launched that Series S would have to cut back on visual features that didn't affect core gameplay, so the likes of Ray Tracing etc.
I've quoted it several times.
I don't know why the trolls keep saying exactly the same thing in every single thread, we know a 4tflop console can't do everything a 12tflop console can.
At the end of the day Series S with Flight Simulator still has the best looking and highest rated next gen game to date.
 
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Md Ray

Member
What did they mislead you on? What did they say their consoles would do and that it doesn't?
Missing 120fps modes in native apps like Destiny 2, BO Cold War... SX has it, but not SS?

Jason Ronald: "Series S is designed to deliver the same next-gen experience..."

So where's my 120fps next-gen experience on SS in those games?
 
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Missing 120fps modes in native apps like Destiny 2, BO Cold War... SX has it, but not SS?

Jason Ronald: "Series S is designed to deliver the same next-gen experience..."

So where's my 120fps next-gen experience on SS in those games?
Why is 120fps missing from some games on the XSS, the consoles fault? Every developer makes a choice with what features they offer. Just like Gears 5 does have a 120 fps mode and Doom Eternal, and Halo Infinite. Also the XSS has more 120fps games than other more expensive consoles so this isn't a really great point to make. Why don't consoles that cost more offer more games at 120fps than the value console? It is really distressing.
 
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dcmk7

Banned
People who own the XSS actually are most concerned about the cost and that it plays all current generation games. Those customers want value not the highest quality graphics.
The differences are so stark, and like I said previously people could be forgiven to think it's not the same generation of consoles, if they were unaware of the context.

I think quite a portion of XSS owners thought they were getting same experiences but at a lower resolution, certainly don't expect that many would have predicted big bits of scenery will be replaced with an ugly 32bit era textures.

Marketing could have been much clearer.

Also the XSS has more 120fps games than other more expensive consoles so this isn't a really great point to make.

Quantity > Quality? Since when has that ever been a thing in gaming.

Why is 120fps missing from some games on the XSS, the consoles fault.
Whose fault would it be? It would be included otherwise.
 
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Md Ray

Member
Why is 120fps missing from some games on the XSS, the consoles fault? Every developer makes a choice with what features they offer. Just like Gears 5 does have a 120 fps mode and Doom Eternal, and Halo Infinite. Also the XSS has more 120fps games than other more expensive consoles so this isn't a really great point to make. Why don't consoles that cost more offer more games at 120fps than the value console? It is really distressing.
So you agree it was misleading marketing then. Good to know.
 
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Riky

$MSFT
Very likely the Game of the Year for me. Such a masterpiece of a PC port and game. Just amazing. 👏

It's great to see next gen only graphical benchmarks so early in the generation, it will be interesting to see if FH5 can surpass it graphically later this year.
It just looks stunning though, even on Series S.
 
It looks great but it's stuttery as fuck on my X and I'm using VRR monitor with freesync, no other game is like this. Very strange
Depends on location and amount of data it has to stream in. Are you using wired or wireless connection? Flying around Hawaii last night, I was easily getting a nice 60+ fps a lot of times.
 

LostDonkey

Member
Depends on location and amount of data it has to stream in. Are you using wired or wireless connection? Flying around Hawaii last night, I was easily getting a nice 60+ fps a lot of times.
Wired, 250mb connection, Flying around Tokyo was a nightmare of jank.

I don't think I've ever got 60fps, doing the training flights is also very stuttery for me.
 
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Wired, 250mb connection, Flying around Tokyo was a nightmare of jank.

I don't think I've ever got 60fps, doing the training flights is also very stuttery for me.
Thats very odd. So many factors with streaming. How many hops to destination from where your ISP is located, etc. Sorry you're having a bad experience. That blows.
 
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The differences are so stark, and like I said previously people could be forgiven to think it's not the same generation of consoles, if they were unaware of the context.

I think quite a portion of XSS owners thought they were getting same experiences but at a lower resolution, certainly don't expect that many would have predicted big bits of scenery will be replaced with an ugly 32bit era textures.

Marketing could have been much clearer.



Quantity > Quality? Since when has that ever been a thing in gaming.


Whose fault would it be? It would be included otherwise.
I have seen several reviews of the XSS. Not one person is shocked that the console runs games at a lower resolution. Surprisingly it's only people that don't own the console and know little about have the most negative things to say. It's an amazing fact. The marketing was plenty clear. Consumers were promised a current gen console for $300 that has the same features as the $500 box. Mission accomplished.

Quality of games is totally subjective. Plenty of people appreciate that games that previously ran at 30fps now run at 60. That is a fantastic quality feature.

I have no idea what you are talking about with 'its included otherwise' bit. You have no idea why some developers drop features. They may have thought fewer people own the XSS so they didn't need to add the feature. Again there are plenty of other 120 fps games on the XSS and magically the system had no problem offering the feature in those instances.

So you agree it was misleading marketing then. Good to know.
Yes I completely agree. I was thinking that the XSS was just a budget console that would barely work and here it is offering more features and games running at 120fps than more experience consoles. MS was being far too conservative with their claims. Perhaps they'll add these points to their next ad campaign.
 

Leyasu

Banned
Look what HappyConsoleGamer has to say about it.... (7.30)



Doesn't sound like a good time to me.

A well known ranking officer in the SDF ignores loads of reviews, youtube vids and people that have played it, and posts a vid from some youtuber as proof that the game is not great..

GTFO. Blatant trolling
 

THE DUCK

voted poster of the decade by bots
Still waiting for those who keep saying series s was advertised as 1440p to come up with a reason why it's OK for series x and ps5 to not be delivering 4k at 120hz and or 8k games. Or even 4k at 60hz for that matter......
Zero leg to stand on, so they just throw a smoke bomb out and run every time.......

Here's the bottom line - the game looks great overall on series s, and series s owners are overwhelmingly happy with the machine for the price. Bla bla bla 1440p, ray tracing, bla bla bla, it makes no difference to 99% of series s buyers.
 
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LostDonkey

Member
Thats very odd. So many factors with streaming. How many hops to destination from where your ISP is located, etc. Sorry you're having a bad experience. That blows.
I have it on PC as well and it runs flawlessly on a GTX 1070 on the same monitor with the same wired connection
 

Bryank75

Banned
A well known ranking officer in the SDF ignores loads of reviews, youtube vids and people that have played it, and posts a vid from some youtuber as proof that the game is not great..

GTFO. Blatant trolling
I thought reviews were biased?
 

dcmk7

Banned
I have seen several reviews of the XSS.
What makes you think everyone who has the console likes it?

Members here, that do have the console, have expressed buyers remorse.

marketing was plenty clear
They had to correct the resolution targets? With that fact alone how can it possible have been 'plenty clear'?

Some members in the reveal thread, understood it to mean just lower resolution, exact same experience.

But that isn't remotely the case.

I have no idea what you are talking about with 'its included otherwise' bit
Well, if it was technically capable of being included it would have been.

But I think you're implying the developers have been lazy again. Which wouldn't be the case.
 
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