Yeah you're looking at the high end mini LEDs for the best HDR if you're sticking with LCDs. I don't think any LCD tv still has edge lit dimming though,they just have no local dimming at all most of the time on the lower end.I wonder how many of the "good LCDs" out there are actually good, considering how many HDR LCDs use edge-lit local dimming or even no local dimming at all. Or the illumination latency is so great that they behave like SDR panels in fast paced games.
From what I've been seeing, it's really hard to find a LCD that is decent for games, and quite expensive compared to LG's OLED offerings.
an LG GN800 with HDR disabled at system level: excellent monitor all around, but not FALD and not enough contrast ratio to have even a good HDR. 120fps/120hz VRR + fast response time is a lot more worth than HDR there.
Why do you disable HDR on that monitor though? Even if the difference is small, you're still getting more brightness information out of the 10 bit signal and it should help with contrast in darker scenes. Does HDR hurt the panel's response times somehow?
120fps/120hz VRR + fast response time is a lot more worth than HDR there.
Not if you watch an original UHD disc, streaming is hit and miss.For games it's totally awsome, but for movies HDR is horrendous
HDR on a monitor without the adequate contrast ratio and local dimming is basically washing out things more than in SDR. Seeing same games in HDR on X900E and LG GN800, I can say clearly that HDR on my monitor is not worth it at all.
I wonder how many of the "good LCDs" out there are actually good, considering how many HDR LCDs use edge-lit local dimming or even no local dimming at all. Or the illumination latency is so great that they behave like SDR panels in fast paced games.
From what I've been seeing, it's really hard to find a LCD that is decent for games, and quite expensive compared to LG's OLED offerings.
It was expected to not behave anywhere near a FALD TV, but are you sure you're losing image quality by turning HDR on? It could be just a matter of using the right profile.
It was expected to not behave anywhere near a FALD TV, but are you sure you're losing image quality by turning HDR on? It could be just a matter of using the right profile.
I never stream. I only watch the source material. The thing is that the industry doesn't really know how to use it yet. It's WAY to much and it looks horrible. I have a pro calibrated LG 77 G1, so there's nothing wrong there.Not if you watch an original UHD disc, streaming is hit and miss.
Hahahaha, what are you talking about? Have you misread an article or some sort? You're just guessing at this point and time.LG OLEDs have some of the worst colors in HDR. if you are into HDR get Sony MasterSeries. They are good enough TVs though. If you really want true picture quality get a mastering monitor. OLEDs will always suffer from the black crush. So if you got money get a MicroLED. I dont hate LG its just their color science is actually tuned towards the way Korean TVs are graded and no amount of color calibration can fix the 'coolness' of it. It just washes the warm hues.
I am not shitting on the most popular TVs and likely what most of you own, I am just saying it's a relative thing. Compared to a MicroLED, you can throw those OLEDs to gutter. The upside is you are not missing a lot of content watching things on your cheap OLED, because not a lot of content is mastered at high fidelity that microLEDs can provide. Most content is shot at 2KRAW with Arri than upscaled for 4K bluray and then if you are not using physical media you get barely even half of the bitrate.
Once ML becomes engrained into all visual productions then MicroLED will probably start getting cheaper although nothing is going to be cheaper if we are going with the current pace of things. I am into HDR all way. I have been playing a lot of games in Auto HDR too. For something that is not native implementation Microsoft just nailed it unlike the rest of the Windows 11 which needs a lot of improvement.
I doubt any 1080p tv still being made is up to snuff. Had one a couple years back and it had terrible HDR.Random but related question. Does the UK still get those 1080p HDR tvs? I think Sony made one, and always found it interesting.
He could be alluding to that OLEDs lose a lot of color when they get brighter which is why OLEDs have lower color volume than LCDs.Hahahaha, what are you talking about? Have you misread an article or some sort? You're just guessing at this point and time.
Yeah, I figured they couldn't be very good but always found it interesting that they were the only ones who seem to have made a 1080p HDR telly.I doubt any 1080p tv still being made is up to snuff. Had one a couple years back and it had terrible HDR.
What am I guessing? Have you even read what I said. I am telling how the state of HDR is for anyone who is interested in HDR, and that HDR is awesome however how awesome it can be is relative to display technologies, MicroLED being top and then we go down from there with both OLEDs and LEDs having their own advantages and drawbacks and a comparative view between two Top OLED providers one being LG and other being SONY. HDR obviously incorporates WCG and so obviously its about color and thus indirectly about luminosity since luminosity itself defines color. Saying LOL, to how the movies are made in this world and how color physics works only makes you sound obnoxious my dude.Hahahaha, what are you talking about? Have you misread an article or some sort? You're just guessing at this point and time.
Agreed. Especially when it comes to particle effects, and the skyboxes.HDR is the biggest visual improvement since HD.
Took 10 years but the jump was huge.
No going back once I experienced it.
I never stream. I only watch the source material. The thing is that the industry doesn't really know how to use it yet. It's WAY to much and it looks horrible. I have a pro calibrated LG 77 G1, so there's nothing wrong there.
LG OLEDs have some of the worst colors in HDR. if you are into HDR get Sony MasterSeries. They are good enough TVs though. If you really want true picture quality get a mastering monitor. OLEDs will always suffer from the black crush. So if you got money get a MicroLED. I dont hate LG its just their color science is actually tuned towards the way Korean TVs are graded and no amount of color calibration can fix the 'coolness' of it. It just washes the warm hues.
I am not shitting on the most popular TVs and likely what most of you own, I am just saying it's a relative thing. Compared to a MicroLED, you can throw those OLEDs to gutter. The upside is you are not missing a lot of content watching things on your cheap OLED, because not a lot of content is mastered at high fidelity that microLEDs can provide. Most content is shot at 2KRAW with Arri than upscaled for 4K bluray and then if you are not using physical media you get barely even half of the bitrate.
Once ML becomes engrained into all visual productions then MicroLED will probably start getting cheaper although nothing is going to be cheaper if we are going with the current pace of things. I am into HDR all way. I have been playing a lot of games in Auto HDR too. For something that is not native implementation Microsoft just nailed it unlike the rest of the Windows 11 which needs a lot of improvement.
And thats your opinion too, my man. Its all just opinions here. Even if I was artificially programmed to be perfectly objective I would have limited sets of display to watch so statically yes there is a lot of margin for error but we are talking science and technology here. We are talking technological limitations of display technology, streaming technology. Color is very very specific science, even though each human eye sees each color differently individually just like every space time unit in this reality is exibited once by one person. Yet we have clocks, meaning we do generalizations for ease of understanding. So yeah my so called 'opinion' is atleast informed opinion formed with scientific temperament.
HDR is a great addition IMO. I have a pretty bright room and will continue to as I love natural light flowing everywhere so I don't have an OLED but a Hisense U8G. While I can easily afford a C1 I just wanted something brighter, and I'm cheap when it comes to things and couldn't bring myself to pay over double for the OLED.
Random but related question. Does the UK still get those 1080p HDR tvs? I think Sony made one, and always found it interesting.
Its your hyperbolic comments that are for the lack of a better word, laughable.And thats your opinion too, my man. Its all just opinions here. Even if I was artificially programmed to be perfectly objective I would have limited sets of display to watch so statically yes there is a lot of margin for error but we are talking science and technology here. We are talking technological limitations of display technology, streaming technology. Color is very very specific science, even though each human eye sees each color differently individually just like every space time unit in this reality is exibited once by one person. Yet we have clocks, meaning we do generalizations for ease of understanding. So yeah my so called 'opinion' is atleast informed opinion formed with scientific temperament.
HDR600 isn't really true HDR tbhGot a 240hz monitor with HDR600 recently. The effect is there, but I haven't tried much using the feature.
Turns out it's not an important feature for most pixel art games or metroidvanias.
Might install Ori just to see it in action properly.
at least he has the best oled and the best led for games and movies, something will have to say
How would you compare a jet and a commercial airliner. It seems you are taking scientific facts as insults. Also, I dont know why some people just dont read here and just go on misquoting turning something into hostile sentiment. Lets say you go to Popular Rating sites and channels like RTings, HDTVtest or Blurbusters, is their word any different to my comparison. How would one compare a 3090 to GTX 1070. Is 1070 a bad card, NO far from it. Infact I once said here it is slightly worst than PS5 at best and thats really good. But Compared to 3090 you can throw 1070 at gutter.Its your hyperbolic comments that are for the lack of a better word, laughable.
"Compared to Micro LED Toss OLED in the gutter."
"OLEDs have some of the worst color"
"Good enough tvs"
If you have to preface something with, I am not shitting on the most popular TV's, chances are you are shitting on the most popular TV's.
I like whenever someone makes a post like this they somehow always claim to have everything mentioned in the discussion.I have LG OLED, I have Sony OLED, I have a Panasonic OLED and I have a HDR Monitor.
I did not say I have everything because there are many OLED manufactures. What I have is just basic compared to what many purists have. Also you were banned previously for creating a similar thread where you straight up went mocking everybody on that thread because you assumed that you were the only one with an OLED TV. You also created this pole on that vision. One other guy also got banned for brand pampering. I am just saying how the state of HDR is in consumer grade hardware. If you go look at those super expensive MicroLEDs you will get why they have those price tags, Alright. I don't own one but I tend to not act a blind guy. Again I dont own everything that I mentioned but anyone can see something they dont own if they go to a store or electronic expose.I like whenever someone makes a post like this they somehow always claim to have everything mentioned in the discussion.
I have an LCD HDR display. So no, no I do not have a good HDR display.
HDR is more or less a "standard" feature now, even in basic IPS displays that don't have a tenth of the contrast ratio needed to display HDR content properly. HDR is legit but it's dumb unless you have an OLED so I keep it off.
saw this video and don't understand the comparison,are they even priced similarly? I doubt it cause i got my C1 for cheaper than a QN90A
I am not insulted in the slightest. I simply think its funny the way you word things in a hyperbolic manner that you do.How would you compare a jet and a commercial airliner. It seems you are taking scientific facts as insults. Also, I dont know why some people just dont read here and just go on misquoting turning something into hostile sentiment. Lets say you go to Popular Rating sites and channels like RTings, HDTVtest or Blurbusters, is their word any different to my comparison. How would one compare a 3090 to GTX 1070. Is 1070 a bad card, NO far from it. Infact I once said here it is slightly worst than PS5 at best and thats really good. But Compared to 3090 you can throw 1070 at gutter.
Second again to your misquoting I never said OLEDs have bad color I said LG OLEDs have bad color because they have a particular type of factory calibration. And here is the thing not everyone is about brand wars here or about condescending. I have LG OLED, I have Sony OLED, I have a Panasonic OLED and I have a HDR Monitor. So I am just telling you what I see. I literally told you how anyone honest would say. You can watch Digital Trends video about TVs he would like but can't have. Which is why I said its relative.