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Xbox have a great console and a great subscription service but still no games! They never learn!
Praise the lord no one has caught me playing my Xbox for hours every week w/ a black picture on my TV
Xbox have a great console and a great subscription service but still no games! They never learn!
Noone is calling it a failed platform stop being butthurt, most are having a civil discussion. Some of you guys are hella sensitive.This thread is like a wet dream made reality for so many. Let’s all pretend it’s a failed platform because it didn’t grow quite as much as projected. Will be an enjoyable read.
Yes instead, now more than ever.
Tell me, do you want to play less and worse games and have to rent them?
You’re hiredMicrosoft in FY20 beat their Game Pass target by 14%. They achieved 85.75% growth with a target of 71% growth. For FY21 their target was 47.79% growth, they achieved 37.48% growth. So Game Pass was already running ahead of their projected targets as of 2020, which makes missing this year's target not quite as bad. These numbers, before titles like Forza Horizon 5, Halo Infinite and Starfield, are great.
Does nobody understand basic mathematics anymore?
- mid-2019 is base 100;
- grow by 86% the first year. New value is 186 or +86 absolute gain;
- second year target growth is +48% so the target gain is 186 * 1.48 = 275;
- so the absolute target gain is 275 - 186 = 89. The prediction was that they would gain subs even faster than before;
- actual growth is +37% so the new value is 186 * 1.37 = 255;
- that’s an absolute gain of 255 - 186 = 69. Which is still insane YoY growth.
Basically they expected to have even higher new subs this year (post Covid) and it fell short, but they still gained subscribers (obviously) at 77% of last year’s pace.
If you see it as the service being doomed…
You’re hired
Why is their so much thirst on gaf for Gamepass to fail
Welcome to the world of crazed fandom and online armchair experts; where success, albeit not as targeted specifically, is failure.38% percent growth is now considered failing?
Perhaps they were expecting more series consoles to come off of the production lines.It's normal that percentage increases tail off as something gets larger, but the actual headline is the fact that Microsoft themselves weren't expecting it to start tailing off to such a degree this soon. What will be interesting to see is how they adjust the target for next year in light of this.
It's in the numbers themselves.
Last year Microsoft projected 71% growth for Game Pass, but beat that with 85.75% growth. This fiscal year they had a target of 47.79% and achieved 37.48%. If you combine last fiscal year and this most recent one, Game Pass is clearly ahead of Microsoft's projected growth targets by 4.44%. And this is all before Microsoft's biggest game releases.
Perhaps they were expecting more series consoles to come off of the production lines.
I think with Forza and Halo Infinite that number will be surpassed end of this year or early next year.And some people believed in 30M.
That isn't how percentages work. They are 23% off target. You don't subtract the raw percentages.Probably best to add the context to the OP:
By the numbers: For the 12 months that ended on June 30, Xbox Game Pass subscriber growth was up 37%, but the company had set a 48% growth goal.
Underperforming by 11% I guess.
I think with Forza and Halo Infinite that number will be surpassed end of this year or early next year.
Targets don't remain static. The target for this year would have taken previous years into account since it would have been set after last year's figures could be analysed.
Yep, I think that could be a completely reasonable conclusion. Either that or they expected better growth from the PC side of things.
Given the timeframe already they're likely pushing 23 million. Forza and Halo sales push 7Mil combined easily around launch months, historically I mean. There's a weird transition from hard sales to GP subs but yes I think the line up this XMAS and start of next year will push over 30Mil.Going from 20 to 30 million would represent 50% growth in a couple of months. Do you think that's realistic when they couldn't achieve 48% in 12 months?
Zhuge estimates closer to 20million, hes a numbers guy but who knowsSo the real number of subscribers is 25 million.
Not bad at all...
Yeah holiday sales and the expansion of cloud in Brazil, Australia, Japan, etc should help tooGiven the timeframe already they're likely pushing 23 million. Forza and Halo sales push 7Mil combined easily around launch months, historically I mean. There's a weird transition from hard sales to GP subs but yes I think the line up this XMAS and start of next year will push over 30Mil.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
On topic: so many pro here that seems to know how Microsoft is thinking lmao.
*at June 30.Zhuge estimates closer to 20million, hes a numbers guy but who knows
Zhuge estimates closer to 20million, hes a numbers guy but who knows
Why is their so much thirst on gaf for Gamepass to fail
The confusion is the 37% is from July 1, ‘20 to June 30, ‘21 and 18 mil was announced in Jan (the mid point.)A 37% increase from 18 million = 24.66 million.
Basically 25 million subs.
Well I’m not sure how he calculated that since it would mean the number in June 2020 was 14.5 million and nobody really knows that.And some people believed in 30M.
This thread is like a wet dream made reality for so many. Let’s all pretend it’s a failed platform because it didn’t grow quite as much as projected. Will be an enjoyable read.
No oneNoone is calling it a failed platform stop being butthurt, most are having a civil discussion. Some of you guys are hella sensitive.
I mean...as soon as i heard of them giving away Gamepass subscriptions for free in India for like 8 months it was kinda telling.
I wonder how much MS has invested on Gamepass so far.
Strauss said "30 million" and Phil stayed mum. Now we see why. They know it's better to not report the numbers when they're not up to expectations (as they stopped doing for hardware sales years ago), than to put a less than desirable number out there.
I wonder if the "Game Pass has reached XXX subscribers" press releases will meet the same fate as the "Xbox sells XXX units" ones did.
And here's why they stopped releasing numbers...typical Microsoft, if there's not a good story to tell just hide everything.
It will be interesting to see what happens when they release bigger titles like Halo Infinite on it.
It's not like they can act on price as a lever since they have already made tons of deals to push it almost for free.
Fantastic, the game pass model is bad for gamers, third party developers and the Xbox console. It’s only good for Microsoft and its investors.
let it fail.
until now growth was sustained with incredibly discounted subscriptions
if they want more growth they should give free gamepass in more counteries .
good
Every time I see third party games going day 1 on Gamepass I think "they must have no confidence in that game".
And thats why its cost is way bigger. Execs losing their bonus (it means shareholders want profits fast from it) for this will make them get rid of it soon.
Xbox have a great console and a great subscription service but still no games! They never learn!
Very interesting.
- Just today it announced 11 more notable releases for the service for this month alone.
What?Why would anyone ever subscribe to a gaming service that didn't understand the concept of love?
Only for Xbox’s performance review (i.e. execs). 38% growth is still absurd, but future growth is going to be constrained by Xbox Series supply and $1 deals expiring. I’m curious to see the rate of those who actually pay full price once the $1 deal expires. Retention is important.38% percent growth is now considered failing?
So the real number of subscribers is 25 million.
Not bad at all...
As someone who is heavily invested in the Xbox ecosystem I still don’t get the appeal of the service. What games have dropped that make me want to sub or lead to significant growth?
Marvel’s Avengers? Nah
Ascent? Nope
The Medium? Hell no
Baldur’s Gate? Lol
Even with Halo and FH5 on horizon it’s like who cares? Just buy the one or two games that interest you and play them. I’m not subbing to Game Pass to play Starfield for example. I’ll just buy it.
That's huge growth but MS was hoping for even more growth.38% percent growth is now considered failing?
Fantastic, the game pass model is bad for gamers, third party developers and the Xbox console. It’s only good for Microsoft and its investors.
let it fail.
until now growth was sustained with incredibly discounted subscriptions
That's huge growth but MS was hoping for even more growth.
I see literally two people out of everyone you quoted man, stop being so sensitive. People are entitled to fair opinions. Most of the posters you quoted are reacting to the data presented, just like people reacted to the faux data from a few weeks ago.No one