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1. Just because you're non-white Hispanic doesn't mean you're Afro-Latino. You can be mestizo or Asian-Latino.

Sure. I mean, I can even be albino. But let's not split hairs here. Racially, I'm black, yes

Also, you're a guy, right? It's somewhat different for us black men.

How so? But you saying this is actually hurting your own argument

2. Studies should suffice when going beyond anecdotal evidence?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550620937937?journalCode=sppa

Penalizing Black hair in the name of academic success is undeniably racist, unfounded, and against the law | Brookings

Howard Henderson and Jennifer Wyatt Bourgeois argue that Black students are disproportionately penalized for natural Black hairstyles and educational leadership must embrace inclusionary policies that end the school-to-prison pipeline.

www.brookings.edu

[Tried to] read both of them. That Brookings one had the word "dismantle" in it, at which point I immediately checked out. Using activist language in a study reduces the academic credibility of said study.

3. I agree that the Act is symbolic because a company or school can say it isn't about the hair but some other thing they can't quite explain. It still goes on... Even after Brown v Board of Education and Civil Rights legislation.

I... I got nothing. This view is not based on statistical reality.

4. Saying it's 2022 doesn't really mean anything... There is still explicit and implicit biases in schools and the workplace against people of color or specifically against black and indigenous peoples. Someone SAYING something doesn't mean it matches with what someone DOES.

It means everything, because in 2022 there are not just actual laws in place against discrimination, there is a giant social incentive to diversify the workplace.

That doesn't mean everyone is now kumbaya ...

Finally, I think we've gotten to the root of the issue. Certain people want a utopia, a flowery world where everyone is playing kumbaya and holding hands under a rainbow. The world does not work in this way.

EVEN SO, with the would not being a utopia, we do have it pretty damn good here in the US. So good, in fact, that it's one reason why people no longer focus on first order problems (food, shelter, etc) so they now have to worry about second/third/fourth order problems, regardless of whether those problems are real or imaginary.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

EVEN SO, with the would not being a utopia, we do have it pretty damn good here in the US. So good, in fact, that it's one reason why people no longer focus on first order problems (food, shelter, etc) so they now have to worry about second/third/fourth order problems, regardless of whether those problems are real or imaginary.

Exactly.

No country or society is perfect. Even if someone found some nice upscale retirement town where the average person has a giant house, is retired and drives a Mercedes, there will still be dumb things going on in town.

But every country (or town or company) has a certain amount of norms. Fit in the norm and things go smooth. Act outside the norm being a rebel and it may be fine or it may backfire. And getting back to the hot topic of hair, that's something no different than any other appearance which is a first impressions thing. No different than dressing sloppy or having face tattoos or tongue studs.

There's a big difference between looks and personality between working at at tattoo parlor (very liberal) vs. working at a bank (very conservative). With most companies somewhere in the middle. I've work at an banking/investment company head office year back and depending on your role some people had to still dress in suit and ties. My role wasnt high so I was business casual with other junior people wearing boring cheap button shirts and dockers pants. ZERO people in the office dressed weird, had loud hair, face piercings or any thing like that.

You can be the smartest Elon Musk dude, but trying to overtake a norm (like corporate culture doing your own thing) is begging to be shot down if you walk into an interview looking wacky. That's just the way it is. No different than people dressing in nice clothes at a nice restaurant or for a job interview. Technically, you can try slumming it hoping they love you enough to offer you a job or dinner, but there's good possibility you'll be shot down in some form.

 

[ipukespiders]

Men are fat, women are plus sized.
Men go bald, women struggle with the autoimmune condition Alopecia.

 

[MaulerX]

Wtf man this bitch some Voldemort level

She totally cracked up when Chris said "He slapped the shit out of me".

Fuck all of them.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Men are fat, women are plus sized.
Men go bald, women struggle with the autoimmune condition Alopecia.

And not just men are fat.

Slobs, beer bellies, dad bod and whatever other description. No holds barred for whatever new term someone can think of for a fat guy.

You never get witty descriptions like this for fat woman.

 

[akimbo009]

And not just men are fat.

Slobs, beer bellies, dad bod and whatever other description. No holds barred for whatever new term someone can think of for a fat guy.

You never get witty descriptions like this for fat woman.

I take dad bod as a term of affection AND attraction

 

[GymWolf]

Edit

 

[Days like these...]

She totally cracked up when Chris said "He slapped the shit out of me".

Fuck all of them.

Apparently she giggled at cuck standing up and being a "man" to defend HIS woman.

 

[Jsisto]

Men are fat, women are plus sized.
Men go bald, women struggle with the autoimmune condition Alopecia.

Before this I always assumed Alopecia was some sort of more severe skin condition effecting the scalp, but all I can find when researching it is it’s the exact same thing as male pattern baldness. I fucking have Alopecia. I get that it’s undoubtedly harder on women, but cmon now. I feel like every famous person I see that “gets Alopecia” has to go through some sort of deep self reflection and broadcast their struggle and vulnerability for sympathy. You’re going bald, shave it off or get a wig and get over yourself.

 

[Airbus Jr]

I dont get people like will smith, rich as fuck, can get almost any girl he wants(except his own wife), gets treated like a dog by her, has a moron son with her and still he stays by her like a little bitch. He's pretty much why the word cuck exists.

Prob because hes a good husband standing up for his wives getting ridiculed in front of everyone?

 

[DeepBreath87]

Prob because hes a good husband standing up for his wives getting ridiculed in front of everyone?

Yeah. When someone makes a mild joke about your wife, you physically assault them. Sounds about right. This coming from the idiot who thinks you’re allowed to sue people if you don’t like their jokes.

You never answered my question. Where do you think the right not-to-be-offended comes from?

 

[Airbus Jr]

Yeah. When someone makes a mild joke about your wife, you physically assault them. Sounds about right. This coming from the idiot who thinks you’re allowed to sue people if you don’t like their jokes.

You never answered my question. Where do you think the right not-to-be-offended comes from?

Never said what will smith did was right

But chris rock also a masive cunt for sayin that

Edit turns out i did some research and this isnt the first time rock targetting jada so hes obviously on to something

Both deserved to be punished for what they did

Have a nice day

 

[Mistake]

Never said what will smith did was right

But chris rock also a masive cunt for sayin that

Edit turns out i did some research and this isnt the first time rock targetting jada so hes obviously on to something

Both deserved to be punished for what they did

Have a nice day

Jada was online right before this saying how she’s so strong and loves her new hair, yet all that goes out the window when someone makes a joke. Chris Rock doesn’t need to be punished for doing his job, and this isn’t the first time a comedian hosted the oscars either.

I get the idea of “fightin’ words,” and this isn’t it. Not even close. But to be honest, I’m not too surprised this happened. I watched more clips of everything that went on that night, and it might as well have been an award show on who is the most immature

 

[DeepBreath87]

Never said what will smith did was right

But chris rock also a masive cunt for sayin that

Edit turns out i did some research and this isnt the first time rock targetting jada so hes obviously on to something

Both deserved to be punished for what they did

Have a nice day

You said he was being a “good husband” by doing what he did. So actually you are saying what Smith did was right. Don’t be a coward and run away from your own words.

 

[Ownage]

And not just men are fat.

Slobs, beer bellies, dad bod and whatever other description. No holds barred for whatever new term someone can think of for a fat guy.

You never get witty descriptions like this for fat woman.

Fatties.

Thicc.

They're simple, effective, and funny.

 

[Ristifer]

Never said what will smith did was right

But chris rock also a masive cunt for sayin that

Edit turns out i did some research and this isnt the first time rock targetting jada so hes obviously on to something

Both deserved to be punished for what they did

Have a nice day

So you want to punish a comedian for telling a joke?

I'll bite. What do you think should be the punishment for Chris Rock then? A stern warning to a comedian about making jokes? You do realize that the more that kind of thing happens, the more the comedian uses that as fuel, right? They double down on it. So, unless you think the slap was justified (which it wasn't), then you're fighting a losing battle here.

 

[Airbus Jr]

So you want to punish a comedian for telling a joke?

I'll bite. What do you think should be the punishment for Chris Rock then? A stern warning to a comedian about making jokes? You do realize that the more that kind of thing happens, the more the comedian uses that as fuel, right? They double down on it. So, unless you think the slap was justified (which it wasn't), then you're fighting a losing battle here.

Not every joke are aceptable

I think i already told you the other day before

 

[Mistake]

And not just men are fat.

Slobs, beer bellies, dad bod and whatever other description. No holds barred for whatever new term someone can think of for a fat guy.

You never get witty descriptions like this for fat woman.

Not sure who you talk to, but I don’t discriminate when it comes to witty descriptions

 

[IbizaPocholo]

 

[Airbus Jr]

You said he was being a “good husband” by doing what he did. So actually you are saying what Smith did was right. Don’t be a coward and run away from your own words.

What he did was wrong (slapping someone on stage)

But i can understand his reason ( a real men standing up for his wives)

 

[jason10mm]

I had another thought...

Jada may have been feeling more positive about herself and her hair enough to go out bald on an international stage... She may have been able to laugh at herself or make jokes at herself about her hair loss... That doesn't mean she's ok with OTHER people doing it.

I'm deaf and have Tourette... I can laugh about both... And if you're close to me and make a joke about it, I'll most likely laugh along with you. But if I don't know you like that, I won't think you're being funny.

Just because I'm starting to feel better about my own condition and maybe occasionally laugh about it... That doesn't mean anyone can joke at your expense.

That also doesn't mean you can punch them for making the joke. Let them know you didn't appreciate it and move on or leave.

Rocks joke is about on the level of someone pointing to you (and you are sitting in the front row of a comedy show) and saying "Hey, you gonna be in CODA 2?"

It's a film joke during a comedy bit at a FILM AWARDS SHOW.

 

[SlimySnake]

But i can understand his reason ( a real men standing up for his wives)

Then why is everyone saying hes a little bitch.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Then why is everyone saying hes a little bitch.

Depends where you lives

When i check US or western europe fb page almost everyone siding with chris rock

But when i check eastern european and asian fb almost everyone siding with will smith for defending his wives honor

 

[Ristifer]

Not every joke are aceptable

I think i already told you the other day before

But you're not answering the question. What punishment should Chris Rock receive, if not a bitch slap?

 

[Airbus Jr]

But you're not answering the question. What punishment should Chris Rock receive, if not a bitch slap?

Unfortunately i dont decide the rules but i do find such things are completly innapropriate and harsh to said to your audience

 

[Ristifer]

Unfortunately i dont decide the rules but i do find such things are completly innapropriate and harsh to said to your audience

Well, no one here decides the rules. I'm just asking hypothetically.

 

[12Goblins]

I've been on this thread from jump... Some on here DID call him a psychopath.

lol that's prob me, not sure, but that's my bad and not what I think of him

for some context, I was initially convinced it was a bit between rock and smith, seeing that in my mind will Smith, who is a veteran in show business, would have to be a "psycho" to lose his shit like that over something so trivial, thinking that we would probably know by this point now if he was a loose cannon.
dude had a bad moment but I'm not a fan that rock and will haven't been able to squash this "misunderstanding" and suggests to Will doesn't regret The Slap

 

[DeepBreath87]

What he did was wrong (slapping someone on stage)

But i can understand his reason ( a real men standing up for his wives)

Being a good husband isn’t wrong though. You’re talking out both sides of your mouth. If your culture encourages slapping people in the face because they make a weak joke about your wife, who is a grown woman, your culture is trash.

 

[Mistake]

lol that's prob me, not sure, but that's my bad and not what I think of him

for some context, I was initially convinced it was a bit between rock and smith, seeing that in my mind will Smith, who is a veteran in show business, would have to be a "psycho" to lose his shit like that over something so trivial, thinking that we would probably know by this point now if he was a loose cannon

Will is unhinged and possibly in a mentally/emotionally abusive relationship. I hope he can get his stuff sorted and be happier

 

[PaddyOCanager]

But when i check eastern european and asian fb almost everyone siding with will smith for defending his wives honor

This wasn't a man defending his wife's honor. This was an insecure, emasculated, manipulated and troubled man lashing out in a moment of weakness. If you care to do so, there's sufficient evidence readily available that establishes a clear picture of what led Will Smith to this moment (going back to his childhood).

Will Smith is a good man who needs therapy. You can have the whole world as your oyster, but it doesn't mean a damn thing if there is trouble in your home, and unresolved trauma from your past. I condemn the man's actions, not the man himself - I hope this horrible event leads to a better path for this man.

Chris Rock straight up did nothing wrong. I have a tremendous amount of respect for how he's handled the situation.

 

[Airbus Jr]

This wasn't a man defending his wife's honor. This was an insecure, emasculated, manipulated and troubled man lashing out in a moment of weakness. If you care to do so, there's sufficient evidence readily available that establishes a clear picture of what led Will Smith to this moment (going back to his childhood).

Will Smith is a good man who needs therapy. You can have the whole world as your oyster, but it doesn't mean a damn thing if there is trouble in your home, and unresolved trauma from your past. I condemn the man's actions, not the man himself - I hope this horrible event leads to a better path for this man.

Chris Rock straight up did nothing wrong. I have a tremendous amount of respect for how he's handled the situation.

Which i already explained in my previous post (most western fb page comments siding with chris rock and attacking will smith for his terible behaviour on stage and lots eastern fb page comments siding with will smith and attacking chris rock for being rude, insensitive and being a clown ) and as you see this rules applied to you aswell as youre taking chris rock side

 

[PaddyOCanager]

Which i already explained in my previous post (most western fb page comments siding with chris rock and attacking will smith for his terible behaviour on stage and lots eastern fb page commenters siding with will smith and attacking chris rock for being rude, insensitive and being a clown ) and as you see this rules applied to you aswell as youre taking chris rock side

There is no "side". What Will Smith did was objectively wrong - straight up illegal. What Chris Rock did is subjectively wrong. Logic beats emotion.

 

[Peggies]

This is so sad. I can't take it.

Will Smith is a bully and his stupid blofeld wive is evil.

 

[Airbus Jr]

There is no "side". What Will Smith did was objectively wrong - straight up illegal. What Chris Rock did is subjectively wrong. Logic beats emotion.

Theres actually massive difference opinion regarding this case when i compare but you refuse to believe it because you only believe your perspective is the only right one

 

[SlimySnake]

Depends where you lives

When i check US or western europe fb page almost everyone siding with chris rock

But when i check eastern european and asian fb almost everyone siding with will smith for defending his wives honor

why am i not surprised.

 

[gela94]

Yeah why is it ok to make fun of male baldness but not female?

BECAUSE women are strong, independent beings! You bigot!!

 

[DeepBreath87]

Which i already explained in my previous post (most western fb page comments siding with chris rock and attacking will smith for his terible behaviour on stage and lots eastern fb page comments siding with will smith and attacking chris rock for being rude, insensitive and being a clown ) and as you see this rules applied to you aswell as youre taking chris rock side

Chris Rock is a clown. Literally. His job is to make jokes. He made a joke at the expense of some grown woman’s hair. If your wife is so fragile that a GI Jane joke forces you to assault a man, your wife is too fragile for public life. You can’t go around hitting everyone who hurts your feelings. This is something children learn. Well, at least children from civilized places.

 

[Airbus Jr]

why am i not surprised.

Heres some comments i gather from arabic and chinese comments ( sory for the poor translations)

"What he said was wrong and unaceptable he should apologise to will's wives"

" Such a clown this guy"

" Making fun of people disease is uneceptable joking or not"

" Will Smith is a real men for that"

"Well deserved for that clown"

"Chris Rock is disgusting and have no maners please get rid of him"

Majority overwhelming support for will smith

The opposite from what you see here on gaf, cnn, daily mail etc

 

[DeepBreath87]

Heres some comments i gather from arabic and chinese comments ( sory for the poor translations)

"What he said was wrong and unaceptable he should apologise to will's wives"

" Such a clown this guy"

" Making fun of people disease is uneceptable joking or not"

" Will Smith is a real men for that"

"Well deserved for that clown"

"Chris Rock is disgusting and have no maners please get rid of him"

Majority overwhelming support for will smith

The opposite from what you see here on gaf, cnn, daily mail etc

Arabic countries? That’s your example? Maybe not the place to go if you’re trying to make a point about the correct way to treat women.

 

[SlimySnake]

Heres some comments i gather from arabic and chinese comments ( sory for the poor translations)

"What he said was wrong and unaceptable he should apologise to will's wives"

" Such a clown this guy"

" Making fun of people disease is uneceptable joking or not"

" Will Smith is a real men for that"

"Well deserved for that clown"

"Chris Rock is disgusting and have no maners please get rid of him"

Majority overwhelming support for will smith

The opposite from what you see here on gaf, cnn, daily mail etc

yeah i mean obviously there is a difference in society standards in first world vs third world countries that still have death penalties for blasphemy, being gay, or you know the country that is currently running concentration camps.

We simply dont believe violence is the answer in a civilized society.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Arabic countries? That’s your example? Maybe not the place to go if you’re trying to make a point about the correct way to treat women.

I already predict you will come up with a derigatory or insulting post regarding peoples cultures that doesnt fit or share the same value as yours

But im gona be the bigger person here and try to respect both sides

 

[K' Dash]

I'm glad that site exists, all that mentally ill people can just stay there.

 

[DeepBreath87]

I already predict you will come up with a derigatory or insulting post regarding peoples cultures that doesnt fit or share the same value as yours

But im gona be the bigger person here and try to respect both sides

Oh you mean you aren’t going to come slap me for saying mean words? Spare me your moralizing nonsense. Again, if your culture is one that encourages or excuses Will Smith’s behavior, it is a bad culture.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

Theres actually massive difference opinion regarding this case when i compare but you refuse to believe it because you only believe your perspective is the only right one

You aren't the representative of the "east's perspective" and the fact that you're posting messages you see on social media as evidence is embarrassing. There are plenty of situations which warrant different perspectives, this isn't one of them. In this country we've established clear rules governing this situation and that's the end of it.

 

[Airbus Jr]

You aren't the representative of the "east's perspective" and the fact that you're posting messages you see on social media as evidence is embarrassing. There are plenty of situations which warrant different perspectives, this isn't one of them. In this country we've established clear rules governing this situation and that's the end of it.

Like i said earlier you persist and believe your perspective is the only right one and i can understand your circumstances

 

[lachesis]

I also noticed that in Asia - Korea, Japan etc... quite a few more seem to think Chris Rock as the perpetrator, he's the bad one.
Although many don't think violence is the answer, they say they would have done the same in Will's shoe. I was quite surprised, honestly.

Cultural differences, I guess. They just don't seem to understand that actually being "joked" on that stage is almost some sort of a nod to be so famous... and that Jada joke was pretty tame and lame.
He even added "Jada, I love you" first -which really means he's just joking.

For them, Chris Rock is just a rude comedian who made joke of little Asian kids while introducing them as future accountants or phone makers on 2016 Oscars... while Will Smith being the examplary success story - so that didn't help either.

I guess they just don't know that real man would have just laughed with the joke and probably add a bit more in "Married with Children" style.
(Then again, many friends/families think I'm an Americanized banana back home.)

 

[DeafTourette]

Rocks joke is about on the level of someone pointing to you (and you are sitting in the front row of a comedy show) and saying "Hey, you gonna be in CODA 2?"

It's a film joke during a comedy bit at a FILM AWARDS SHOW.

That's a tame joke TO ME... What I feel about a joke like that has nothing to do with how Jada felt about the joke Rock said to her...

Something can be a nothingburger to you and me but be highly offensive to someone else that it affects. Not saying he was wrong or right... We all have the right to feel how we feel about something.

 

[strange headache]

I already predict you will come up with a derigatory or insulting post regarding peoples cultures that doesnt fit or share the same value as yours

In case he wasn't clear enough... Arabic countries can go f*ck themselves, preferably with a cactus up their sphincter, for treating women the way they are.
So let's maybe not use "eastern FB" comments as a moral yardstick, especially not in relation to women's rights.

Making harmless jokes about someone's wife clearly is not in the same league as forcing women to cover themselves up in full body condoms, forbidding them to drive cars or use planes by themselves. Physical assault may be okay when it comes to Arabian machismo and their f*cked up religious sense of honor, but it certainly is not in civilized countries.

In many of those countries Jada would already have been severely punished or stoned to death for committing adultery anyway.

 

[RoboFu]

It doesn’t matter if he was right or wrong in doing so what’s completely wrong is they didn’t throw him out.. gave him an award and the peons gave him a standing ovation.

But I guess they could change the script last minute.

 

[jason10mm]

That's a tame joke TO ME... What I feel about a joke like that has nothing to do with how Jada felt about the joke Rock said to her...

Something can be a nothingburger to you and me but be highly offensive to someone else that it affects. Not saying he was wrong or right... We all have the right to feel how we feel about something.

See, I would side with you a bit more if it was JADA that walked up there, slapped Rock, and then left or whatever. But it was WILL, so Jada's feelings were largely unknown to him since I don't think she told him anything between the joke and him walking up there. He interpreted her body language at best (and this was all pre-planned at worst). He then supposedly refused the managers request to leave (if you beleive that statement) and went on to gush about his award.

Besides, the "reasonable persons interpretation" IS relevant here, as that is what a jury would use if this were to go to court. Would a reasonable person think that joke said at that event to that person justifies someone ELSE walking up to slap Rock? I gotta think that no, the reasonable person doesn't go there.