the_master
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Another game made into open world...
Glad to see Sonic, but this already feels empty and pointless.
Glad to see Sonic, but this already feels empty and pointless.
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Team Andromeda
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I do too, there did seem to be some nice levels in that broken mess of a game and engine
Kiddo Cabbusses
Member
I mean, I'll give you some credit for putting down Forces where it's due, but saying that about Colors Ultimate sounds like a repeat of Rise of Lyric all over again; Excusing it because it "technically wasn't Sonic Team", as if Sonic Team is some shining beacon that does no wrong in the first place, even though they made both 06 and Forces. Does that seriously NOT ring any alarm bells? You might deny the Sonic cycle, but at the very least there are SOME patterns here.
Also, by that same logic I could exclude Sonic Mania from the "good games" list, but contrary to what you might think, I rather like having good Sonic games, regardless of the developer.
So you point to a period where in 15 years we had 4 mainline games (Ultimate - Colors - Generations - Forces) , with 1 of those games being subpar, one other notable Sonic release being controversial (Lost World) and another being an absolute dud (Rise of Lyric) and point to that as saying they've been "decent to good"?
Like, stop thinking of this in the bubble of the Sonic fandom for a bit here.
3 "Decent to good" games in a span of 15 years is ABYSMAL for a company with money and reputation like Sega's. It's like when EA got the exclusive rights to make Star Wars games and only made a handful of Star Wars games for a whole console gen when LucasArts used to be able to churn out 2 in a year. I don't recall the Star Wars fans being all that happy about that, and that's putting the microtransaction issues aside.
Do you know what comparable Nintendo IP had a similar drought of game releases and 2 dud games? Metroid. Remember the drought of games after Prime 3? Do you recall Federation Force's reception? Or how Samus Returns was overshadowed by the DMCA takedowns of AM2R? Quite frankly, Metroid went through years of rut, much like Sonic did. Do you know what turned people around? Metroid Dread? Literally one of the best releases on the Switch, period. Actually won one of those TGA awards which Nintendo typically gets snubbed on. The game is arguably superior to the previous games - not necessarily universally considered so, but the fact that it can be debated with merit both on presentation and mechanics speaks to it's quality. A game like that has to not just be there, but set the bar for what's to come in the future.
Sonic Mania was close to this. Really close. It was a good 2D Sonic, comparable in quality to the Genesis Sonic formula that prior to that point wasn't really iterated upon since the first Sonic Advance on the GBA (And at this point, I won't go on much more about my opinion on Genesis Sonic knowing that you posted after that the only one you liked was the one with the worst level design and physics coding.). Had Sonic Forces been a solid entry afterward, or a Mania sequel came around that made people overlook Forces, there's a possibility it'd have been considered a start to Sonic's turnaround, instead of a flash-in-the-pan. Huh, now that I think about it, didn't people say this sort of thing about Generations in 2008? "Oh, no, there's no cycle, it's all in your head."
cireza
Member
That's only your opinion, not some kind of absolute truth.
Unleashed is fantastic, Generations as well, Colors is great and Lost World was as well. Forces was also pretty good. These are all mainline Sonic games from Sonic Team.
Next to these games, we had three excellent racing games by Sumo and Mania. The series is actually super strong.
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Team Andromeda
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You missed out on Sonic Unleashed but hey never mind, and Rise of Lyric wasn't even made by the Sonic Team. Its pointless to debate with you, but I liked the Sonic Boost gameplay and enjoyed most of the modern Sonic Team 3D games myself.
I also remember the days when Nintendo made the best 2D Metroid games In-House, I miss them and I remember the days when Nintendo could churn out a number of In-House games a year, much like Lucasarts. Those days are gone and in the age of Big teams and 2 to 3 years development cycles one can't churn out games like they used, not even Star Wars games and there were plenty of bad Star Wars games before you look to hit on EA, not that I found the EA ones to be bad at all.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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COD Sonic in real world! Aren’t they done with that since 06? Where is the fantasy gone?
Still, i wanna see more.
Still, i wanna see more.
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Spaceman292
Banned
Forces.
Saber
Gold Member
Lol "Sonic hater"
You act like people don't have any reason to be pessimist about Sonic games as if Sonic didn't have any bad games in last years(Sonic Forces lmfao). Really, the only problem here is do defense work when the game could be any bad yet again. You don't need to sound offended for every person who feel like this gonna be yet another disaster in the hands of Sega and Sonic Team.
And lmao, what a load of bullcrap. Please spare me of your stupid explanation for why Sonic characters are the way they are.
And the most crazy ones are also the ones who got their feeling hurts about commentaries about Sonic and yet proceeds to mentions Sonic 06 as if it has any kind salvation or potential.
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Kiddo Cabbusses
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"Lost World is not a mainline Sonic game because it's experimental; Stop using it an example of Sonic Team screwing up."
"So there was a 6 year gap between mainline Sonic games going from Generations to Forces..."
"No, no, Lost World is a mainline game! Don't forget that!"
If Lost World was so good, maybe Sonic Team should've made a followup to it. But there's a reason they went back to making a game that played like Generations down to having Classic Sonic again, even though they previously insisted that Generations was a one-off.
So is this meant to be taken as '"Oh, but what I say after this is absolute fact"? Or more like "How dare you have an opinion on a forum! Just shut up and consume product."?
Because either way, that's not exactly gonna pump me up for a 3D Sonic.
I'm not the biggest fans of Sonic's steering in boost, but I can see the merits of the arcade-like gameplay loop in general; Even as bad as Forces was, it didn't fundamentally break Boost the same way 06 broke the Adventure style. Unleashed had half of a solid game , Colors had neat 3D segments as well and would had been nice on better hardware (except for when they tried to put it on better hardware and somehow screwed it up), and Generations was one of the few games Sonic Team put out in all these years I wouldn't complain about. If things were incremental improvements from Generations from here on out, I probably wouldn't be so sour on Sonic.
While there is some general truth to games taking longer and requiring bigger teams to develop, Nintendo and EA's gaps between specific notable IPs they work on are usually filled in by, well, other specific notable IP they work on (Switch got a new Mario, soon to be two new Zeldas, soon to be two new Splatoons, a new Animal Crossing, etc. up to the point where their library looks par for their pace of releases outside the lack of more niche franchises like F-Zero). Now, Sega as a whole has a few projects like Yakuza, Virtua Fighter, and Sakura Taisen over the past few years, but Sonic Team in particular? They mostly just do Puyo Puyo now, and that's a low-budget affair. Even EA DICE managed to put out two Star Wars Battlefront games in the time it took for Sonic Team to make Sonic Forces.
SkylineRKR
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I like Sonic Adventure 2 a lot. I also enjoyed Generations and Unleashed. Haven't played Colors remaster but probably grab it one day in the sale. Sonic 06 was awful but I was hooked to the demo on 360 back then.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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Fake
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The past tell otherwise. Not even a god damn fucking remaster they do right.
ripeavocado
Banned
Sonic of the Colossus looks nice
Team Andromeda
Member
Hurt? I just love how the people with the most to say on Sonic are usually the ones who don't buy the games, much like with COD games. Sonic 06 was bad and I didn't think much of Sonic Adv 2. I've enjoyed the other main Sonic Team 3D outings mind
Team Andromeda
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Granted it wasn't the best in Unleashed, but I enjoyed the game it had some amazing visuals and such a rush at times and I didn't feel the Nightmare sections were as bad as made out, much like Knack.
The whole of NCL has basically made 4 Major In-House games for the Switch over the last 4 years or so; the likes of Zelda BOTW, Mario Kart 8 were simply ports of Wii U games. The Yakuza team on their own have made more games than that.
Sonic Team also helped out with Sakura Taisen on the PS4 BTW but I don't really want to go off topic
Saber
Gold Member
Theres nothing to be hurt kid, you could use a better tatic. And not buying bad Sonic games is just people not being dumb(if you like, thats on you I'm afraid). Mania is a great game but far from anything Sonic Team or even Sega could ever do alone, Taxman and his team are to praise. Instead we have recent cases like Boom and Forces, and people pretending once again they never existed. Well, that and using COD is brain damaging moment if you ask me.
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Mario did it with Browser's Fury and it was pretty good. Something like Sonic Robo Blast or Sonic Utopia would be a good point to start.
The only thing that worries me is... Switch? This could limit the scope of the game.
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Saber
Gold Member
With how Sonic Mania advanced, I though the idea of reaching fans with big popular projects could be a thing.
But then that rumor pop up and sounds very much like the type of deal they would present to make their dreams real.
Brigandier
Member
I really liked Sonic Adventure on the DC but I've not played a Sonic since.... I haven't missed much from what I've gathered over the past 20 years or so???
Hopefully this is a good game.
Hopefully this is a good game.
cireza
Member
They never do follow-ups and that's perfectly fine. Completely unrelated to being good or bad.
What's this ? Are there several persons in your head or something ? I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Yeah, I think we all got that don't worry.
NiiloPielinen
Member
Coldsteel DLC or no buy
BlackTron
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I hope Switch gets an entirely different game, like Generations on DS or Unleashed on Wii.
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Ristifer
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I think, if executed well, this could be a great change of style for modern Sonic. However, this is Sonic Team. So, it'll most likely be abysmal, with some minor redeeming qualities.
I know people love to defend modern Sonic now and give Sonic Team this wealth of praise for mediocre games that seem painfully unfinished and half-baked, but the fact of the matter is that Sonic Team really needs to prove itself. They need a shining example of where they want to take the franchise for the next little while. I'm not going to heap praise on them until they knock it out of the park. And this is coming from someone who loves Unleashed and Generations. I still think they're massively flawed in ways, though.
I know people love to defend modern Sonic now and give Sonic Team this wealth of praise for mediocre games that seem painfully unfinished and half-baked, but the fact of the matter is that Sonic Team really needs to prove itself. They need a shining example of where they want to take the franchise for the next little while. I'm not going to heap praise on them until they knock it out of the park. And this is coming from someone who loves Unleashed and Generations. I still think they're massively flawed in ways, though.
KormaChameleon
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Punished Miku
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I don't think The Kirby Of Us is open world at all, but it sure looks great.
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Kenshin775
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I remember reading one of the rumors was that Sonic will be able to kick and punch. Sonic as a character is so powerful, quick and acrobatic so on paper Sonic combat could be incredible.
I imagine he would be doing a lot of dodging and darting in and out to attack his enemies. Maybe he gets an accessory where he can block and parry. It would be sick if you could charge up a super attack while blocking enemy attacks then unleash it and watch enemies get hit so hard they go flying. Sonic super attacks based on momentum should feel weighty and powerful.
I imagine he would be doing a lot of dodging and darting in and out to attack his enemies. Maybe he gets an accessory where he can block and parry. It would be sick if you could charge up a super attack while blocking enemy attacks then unleash it and watch enemies get hit so hard they go flying. Sonic super attacks based on momentum should feel weighty and powerful.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
He already hit Super Saiyan a while ago as well.
Elder Legend
Banned
Last Sonic game I truly enjoyed was Sonic Generations and Sonic Unleashed. The day levels in Unleashed were fantastic. I earned a platinum in that game, was tons of fun. Night levels were okay but not horrible. Soundtrack was ace.
Haven't played the new ones. Hoping this is good, I am looking forward to trying it.
Haven't played the new ones. Hoping this is good, I am looking forward to trying it.
RaZoR No1
Member
Honestly I just want a true Sonic Adventure 3
I dont care if they go open world like SA1 or have levels like SA2
IMO these were one of the last Sonic games, where Sega put alot of resources into the game.
Of course I like Generations etc. too, but somehow they weren't a true SA successor.
TBH I even like 3D sonic games.. 2D games have been bloated and oversaturated since we have so many indie 2D games.
I dont care if they go open world like SA1 or have levels like SA2
IMO these were one of the last Sonic games, where Sega put alot of resources into the game.
Of course I like Generations etc. too, but somehow they weren't a true SA successor.
TBH I even like 3D sonic games.. 2D games have been bloated and oversaturated since we have so many indie 2D games.
cireza
Member
Unleashed is my favorite modern Sonic game. It was a sight to behold honestly, when they unveiled it. The engine was incredible, and the game was a lot of fun with fantastic level-design.
German Hops
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I'd say it looks more akin to BoTW.
Why would you say it looks like SoTC, though?
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I only watched it once, but I thought there was a giant rock colossus at some point.
It's all in the wrist
Member
No hate, no snarky comments. I just want this to be good!
Team Andromeda
Member
Yes Mums , I forget the internet tells you so, . I actually found Sonic DS far better to Mania, but still what do I know. I just happen to buy and play the games, unlike mum
Saber
Gold Member
Good for you. You can enjoy whatever the crap you want. Just don't got all sad when people actually go dubious of a company with recent historic of bad Sonic games. If you have hype for this, go for it. Hope that helps your mental recovery.
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OmegaSpirit32X
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idk, Shinobi is a very different game, hell I'd argue every traditional platformer is a very different game than to what Sonic is. Sonic is it's own thing, just like how Smash was it's own thing from any other fighting game.I liked Revenge of Shinobi and Quackshot far more to any of the Sonic Mega Drive bar Sonic CD (which was rather good) Sonic Adv was ace, but Sonic Adv 2 was such a letdown and disappointment. I've liked most of the 3D games and thought Sonic Gen was stunning. Sonic Forces was a step back but wasn't that bad (just its levels were too short). Looking forward to this, but kind of wished it was coming out at the same time as the film and also hoped to see more gameplay after 4 years of development
You can't judge games if you haven't played them. It only proves the point that you only hate Sonic because it's cool.
Not Sonic Team, that was another studio. They patched it anyways.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
plz be like jak and daxter:the precursor legacy