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How Xbox Was Finally Proven Right in 2021

Lognor

Banned
Bwahaha! "We're not going to give the numbers, just trust us."
So do you think Microsoft is cooking the books then? Microsoft has to give accurate numbers to their shareholders. As the other poster indicated, Microsoft answers to their shareholders. Shareholders are not clamoring for subscription numbers. They care about the bottom line. Sucks for you maybe, but you need to understand
 
It can. That’s the point. It’s not just settings lowered. They are removing features that are considered next gen and account for the promised experience that isn’t being delivered.
What? Please name a single “next gen feature” that was removed from an S version of a game outside of settings which by your own words isn’t what you’re talking about. I’ll wait.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
we clearly have different perspectives on what objective reality and opinion are.

I'll agree and leave it at that.

Side note: feel like we have been having a very civil conversation in the middle of a thundering riot.

crowd riot GIF
 
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Utherellus

Member
My dudes. I really do not understand.

WHY some people are so desperately trying to downplay Xbox? Rival platform elitism? Blind hate? What is the reason that those gamers, as a consumers, are afraid of competition?

Their ecosystem is seamless and works like a snap.
They finally started heavily investing in portfolio. Like, do you not actually sit down for a second and analyze how much Xbox changed next-gen landscape by investing in Zenimax and other studios?

Don't you see how Sony looked at Xbox and they got even more aggressive at investing studios, PS plus and reportedly Game pass competitor? Meanwhile Phil gonna suck MS moneys from Satya Nadella to compete even stronger?

It's CRAZY. This generation will be CRAZY. And it's fun as fck to be an observer.

Just chill and enjoy competition.
 
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Riky

$MSFT
A 3 year long “trial” That’s been available for around 3 years? It needs to be circumvented so that makes it a loophole. It’s not a standard price and it’s been going on too long to be considered a promotion at this point.

This reads like a contradictory statement if you’re implying that the retention rate is high.


I mentioned them hitching their wagon. You quoted it. That’s also why none of their games are exclusives and why they can remove traditionally multi console releases from Sony and Nintendo. They’ve made their games available everywhere else. That’s why the PC-only people here favor xbox even though they don’t have one of their consoles.

Of course they do. It’s supposed to provide the same experience as x at lower resolutions. When you begin removing features that are considered next gen you’re not providing the same experience. Otherwise that proves the redundancy of the s since they are focused on cloud gaming and proof that it needs more work and effort to get games running. 343 didn’t decide to remove 120fps mode on series s for laughs. And it was supposed to be included which means they spent time and resources for no reason.

Those came out before 2021. You mean new to xbox? I meant new. Are you going to include deathloop in your new Xbox category when it finally goes to xbox?

Multi console release and available to play on PS4 and PS5.

You seem to think MS don't know about the "loophole" by saying it's been available for so long it sort of implies you know they do. They are willing to invest in the service, that's all there is to it.

We don't know what the retention rate is, I would suspect it's good if they let the offers keep running.

I'm a PC owner, I get to play on Windows a Microsoft platform and Xbox a Microsoft platform, I see that as a good thing.

You said first party games released since launch, how can they come out before the console? The fact they appeared on a Microsoft platform earlier doesn't matter to new console owners.

Psychonauts 2 still came out on Xbox, the best console versions resolution and framerate wise were on Series consoles, the fact there were inferior versions on a other platform doesn't change the fact it was a first party game on the console.
 

FrankWza

Member
What? Please name a single “next gen feature” that was removed from an S version of a game outside of settings which by your own words isn’t what you’re talking about. I’ll wait.
Sure. GotG doesn’t have Ray tracing on s. Halo campaign doesn’t have 120fps on s. Both games have these features are available on the lead consoles they released on. Experience altered.
 

BlackM1st

Banned
You seem to be a crybaby about the xss. Maybe you need to grow up from it.

Considering you kids were playing on the ps4/xbox one, who had shit hardwares.
And by that logic you're a crybaby FOR the xss? OK.

Considering you kids were playing on the ps4/xbox one, who had shit hardwares.
I play on PC. And regardless, PS4 or One "shit hardware" isn't a reason to support more "shit hardware" in the form of the S. I'm done with this thread anyway.

Did I mentioned fuck the S? Yeah, fuck the S.

Have fun!
 
So do you think Microsoft is cooking the books then? Microsoft has to give accurate numbers to their shareholders. As the other poster indicated, Microsoft answers to their shareholders. Shareholders are not clamoring for subscription numbers. They care about the bottom line. Sucks for you maybe, but you need to understand
Has nothing to do with cooking the books. Has to do with PR speak. Record numbers could mean anything. More than likely they are talking about revenue for the division, yet again, not units sold. Especially since when we do get numbers from trackers, there's nothing record breaking about them.

And you can't tell me there are not any shareholders who want to know actual profits and sub counts, when last gen some were suggesting they drop the division when the new CEO came onboard. MS is only going to give them what they are required to.
 
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Riky

$MSFT
Sure. GotG doesn’t have Ray tracing on s. Halo campaign doesn’t have 120fps on s. Both games have these features are available on the lead consoles they released on. Experience altered.

They said developers were free to adjust what features they wanted with Series S versions, before launch.
Point is your save works across the systems so the games are gameplay complete and always will be.
 

Patrick S.

Banned
Are you… okay? You JUST SAID settings isn’t what you meant and you proceed to… quote settings?
I don't think you are posting in bad faith and don't want to see you banned, but you could try and be the wiser guy and just ignore attacks, and you could try being a bit more amicable. Just an impression *shrug*
 

FrankWza

Member
Are you… okay? You JUST SAID settings isn’t what you meant and you proceed to… quote settings?
Read this slowly. It’s from here:

SHARED FEATURES OF NEXT GEN​

Xbox Velocity Architecture
Quick Resume
DirectX Raytracing
Variable Rate Shading
Spatial Sound
Gaming at up to 120FPS
 

Utherellus

Member
Sure. GotG doesn’t have Ray tracing on s. Halo campaign doesn’t have 120fps on s. Both games have these features are available on the lead consoles they released on. Experience altered.
Neither Raytracing nor 120fps defines next-gen tho. Those features simply add up on a base, fundamental experience.

- Rendering complex worlds with tons of NPC and interactive open world physics coz of 16 thread CPU.
- Implementing SSD-powered gameplay mechanics.

These do define next-gen.


Time will come when you, or someone as skeptical as you launch Fable on Series S and walk into ridiculously detailed, complex and interactive town where developers will not be limited for realizing their creative freedom fully.
There may not be raytracing. But it won't matter. Your jaw will be on floor anyways.
 
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sircaw

Banned
Only if fishy keeps crying about insults while insulting others in the same comment.

The hypocrisy doesn’t just end at video games, I guess.
i don't think i recall insulting you,

Unless you consider being called unhinged an insult, which i think that is a fair assessment of your over-aggressive posting methodology.

As for your insults, calling someone a loser and asking why they have not been banned is/are proper insults.

Have a great Xmas and a happy new year coming up, you earned it dog :messenger_heart:
 

Riky

$MSFT
Read this slowly. It’s from here:

SHARED FEATURES OF NEXT GEN​

Xbox Velocity Architecture
Quick Resume
DirectX Raytracing
Variable Rate Shading
Spatial Sound
Gaming at up to 120FPS

Series S has games that do all those things.
 
I don't think you are posting in bad faith and don't want to see you banned, but you could try and be the wiser guy and just ignore attacks, and you could try being a bit more amicable. Just an impression *shrug*
What?

The user quite literally responded to me about what does and doesn’t make a next gen game (they said not settings) and then I asked for them to point out an S game where features were removed (not settings by their own words) and then they proceeded to use settings as an example.

I’m here actually talking about video games.
 
i don't think i recall insulting you,

Unless you consider being called unhinged an insult, which i think that is a fair assessment of your over-aggressive posting methodology.

As for your insults, calling someone a loser and asking why they have not been banned is/are proper insults.

Have a great Xmas and a happy new year coming up, you earned it dog :messenger_heart:
Hahahahahahahahahaahahhahhha.

Calling someone “unhinged” isn’t an insult but pointing out a user doesn’t partake in a discussion outside of react emojis is? Calling someone “unhinged” which is a dig on mental health isn’t an insult but calling someone a loser is? Calling someone “unhinged” isn’t an insult but asking why someone isn’t banned (functionality of the site) is?

Enjoy your “unhinged” Christmas in fantasy land, fish ❤️.
 
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Patrick S.

Banned
What?

The user quite literally responded to me about what does and doesn’t make a next gen game (they said not settings) and then I asked for them to point out an S game where features were removed (not settings by their own words) and then they proceeded to use settings as an example.

I’m here actually talking about video games.
I kinda quoted the wrong post, but that doesn't change what I said.
 

FrankWza

Member
Neither Raytracing nor 120fps defines next-gen tho.

SHARED FEATURES OF NEXT GEN​

Xbox Velocity Architecture
Quick Resume
DirectX Raytracing
Variable Rate Shading
Spatial Sound
Gaming at up to 120FPS
i love you lion GIF by Music Choice
 

Lognor

Banned
Has nothing to do with cooking the books. Has to do with PR speak. Record numbers could mean anything. More than likely they are talking about revenue for the division, yet again, not units sold. Especially since when we do get numbers, there's nothing record breaking about.

And you can't tell me there are not any shareholders who want to know actual profits and sub counts, when last gen some were suggesting they drop the division when the new CEO came onboard. MS is only going to give them what they are required to.
I'm an investor in Microsoft and I want numbers so of course some shareholders want numbers. LOL. Anyone can go buy a share of stock of MSFT for $330 and call themselves an investor. What matters is enough investors don't care.

Every company looks at numbers to spin it in a positive way to say they are the best or they're doing record numbers, etc. Yeah, it could be they talk about record numbers, but aren't necessarily saying console sales. They aren't lying. They're just framing it in a way to make themselves look good. It's PR. Microsoft does it. Sony does it. Nintendo does it. Who cares?
 
I have gamepass it doesn't expand anything for me, 99% of the stuff on there is either old games I've already played or filler indie games that most people couldn't care less about.

Series S is somehow a good thing because of cross gen? Why not just keep the One X in production until you decide to drop the old stuff completely? I mean yeah the CPU is better but the GPU is more advanced in some ways but in others it's still weaker.

Smart Delivery cracks me up, all it's doing is putting the version of the game you bought into your console, you can do that now on PS5 you just choose which one to download. It would be nice if it did it automatically for you but that's not some game changer.

I'm sorry but most people still don't play games older than the previous gen, the talk about legacy BC from the 360 and original xbox is just that, talk. Most of those games are an ugly mess unless they got the "4K" love and most of them do not have that improvement. It's cool to have it but the world doesn't end without it either, I play PS4 games on my PS5 but couldn't care less about playing anything from the PS3 and I play some Xbox one games on my Series X but other than the witcher 2 and RDR I don't really care about 360 games at this point either. The ones I loved when they were new don't hold up well today when it comes to gameplay.
 

Utherellus

Member

SHARED FEATURES OF NEXT GEN​

Xbox Velocity Architecture
Quick Resume
DirectX Raytracing
Variable Rate Shading
Spatial Sound
Gaming at up to 120FPS
i love you lion GIF by Music Choice

riiiiiight. you completely ignored my point and replied with marketing quote.

read my comment again and think about it for a second time.
 
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Record numbers could mean anything. More than likely they are talking about revenue for the division, yet again, not units sold.
Here's the direct quote: "The Xbox Series S and X are our fastest selling consoles ever, with more consoles sold life-to-date than any previous generation."

It is what it is :messenger_relieved:
And you can't tell me there are not any shareholders who want to know actual profits and sub counts, when last gen some were suggesting they drop the division when the new CEO came onboard. MS is only going to give them what they are required to.
Again, Microsoft doesn't share profits for any of its subdivisions. Xbox is a small subdivision, but even something like Azure doesn't get its profits shared with the public. It's how Microsoft operates company-wide and the shareholders don't give a shit because the company's profits as a whole are through the roof.
 
PLEASE DON'T INSULT HIM, words like amicable are a big no-no on this forum.

How DARE YOU. "lollipop_disappointed:
Fishy really just compared “unhinged” and “amicable”.

It’s okay, fish. You made a booboo. It’s alright to admit you insult others during the holidays while crying about insulting others during the holidays 😂
 

Patrick S.

Banned
Please, explain how me responding to a user who said things outside of settings are dropped on S games but then uses settings as evidence “doesn’t change what” you said?
Dude, it doesn't matter which of your posts I quoted. It's not about any specific post of yours. All I'm saying is, try not being a bitter asshat, and if you feel insulted by someone, ignore and/or report them. All this back and forth with you has completeley derailed and taken the fun out of this thread.
 

DaGwaphics

Member
A 3 year long “trial” That’s been available for around 3 years? It needs to be circumvented so that makes it a loophole. It’s not a standard price and it’s been going on too long to be considered a promotion at this point.

I'll go ahead and throw some words into the ether on this. Just because you can use the $1 conversion for 3yrs does not equate to everyone doing that. In reality, probably a small subset of users are doing that. Hell, I'm a huge Xbox fan and I only added an additional 1yr card before converting. When you look at Amazon and see the #1 Gold/PSN card is the higher priced monthly option, you get the idea that most aren't going to buy 3yrs of gold to get this deal in the first place.
 
Dude, it doesn't matter which of your posts I quoted. It's not about any specific post of yours. All I'm saying is, try not being a bitter asshat, and if you feel insulted by someone, ignore and/or report them. All this back and forth with you has completeley derailed and taken the fun out of this thread.
Wait.. reporting is fine now?

Fun? Huh? It’s fun to call this article Riky propaganda and warring but talking about actual features derailed it?

Come on, now.
 

kingfey

Banned
I play on PC. And regardless, PS4 or One "shit hardware" isn't a reason to support more "shit hardware" in the form of the S. I'm done with this thread anyway.
If you are pc player, then what gives you right to shit on S?

You keep ignoring all these low end pc graphic cards?
 

sircaw

Banned
Fishy really just compared “unhinged” and “amicable”.

It’s okay, fish. You made a booboo. It’s alright to admit you insult others during the holidays while crying about insulting others during the holidays 😂
It’s a holiday.

“Stop insulting” "lollipop_disappointed:
You have to try better haha, i have seen some seriously poor bait in my time, come on dude, if you're going to play, up your game some. :messenger_heart:
 
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