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[Vognerful]

This post sums up phil right now. Phil? Is that you?

Sums up as being funny? Or compassionate?

tell me where did I hurt you?

jokes aside, there is no bases to what you accuse Phil of except of wishful thinking, and may I say envy.

 

[Lognor]

You quoted the post where I was talking about MY grammar. Now I'm criticizing your quoting game!

 

[Riky]

From this it looks like your read the blog post, but didn't actually understand it or stopped/skipped the boring bits.

MS are perfectly happy for Sony and Nintendo to have their own store fronts, and expect their own, on xbox, also to be excluded from any regulation. They are hoping to open up the Play and app stores and are willing to "sacrifice" their own store on PC which no one uses anyway.

MS are going to be perfectly happy to pay the cut required to have these subs on the other consoles.

It's not really an end game, all 3 win from this move in reality.

Greater cooperation from the 3 will also keep the likes of Amazon, Google and "Meta" from doing something silly.

You know, like Phil pretty much said 2 weeks ago.

I read it all fine, it's mainly aimed at Apple but they say it's coming to Xbox and therefore why not other console owners, that's how they get Gamepass onto those machines.

 

[Topher]

You quoted the post where I was talking about MY grammar. Now I'm criticizing your quoting game!

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I read it all fine, it's mainly aimed at Apple but they say it's coming to Xbox and therefore why not other console owners, that's how they get Gamepass onto those machines.

Second, some may ask why today’s principles do not apply immediately and wholesale to the current Xbox console store. It’s important to recognize that emerging legislation is being written to address app stores on those platforms that matter most to creators and consumers: PCs, mobile phones and other general purpose computing devices. For millions of creators across a multitude of businesses, these platforms operate as gateways every day to hundreds of millions of people. These platforms have become essential to our daily work and personal lives; creators cannot succeed without access to them. Emerging legislation is not being written for specialized computing devices, like gaming consoles, for good reasons. Gaming consoles, specifically, are sold to gamers at a loss to establish a robust and viable ecosystem for game developers. The costs are recovered later through revenue earned in the dedicated console store.

They don't want it to affect PS or Nintendo because then it would affect them.

 

[SlimySnake]

Even after this you still want to make that bet? You're an odd one lol.

Ban him!

 

[Flutta]

Those are great sentences. Point out the issues, if you can...

Eh lets not go there. I don’t want to embarrass you any further, all i can say is people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[DJ12]

I read it all fine, it's mainly aimed at Apple but they say it's coming to Xbox and therefore why not other console owners, that's how they get Gamepass onto those machines.

Some of it is, points 1 thru 7. they also state that consoles should be excluded as the business models means they are sold at a loss and the store fronts are part of the business model. They plan to include as much as possible of the other points, with no commitment to actually do so.

Something Apple and google cannot argue.

Points 1 to 7 though should just be standard practice anyway.

 

[Riky]

They don't want it to affect PS or Nintendo because then it would affect them.

They say "immediately" it's a long term play. When you're spending and can afford $70 billion you can make long term strategic decisions.

 

[Lognor]

Eh lets not go there. I don’t want to embarrass you any further, all i can say is people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Dude. Look at what you wrote. That glad house thing? Right back at you!

 

[SlimySnake]

Apple and Google. Don't think the likes of Sony and Nintendo are in their aim. The largest cut of gaming revenue is in mobile, the largest sector that is growing is mobile.

Re: consoles storefronts, until Microsoft figures out how it is going to deal with it internally. They aren't going to push for PS and Nintendo HW platforms to be open.

Shouldnt they be buying mobile publishers then?

Thats what Tencent is doing.

Console is their main business and this purchase is mostly about consoles. Candy Crush only accounts for $1 billion out of Activisions's $8 billion in revenue.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

They say "immediately" it's a long term play. When you're spending and can afford $70 billion you can make long term strategic decisions.

Why do you think they're even trying to make the case that console stores should be treated separately?

 

[Riky]

Why do you think they're trying to make the case that console stores should be treated separately?

For now it's in their interest, but the Gamepass play is much longer term than a console generation.

 

[JCK75]

Bobby Kotick seemed to have a bias against Nintendo, wondering if we'll actually get some COD on switch now.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

For now it's in their interest, but the Gamepass play is much longer term than a console generation.

The only time it won't be in their interest is when the console hardware and Xbox store becomes worthless too them. Basically when their dream of hundreds of millions of gamers using gamepass via the cloud comes to fruition

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Kotick can’t sign new deals.
We should be getting COD on Gamepass by 2023.



What year is this?

Maybe Late 2023 when they put COD on Gamepass I’m assuming. They will probably use that as a tool or incentive to try to get more subscriptions for Gamepass.

 

[DJ12]

For now it's in their interest, but the Gamepass play is much longer term than a console generation.

The regulations are being discussed/passed right now, you think with the next gen, should Microsoft partake, they are going to say, actually we've changed our minds, can you please amend these regulations.

MS know the costs involved with making a console, and won't ever argue that walled gardens in this instance should be brought down.

They may argue with Sony and Ninentdo about getting a better deal, but they will never argue that they should be open. That much is already laid out in the text.

 

[adamsapple]

He’s the president in charge of fan hype. He was rallying the troops, tweeting about PlayStation and being vague on purpose. Now he has to watch and make sure that the actual heads of the company get the 70 billion dollar deal they okayed to go through so they’re not humiliated and they’re saying whatever they can to get the deal done.
Who cares if he’s promoted, demoted or given any awards. He finally had to stop talking out of both sides of his mouth.

You’re once again failing to understand. Who gives a shit if the games come to PlayStation? I don’t. This public taming is more than enough. For all the fanboy rallies and phillatio that goes on, he’s now relegated to bystander. You all just fell for his hype because he played everyone on taking away from PlayStation and Nintendo instead of being a creative force who’s shepherding the industry like he pretends to be. Now, he has to let the adults make sure the deal goes through and he’s been muzzled. He and you may get your wish, but you’re going to have to dance for it for the FTC.

Maybe Late 2023 when they put COD on Gamepass I’m assuming. They will probably use that as a tool or incentive to try to get more subscriptions for Gamepass.

I reckon they'll start putting previously released games on GP (not just CoD, but the broader acti-blizzard catalog) a few days once the deal is official, ala Bethesda.

I've been eyeing that Diablo 2 remaster but can wait for it.

 

[laynelane]

Not really.

MS are not really a competitor with gamepass, it's just a service from a third party as far as Sony will be concerned, just like EA Play.

You enjoy strong story driven, high quality games, and onine play included, you buy Sony's offering (should this be what they do)

You want multiplayer or predominately western centric games, then buy gamepass, Sony take a cut, and you still pay for PlayStation plus anyway to play online.

I really don't see any issues here, but today I'm feeling in a positive mood.

EA Play is their own titles, GamePass is multiple developers and publishers. You really think they're equivalent? Again, I am talking about the financial perspective of this.

 

[Swift_Star]

That part is irrelevant. What matters is whatever they're making, they're promised a multi platform release and also pledged their independent publishing of their own games in the same blog post. Their intent and road map is a lot easier to observe/decipher.

Multiplat means pc and ps.

 

[Riky]

The regulations are being discussed/passed right now, you think with the next gen, should Microsoft partake, they are going to say, actually we've changed our minds, can you please amend these regulations.

MS know the costs involved with making a console, and won't ever argue that walled gardens in this instance should be brought down.

They may argue with Sony and Ninentdo about getting a better deal, but they will never argue that they should be open. That much is already laid out in the text.

No because they are talking about "immediately" and Gamepass bypasses the walled garden argument even if you think that Microsoft will keep making hardware after this generation or the next.

 

[PuffyCan]

What if the endgame is not to remove games from PlayStation but to make sure the games comes to xbox? day and date with all DLC available at the same time? And on top of that you add them DAY 1 to Game pass? You remove your competitor advantage while improving your products and keeping the revenue stream, it's a WIN / WIN situation.

Sure they might make some new game exclusive to Xbox / PC, but I can see their strategy being more focused on securing game content for Game Pass while still releasing them on other platforms. Wouldn't be surprised if they try to buy / partner with some japanese publisher with the same MO, keep them multiplatform and add games to Game Pass.

 

[Swift_Star]

The same caveat applies to Bungo. I don't see the problem.

I find funny how your avatar suddenly means nothing.

 

[DJ12]

EA Play is their own titles, GamePass is multiple developers and publishers. You really think they're equivalent? Again, I am talking about the financial perspective of this.

I doubt MS's gamepass offering for PlayStation includes any third party offerings.

Even the PC offering doesn't include everything xboxconsole game pass has.

Why would you think the PlayStation version would?

 

[Swift_Star]

People are just arguing in circles if you are on Playstation or Nintendo you are not getting single player games
Xbox will give them the GAAS COD, Overwatch etc but the new IP and single player games will not come to Playstation or Nintendo
they already shown that when they announce Starfield & Redfall exclusive and also hint at Elder Scrolls 6 being exclusive

Let’s get one thing clear.
- this is what you HOPE happens
- this is not necessarily what will happen.
Just to be sure.

 

[mansoor1980]

the back and forth in this thread.................

 

[adamsapple]

Multiplat means pc and ps.

Sure, if make available can mean new releases, that can mean what you want it to too

 

[Flutta]

Dude. Look at what you wrote. That glad house thing? Right back at you!

 

[Zok310]

Holy Toledo Batman!

"This commitment will even extend to Nintendo, in what looks like a move to position Microsoft as a game publisher across Xbox, PlayStation, PC, and Nintendo Switch, beyond Minecraft and existing Bethesda games."


It's looking like PS5 will be the only plastic box one needs under the TV in the future.

77 billion in 2 years is too much for Phil to rule over, so you right, it’s above him. This is about MS, not Xbox.
They prolly kicking themself asking why they did not do this in 2000 instead of going the hardware route. Being a pub with a shit load of ips always seemed like the best way cause you can put your games every where.

 

[laynelane]

I doubt MS's gamepass offering for PlayStation includes any third party offerings.

Even the PC offering doesn't include everything xboxconsole game pass has.

Why would you think the PlayStation version would?

So, you think a GamePass model solely consisting of MS first party would be what goes on PS?

 

[Swift_Star]

Sure, if make available can mean new releases, that can mean what you want it to too

Sure, if make available can mean new releases, that can mean what you want it to too

I’m just playing the same game you are. Either both of them are releasing games on each other’s platform or both aren’t.
You can’t have it both ways.

 

[DJ12]

No because they are talking about "immediately" and Gamepass bypasses the walled garden argument even if you think that Microsoft will keep making hardware after this generation or the next.

To be fair you raise a good point, I've only been thinking about gamepass being offered through the playstation store.

Although, I'm not to sure MS would care too much about giving Sony a cut. 70-80% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

 

[adamsapple]

I’m just playing the same game you are. Either both of them are releasing games on each other’s platform or both aren’t.
You can’t have it both ways.

I'm not asking to have it both ways, I've only ever commented on how one's messaging is a lot more precise than the other.

You can look up each of my posts in this topic if you want to.

 

[DJ12]

So, you think a GamePass model solely consisting of MS first party would be what goes on PS?

Yes.

Don't you?

Paying for third party content on someone elses platform seems like a terrible waste of money and against some of the ideas they are working towards in their blog post, points 8 - 12 on their storefront plan.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I find funny how your avatar suddenly means nothing.

Microsoft will own Crash though

 

[laynelane]

Yes.

Don't you?

Paying for third party content on someone elses platform seems like a terrible waste of money and against some of the ideas they are working towards in their blog post, points 8 - 12 on their storefront plan.

No, I don't think it will ever appear on PS. Sony has already shown no interest and stated they are creating a competing service. No doubt your idea would be very welcome to those who like MS first party, though.

 

[DJ12]

Microsoft will own Crash though

You do know Universal owned crash, not Sony and/or Naughty Dog before they were purchased.

 

[reksveks]

Shouldnt they be buying mobile publishers then?

Thats what Tencent is doing.

Console is their main business and this purchase is mostly about consoles. Candy Crush only accounts for $1 billion out of Activisions's $8 billion in revenue.

While the Company does sell directly to end consumers in certain instances, such as sales through Blizzard Battle.net, in other instances our customers are platform providers, such as Sony, Microsoft, Google, and Apple, or retailers, such as Walmart and GameStop, who act as distributors of our content to end consumers. For the year ended December 31, 2020, Sony, Apple, Google, and Microsoft were our most significant customers, with revenues of 17%, 15%, 14%, and 11%, respectively. For the years ended December 31, 2019 and 2018, Apple, Google, and Sony were our most significant customers, with revenues of 17%, 13%, and 11%, respectively, for 2019, and 15%, 11%, and 13%, respectively, for 2018. No other customer accounted for 10% or more of our net revenues in those periods.

It's not binary, you can be a mobile and console publisher look at Activision or Square Enix. Square Enix makes as much money off mobile than HD Consoles Gaming.

King/Mobile is the biggest platform for Activision as of this year: ~3bn and from the SEC filing Mobile platform was 29% whilst console was 28%

I haven't looked at what other big mobile publishers also have a reasonable library of IP

 

[SlimySnake]

It's not binary, you can be a mobile and console publisher look at Activision or Square Enix. Square Enix makes as much money off mobile than HD Consoles Gaming.

King/Mobile is the biggest platform for Activision as of this year: ~3bn and from the SEC filing Mobile platform was 29% whilst console was 28%

I haven't looked at what other big mobile publishers also have a reasonable library of IP

Pretty sure king was $1 billion. But they might be including COD mobile in that $3 billion figure which was also $1 billion.

 

[reksveks]

Pretty sure king was $1 billion. But they might be including COD mobile in that $3 billion figure which was also $1 billion.

Doublechecked it; King is 2.58bn and Mobile is 3.12bn (for context Activision is 3.48bn and console is 2.638bn)

Not sure who publishes COD mobile.

 

[dcmk7]

Microsoft will own Crash though

Have you not learnt from your recent bans that your weak trolling doesn't get you very far?

 

[SlimySnake]

Doublechecked it; King is 2.58bn and Mobile is 3.12bn (for context Activision is 3.48bn and console is 2.638bn)

Not sure who publishes COD mobile.

Those figures dont add up. What about Blizzard?

I thought they did $8 billion in revenue that year.

Oh well, King is huge then. That explains this purchase somewhat.

 

[reksveks]

Those figures dont add up. What about Blizzard?

I thought they did $8 billion in revenue that year.

Oh well, King is huge then. That explains this purchase somewhat.

I will graph this out later but breakdown is

Activision: 3.478bn
Blizzard: 1.828bn
King: 2.578bn
Total: 7.886bn

Console: 2.638bn
Mobile: 3.182bn
PC: 2.324bn
Other: 0.660bn

Net revenues from Other primarily includes revenues from our distribution business, the Overwatch League, and the Call of Duty League.

Forgot to add, its why i think SE isn't a bad buy for Sony and no one realise the amount of $$$ SE makes on mobile in japan/asia

 

[reksveks]

From the SEC filing:

2018
iOS: 15%
Android: 11%
PS: 13%
Xbox:<10%

2019
iOS: 17%
Android: 13%
PS: 11%
Xbox:<10%

2020:
iOS: 15%
Android: 14%
PS: 17%
Xbox: 11%
Other: 43%

That PS:Xbox ratio for 2020 is interesting as it's closer than console unit sales. It's like the ubisoft numbers. I would be interested to see what the 2021 numbers are.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Have you not learnt from your recent bans that your weak trolling doesn't get you very far?

You seem very concerned with my bans, you need help bro

 

[Bernd Lauert]

From the SEC filing:

2018
iOS: 15%
Android: 11%
PS: 13%
Xbox:<10%

2019
iOS: 17%
Android: 13%
PS: 11%
Xbox:<10%

2020:
iOS: 15%
Android: 14%
PS: 17%
Xbox: 11%
Other: 43%

That PS:Xbox ratio for 2020 is interesting as it's closer than console unit sales. It's like the ubisoft numbers. I would be interested to see what the 2021 numbers are.

Would be nice to know a Warzone vs not-Warzone split, but I guess we'll never know.

 

[Leyasu]

A lot of fanboys from both sides battling to the death still I see.

To be honest I think that you are both right and wrong. Whilst it is clear that they will continue with cod and “others” (names omitted” going forward, it doesn’t seem so clear cut or not (depending on your point of view or bias).

The part about being interested in Nintendo committed to absolutely fuck-all, and they never mentioned which or what franchises going forward would be multi. What happens if they drop the cod branding?

The biggest red flag though was that whole paragraph of nothing when he talked about why all of their other I.Ps won’t be going multi.

I personally think that every game already in development will launch everywhere, which should take a few years to fulfill. From the end on 2024/2025 we should know more.

At the moment, I am on the fence

 

[LeftThumbstick]

You lost me. When did mlb sell 3 million on Xbox and what are you talking about. I was referring to the post you made about gp being free and ps being $70. It didn’t have any bearing on mlb was my point.

Ah well, your point was indeed stupid then.

I mean i get your point, it isn't "free", but i'll pay exactly $0 more than i already am regardless of what game gets added to it, that includes all of Bethesda games, Activision games and on the 5th of April, MLB 22.

To be honest with you, i see it no different than just paying for XBL like i have for about 14 years at this point, the only difference is that i get 400-ish games and all new first party coming with it... I'm assuming you play on PS though in which case you will pay at least $70 for CoD for example, and thats worth about 7 months of GP.

Ultimately though, you and many other will be directly funding Xbox first party so... Not sure how you think you come out as a winner in that kind of argument.

 

[Topher]

A lot of fanboys from both sides battling to the death still I see.

To be honest I think that you are both right and wrong. Whilst it is clear that they will continue with cod and “others” (names omitted” going forward, it doesn’t seem so clear cut or not (depending on your point of view or bias).

The part about being interested in Nintendo committed to absolutely fuck-all, and they never mentioned which or what franchises going forward would be multi. What happens if they drop the cod branding?

The biggest red flag though was that whole paragraph of nothing when he talked about why all of their other I.Ps won’t be going multi.

I personally think that every game already in development will launch everywhere, which should take a few years to fulfill. From the end on 2024/2025 we should know more.

At the moment, I am on the fence

I think the most telling point made by Microsoft was that the referenced Minecraft as the model they would follow with COD and "others". I certainly think Activision Blizzard will create Xbox exclusive games, but my gut tells me the cash cow that is Call of Duty will remain multiplat in its entirety indefinitely. Probably Diablo and Overwatch as well. After those, I think it gets fuzzier. But I agree it will be two or three years before the picture becomes more clear.

 

[kingfey]

The part about being interested in Nintendo committed to absolutely fuck-all, and they never mentioned which or what franchises going forward would be multi

Spyro and crash comes to mind. MS is in bed with Nintendo. I can see them giving them these games.