Topher
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Did Spencer say “Warzone”? Nope. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
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Our desire is to keep Call of Duty on PlayStation - Phil Spencer
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Did Spencer say “Warzone”? Nope. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
Fredrik
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They don’t only have Gamepass users. And they’re earning too much money as a company for any quality decrease to happen because of costs. ”In fiscal year 2021, we delivered $168 billion in revenue”
Plus, they could raise the price for Gamepass or games in general to soften the blow.
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Jigsaah
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While I stick by my prediction that COD will remain multiplat, I would dumb to not acknowledge the business side of this.
If Microsoft were to make COD exclusive...COD heads would jump to Xbox or PC, full stop.
Does it mean they will not buy a PS5 if they haven't already? Not necessarily. If anything this may create a influx of multiplatform owners. This becomes even more probable if COD is on Gamepass Day 1.
If Microsoft were to make COD exclusive...COD heads would jump to Xbox or PC, full stop.
Does it mean they will not buy a PS5 if they haven't already? Not necessarily. If anything this may create a influx of multiplatform owners. This becomes even more probable if COD is on Gamepass Day 1.
Darlingcognito
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Doesn't phase me, some poor chud will be paying $110 to play the game while I get it rolled into Gamepass day one for a sub fee.
ChuckeRearmed
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The thing is that Sony has exclusivity for movie Spider-Man IP, while Disney has exclusivity for game IP. I am not sure how it happened but it did happen. So in order to make Spider-man game, Sony should ask Disney. While in order to use Spider-Man in MCU, Disney should ask Sony. It is weird I know.
Lognor
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You can wait and see all you want. I'm confident once the contracts end that COD will be exclusive to devices where Game Pass exists.
And again, it's the same type of messaging we got prior to the Bethesda acquisition being finalized. And once it was finalized, that is when Spencer said they would put the games on devices where Game Pass exists. You are re-writing history by comparing that statement to what he's said about Activision. Go back and look at when he said it. And then look at the messaging before the acquisition was finalized.
VolticArchangel
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Phil said the same for Bethesda. Kept Elder Scrolls Online on Playstation, and rest exclusive.
He's repeating it with nicely sugarcoated PR lines in his tweet. So it is only Warzone (existing contracts, or even could be for the next 2 games' sponsorship/marketing deal and some timed exclusive dlc content as usual) and the rest of the new upcoming CoD's?
He's repeating it with nicely sugarcoated PR lines in his tweet. So it is only Warzone (existing contracts, or even could be for the next 2 games' sponsorship/marketing deal and some timed exclusive dlc content as usual) and the rest of the new upcoming CoD's?
Loxus
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The jumping depends on if Sony decides to revive Killzone/Resistance or make a new First Person Shooter IP.
Sony's been releasing some high quality AAA exclusives for awhile and if they decide to make a AAA FPS exclusive, COD may be in trouble if it becomes exclusive.
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JLB
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Im waiting for Spiderman to finally get into Xbox. So that makes two human beings patiently waiting.
ps: In reality, I hate superheroes. All of them.
dotnotbot
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I haven't seen any "rest" released yet.
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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aah you talking about games already out on ps sure they will not pull them out. New games? thats completely another story and is really silly to thing that their blockbuster will end on ps ahahsh
hahahahahha like all the historic halo killer coming from their best studios ...guerrilla and Insomniac. Sure
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VolticArchangel
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And we're back to square one.
So you still believe Elder Scrolls 6 and Starfield will come to PS5, even after all their straightforward messaging about it being on Xbox Series X|S and PC only?
Topher
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lol.....your confidence is irrelevant. But fine.....show me the statements Phil Spencer made before the Bethesda deal was done that are the same "type of messaging" we are getting here. Not that bullshit "case by case"nonsense or that "first or best on Xbox". That's not what Phil Spencer said here. Let's see where Phil Spencer expressed a desire to keep Bethesda games on PlayStation. Better yet, show me where Spencer highlighted a single franchise and publicly stated as much.
And if you can show me that then you'll end up exposing Phil Spencer as one of the biggest liars in the industry. Thankfully, he never said anything close to that.
Did I miss the part where Jim Ryan said he wanted to keep Spiderman on Xbox?
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dotnotbot
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And we're back to square one.
So you still believe Elder Scrolls 6 and Starfield will come to PS5, even after all their straightforward messaging about it being on Xbox Series X|S and PC only?
I don't know what I believe, reality is just nothing has released yet. And the fact that new IP (Starfield) is exclusive doesn't mean existing ones will be exclusive. We will know for sure only when they release. No amount of gifs will change that.
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Loxus
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A good percent of COD revenue comes from PlayStation.
PlayStation exclusives lately are unmatched.
PlayStation making a FPS exclusive for PS5 would make PlayStation gamers stay with PlayStation.
As a result of being exclusive and PlayStation having a high quality AAA FPS exclusive, COD revenue and popularity would drop.
No matter how much you laugh and deny, that is the reality.
Loxus
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That was years ago.
Look at PlayStation exclusive now.
SLB1904
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If deviant games nails it. Oh boy.
From Phil's mouth to DJ K's ears:Phil said the same for Bethesda. Kept Elder Scrolls Online on Playstation, and rest exclusive.
He's repeating it with nicely sugarcoated PR lines in his tweet. So it is only Warzone (existing contracts, or even could be for the next 2 games' sponsorship/marketing deal and some timed exclusive dlc content as usual) and the rest of the new upcoming CoD's?
"We have no plans to bring it to any other kind of closed platforms right now, mainly because those closed platforms don't want something like Game Pass."
"when we say we want everybody to be able to play on Xbox, we really mean if we can bring that full experience to a device that players want, we are totally open to those discussions."
Xbox Everywhere: Phil Spencer wants an Xbox app on as many devices as possible
The future of Xbox is about breaking down barriers to focus on player joy and ease of access
IoCaster
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A lot of wild speculation here. I'll try my hand at it. Looking at the timing of the events...
MS buys Acti/Blizz
Sony stock gets hammered (10+% drop is no joke)
Sony needs to get out there and calm the waters (investors)
They talk to Phil and get reassurances about honoring contracts
They then make a statement about MS honoring said contracts
Phil then reiterates that MS will abide by existing contracts and throws in a line about the "desire" to keep CoD multiplat which signals a willingness to negotiate a deal. Doubt the sincerity of that, but whatever.
Basically it looks like a coordinated effort to calm everyone down while things get sorted. I'm inclined to believe that MS will use the same blueprint they've used with the Zenimax buyout. Deals will be honored and then MS will take their shiny new toys and toss them into GP with everything being exclusive other than the existing live service stuff.
MS buys Acti/Blizz
Sony stock gets hammered (10+% drop is no joke)
Sony needs to get out there and calm the waters (investors)
They talk to Phil and get reassurances about honoring contracts
They then make a statement about MS honoring said contracts
Phil then reiterates that MS will abide by existing contracts and throws in a line about the "desire" to keep CoD multiplat which signals a willingness to negotiate a deal. Doubt the sincerity of that, but whatever.
Basically it looks like a coordinated effort to calm everyone down while things get sorted. I'm inclined to believe that MS will use the same blueprint they've used with the Zenimax buyout. Deals will be honored and then MS will take their shiny new toys and toss them into GP with everything being exclusive other than the existing live service stuff.
HoofHearted
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Jigsaah
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I'd like to see it honestly. I'm kinda tired of COD, Destiny and Battlefield. Need something fresh.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It's a literal answer. It's just an answer you don't want to hear.
You infer this based on what, exactly? Why wouldn't they want to? They already give them a 30% cut on games like Minecraft on PlayStation.
Why wouldn't they? Microsoft has the bargaining power in this specific scenario. If it gets them COD remaining multiplatform Sony would say yes. Think like a businessman.
Doesn't matter; the games are still on the platform, by this notion Sony should also have a problem with services like Disney+ and Netflix on their platform since those don't include physical media running natively on their system.
The games being streamed-only would also require a PlayStation Plus subscription, and we're only talking MS 1P games being provided. It's not conceptually different from what Ubisoft + will be for Xbox.
And? This is business. You don't always get what you want, that's why deals involve compromises. The old stuff would most likely be games already made previously available natively for PlayStation in the past, so people can just buy them individually and play them on their system if that's what they truly want.
Lol no it wouldn't; you can do this on PC already. Also Microsoft already provide virtual button mapping for xCloud games, it's not a great undertaking to provide mapping for PlayStation controls. Xcloud is already controller-agnostic as-is.
They would if it meant stripped features. This is a version of GamePass without the 3P AAA and indie games Microsoft secures for their platform, just most of the 1P content provided through streaming. They'll have to make an xCloud-only GamePass eventually anyway for the mobile market, so that automatically creates a favorable workable solution for platforms like PlayStation.
//DEVIL//
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This is clearly as sun. Existing games will still continue to get support. New games ? Get your game pass on switch or ps5 or you won’t even smell these games
kyliethicc
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"Either" is not an answer to the question of would PS5 users playing Forza through GP use an PSN account or an XBN account.
Sony would want to keep everything tied to PSN accounts.
Microsoft would want to keep users on Xbox Network accounts.
The PS users will be using both a PS and an MS account. Just like they are logged into a PS account, and an EA, Epic, Activision, etc. account to play all the big pubs games.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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ZywyPL
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Sony tried, multiple times, but ultimately they failed to create and establish a single popular and recognizable MP franchise, hence they went back to making what they're good at - SP-only games. As much as I'd love to see even just a re-lunch of KZ2 or Res3, those IPs have nothing on CoD.
CoD, and other current MP behemoths for the matter, are build first and foremost with gameplay in mind, everything else is secondary, that's why they're so successful, and Sony who puts emphasis on the visuals @30FPS, cinematics, scripts and melee combad simply doesn't have the expertise to make anything outstanding in the FPS field.
yurinka
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According to MS, AB and Spencer it's the same story of Minecraft and Zenimax. In the SEC filing include the example of Minecraft, where the new games they released after acquisition of the IPs they already had on PS before acquisition (Minecraft Story Mode, Minecraft Dungeons, Quake Remastered and something else I forget, plus updates and dlcs) get also released on PS.
Lognor
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As you said to me, I'll say it to you: Google is your friend.
Spencer's comments can be interpreted a number of ways, but when you go back and look at his messaging pre and post acquisition of Bethesda it makes a lot more sense. When he says he wants to keep Call of Duty on PS is he lying if that is only Warzone? No. Tell me one example where a NEW game developed by a studio that Microsoft owns has gone to PS. Minecraft was there before they acquired Mojang. And it's still there. Same with Fallout 76. But where is Starfield? Nowhere to be seen on PS.
When Spencer says their desire is to keep COD on PS that could mean Warzone, Modern Warfare, Modern Warfare 2, Modern Warfare 3, Black Ops, Black Ops 2, etc etc etc. There are plenty of COD games already on PS and MS is not going to delist them. There you go. There are your COD games on PS that MS will keep on those consoles.
You think you would have learned by now. Denial is a hell of a drug
kyliethicc
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Yeah I don't think Xbox would want to demote their Xbox network account down to that level. Sony would be fine with that sure.
I bet MS would want to keep PSN out of it entirely. Like xCloud on iOS avoids Apple's account system entirely. Sony would want it to be like EA Play on PS is.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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It's gonna be a long 18 months
JLB
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oh, you are one of those who take for granted what ceos and svps say?
I think that mr. ryan is the same duderino who said to believe in generations.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Until the merge is done, nobody is gonna provide a direct statement.
Then on some Xbox show we will have XBOX EXCLUSIVE
Then on some Xbox show we will have XBOX EXCLUSIVE
Topher
Gold Member
And then I googled it for you. What's hilarious is you are telling me to google something I'm saying doesn't exist. You've got nothing. Not going to bother with this until you back up what you are saying.
No, I'm one of those who actually read what is actually said. You didn't in either case.
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ChuckeRearmed
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Exclusives are so unmatched that they are played by only 15-20% of playstation community
Sony is not Nintendo after all.
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Rick Dangerous
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Typically the kind of guy that looks completely fake. Seems to be cool but so corporate.
Microsoft synonyms to Monopoly. It's there strategy in all markets they entered. The rest is pure marketing coated with honey.
Empty as my beer now. I don't know how some here can worship this moron...
Microsoft synonyms to Monopoly. It's there strategy in all markets they entered. The rest is pure marketing coated with honey.
Empty as my beer now. I don't know how some here can worship this moron...
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JLB
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Please tell me where Mr Spencer says that future activision games are going to be released on Playstation.
GigaBowser
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JLB
Banned
“desire”. That word comes with a “but” in the same package. Always.
Let me tell you a thing about life in general. When Microsoft, the draconian corporation by excellence, puts 70billion dollars in cash, upfront, is to have power to dictate conditions.
That was, is and will be Microsoft and any other big corporation.
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Lognor
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Sigh.
I had to do the work for you because your Googling skills are apparently lacking. It took me all of five seconds.
Pre Bethesda acquisition:
Post Betheda acquisition:
You're welcome.
COD will be exclusive to devices that allow Game Pass. Is Sony going to allow Game Pass on PS? If not, no more COD. As simple as that.
Lord Malachite
Member
It's quite possible MS continues to put titles like CoD onto PlayStation long-term. Its a huge seller on all platforms and there is a ton of money to be made. We still don't know the details of Sony's Project Spartacus its not at all unlikely that Sony and MS are in negotiations to bring games from publishers MS has acquired to this future platform--as long as Sony kisses the pinky ring and ponies up the right amount of kickback per download.
It could all possibly fall apart too. There's a lot of moving pieces we don't know about yet.
Will ABK games continue coming to PlayStation long term?
It could all possibly fall apart too. There's a lot of moving pieces we don't know about yet.
Will ABK games continue coming to PlayStation long term?
Topher
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I already referenced those quotes from Stuart in my previous post and you know it. In no way, are those quotes emphatically saying that Microsoft intends to keep a specific franchise such as Call of Duty on PlayStation. That's exactly what Phil Spencer did. That's exactly what Stuart did not do.
HoofHearted
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So many in this thread..
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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N NickFire already basically answered this. It might be a bit inelegant in a way, but it's no different than having a login password for your computer and then a master password login for your web browser, or logins for separate websites.
They could work out a way of syncing a user's Xbox account to their PSN account so they just auto login to the Xbox account when they use the service. More than doable.
That's because Apple wouldn't let Microsoft provide a native app on iOS for xCloud. Otherwise I don't think Microsoft had that particular issue with it.
Besides, Microsoft are the ones providing the service on another company's product; by that notion it's expected any login credentials for their service would be subservient/dependent on the chief login credentials of the hosting platform. That's how every app on Xbox, PlayStation and Nintendo systems operate.
It comes with the territory, and I don't think Microsoft has anywhere near the problem with that as you seem to think they do.
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