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[assurdum]

John says he still plays Elden Ring on Xbox due to the larger VRR range and forcing 120hz option.
Also confirms again that Halo Infinite does support VRR after all, it's the game itself that causes issues.

Even forcing 120hz from what I knew you don't fix drops below 48 FPS with 120hz and VRR. Maybe it's a bit better but isn't it exactly a dramatic improvement 40 FPS at 120hz. The improvement it's just compared locked 30 FPS.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

I was unaware that there were issues with local dimming and VRR on an LCD screen, thankfully I have an OLED, but that would be a deal-breaker for me.

I was aware of this but surprised that suddenly df is also when earlier they mentioned vrr in almost every videos for 1.5 year ;d

 

[jaysius]

About the 2 hour trial that's "forced" wait and see on this, Playstation is infamous for having programs and perks that they drop quickly when it becomes an issue. They'll drop it and keep the price up, while people cry out they'll ignore you.

Trials were a perk of PS PLUS ages ago, but that got dropped too.

 

[adamsapple]

If VRR it's activated the frequency profile can cause issue on BC mode, doesn't matter if not works for PS4 games. My wild guess VRR can't work for the PS4 games because they use the "past" hdmi format.

Huh that's new info for me. Good to know.

 

[DeepEnigma]

About the 2 hour trial that's "forced" wait and see on this, Playstation is infamous for having programs and perks that they drop quickly when it becomes an issue. They'll drop it and keep the price up, while people cry out they'll ignore you.

Trials were a perk of PS PLUS ages ago, but that got dropped too.

Bro, we don’t even know if it really exists or was exploratory. It was never officially announced, and had nothing to do with the original tier announcements.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Bro, we don’t even know if it really exists or was exploratory. It was never officially announced, and had nothing to do with the original tier announcements.

Time limited trials?

They are in the marketing of the new tiers.

 

[j0hnnix]

50+ posts but Riky has already shut the thread down on the third post. Thread should be closed..

 

[DeepEnigma]

Time limited trials?

They are in the marketing of the new tiers.

Show me the official marketing of those tiers, because it wasn’t there a month ago when they announced the tiers, and this place is acting like this is new news from the supposed leak last week.

Not saying it won’t be there, but the way people are losing their minds over this, lol.

 

[Mr Moose]

Show me the official marketing of those tiers, because it wasn’t there a month ago when they announced the tiers, and this place is acting like this is new news from the supposed leak last week.

Not saying it won’t be there, but the way people are losing their minds over this, lol.

PlayStation Plus Premium**​

Benefits

• Provides all the benefits from Essential and Extra tiers
• Adds up to 340* additional games, including:
  • PS3 games available via cloud streaming
  • A catalog of beloved classic games available in both streaming and download options from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations
• Offers cloud streaming access for original PlayStation, PS2, PSP and PS4 games offered in the Extra and Premium tiers in markets** where PlayStation Now is currently available. Customers can stream games using PS4 and PS5 consoles, and PC.***
• Time-limited game trials will also be offered in this tier, so customers can try select games before they buy.

Doesn't say how long the trials are though.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Show me the official marketing of those tiers, because it wasn’t there a month ago when they announced the tiers, and this place is acting like this is new news from the supposed leak last week.

Not saying it won’t be there, but the way people are losing their minds over this, lol.

It's right in the original blog post:

UPDATE: All-new PlayStation Plus launches in June with 700+ games and more value than ever

PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now come together; players can choose from three flexible options.

blog.playstation.com

Time-limited game trials will also be offered in this tier, so customers can try select games before they buy.

And in the marketing:

PlayStation®Plus | Hundreds of games to download and play, PlayStation classics, game trials and more

Join PlayStation Plus on an Essential, Extra or Premium membership plan and get hundreds of PS4 and PS5 games, online multiplayer, classics catalog, exclusive discounts and more.

www.playstation.com

Get all benefits from the other plans, time-limited game trials

 

[jaysius]

Bro, we don’t even know if it really exists or was exploratory. It was never officially announced, and had nothing to do with the original tier announcements.

Source Had to use wayback machine because Sony got rid of the original page, but LOL!

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PlayStation's premium game membership supplies you with an instant collection of blockbuster games, cloud saves, discounts, and much more, for less than $5 a month.

• Instant Game Collection Access - Popular titles such as Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One, inFamous 2, LittleBigPlanet 2, Saints Row 2, Virtua Fighter 5, are just a few examples of the many PlayStation 3 and PS Vita games, that have been available on demand and to play as long as you are a PlayStation Plus subscriber. See what's available now in the Instant Game Collection by visiting the PlayStation Plus page.
• PlayStation 4, PlayStation 3 and PS Vita Supported - Your PlayStation Plus membership applies to both PS4, PS3 AND PS Vita. It's like two memberships for the price of one! For more information on PS Plus for PS Vita features, click here.
• Discounts - Save money on select PlayStation®Store purchases with limited time, rotating discounts from 20-80% off.
• Full Game Trials - A great way to try before you buy - play a game for up to one hour, then purchase the game to unlock your trophies and continue your progress.
• Online Multi-player PS4 - Access to online multi-player on the PS4.
• Online Storage - Access to online Cloud game save storage (Up to 3GB).
• Exclusive Offers - Access to select avatars, themes, and other items other folks can't get.
• Select Early Demos - Get early access to select demos before anyone else.
• Priority Beta Invitations - You'll be the first to receive invitations on select Betas.

Convenient bad memory is hilarious though. Keep going.

So to my ORIGINAL POINT.

They've marketed perks before that they've QUICKLY DROPPED and people HAVE forgotten about.

IN FACT, this is the same old song and dance they did 8 years ago.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's right in the original blog post:

UPDATE: All-new PlayStation Plus launches in June with 700+ games and more value than ever

PlayStation Plus and PlayStation Now come together; players can choose from three flexible options.

blog.playstation.com

And in the marketing:

PlayStation®Plus | Hundreds of games to download and play, PlayStation classics, game trials and more

Join PlayStation Plus on an Essential, Extra or Premium membership plan and get hundreds of PS4 and PS5 games, online multiplayer, classics catalog, exclusive discounts and more.

www.playstation.com

Lol, so why the fuck were people losing their minds last week like it was the first they heard of it?

We clown too much.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Lol, so why the fuck were people losing their minds last week like it was the first they heard of it?

We clown too much.

It wasn't known that devs were required to let Sony put out a 2 hour trial of their game (if it's of the $60+ variety.)

The "forcing" + charging money for it is what is irking some people.

People really should just wait for it all to pan out and for more info to come out though. If devs aren't screaming about this, then why should consumers? It's just a perk of a membership.. I find it odd it's locked behind the highest tier personally and kindof find that highest tier a bit comical in general but it's not harming devs lol

 

[jaysius]

It wasn't known that devs were required to let Sony put out a 2 hour trial of their game (if it's of the $60+ variety.)

The "forcing" + charging money for it is what is irking some people.

People really should just wait for it all to pan out and for more info to come out though.

It'll be dropped less than a year into the perk.

No worries from anyone, nobody will remember it then either, you'll be paying for another promised then lied about perk.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It'll be dropped less than a year into the perk.

No worries from anyone, nobody will remember it then either, you'll be paying for another promised then lied about perk.

So stop crying and don’t buy that tier. Like I plan not to.

 

[jaysius]

So stop crying and don’t buy that tier. Like I plan not to.

I proved you 100% wrong about my original point, and that's the best ad hominem response you can muster?

The issue isn't me paying/not paying. It's that what I'm saying is based on historical FACT. I know facts are hard to deal with, it's much easier to create your own.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I proved you 100% wrong about my original point, and that's the best ad hominem response you can muster?

The issue isn't me paying/not paying. It's that what I'm saying is based on historical FACT. I know facts are hard to deal with.

You win at the internet today, sir!

It’s not that, it’s just every one of your posts are always a paragon of negativity.

*waits for the laugh or empathy emoji*

 

[jaysius]

You win at the internet today, sir!

It’s not that, it’s just every one of your posts are always a paragon of negativity.

*waits for the laugh or empathy emoji*

Hyperbole is your strong suit.

Not EVERY SINGLE one of my posts are a "paragon of negativity", just the ones you're cherry picking in your mind.

 

[tommib]

Get a room you two.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Get a room you two.

You gonna join us?

Hyperbole is your strong suit.

Not EVERY SINGLE one of my posts are a "paragon of negativity", just the ones you're cherry picking in your mind.

But I like cherries. Especially the Rainier ones.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Get a room you two.

Sony removed rooms from Playstation Home YEARS ago!

 

[jaysius]

Sony removed rooms from Playstation Home YEARS ago!

I'm still waiting for that room where I can view my trophies in 3D, it's what brought the whole "trophy" branding around.

Remember that Catfishing nonsense people would do on there? Ralphing or something?

Home was a fun experiment. We need it or something like 1vs100(xbox 360) back.

 

[tommib]

You gonna join us?

You know me too well already - of course I would join! Proud slut here.

 

[JimboJones]

step 1: update comes out
step 2: digital foundry
step 3: ?
step 4: mad because df didn't do a video on a video on a video

Mad when they don't do a video then mad when they do a video.

 

[OverHeat]

900watts GPU day 1 for me!

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm still waiting for that room where I can view my trophies in 3D, it's what brought the whole "trophy" branding around.

Remember that Catfishing nonsense people would do on there? Ralphing or something?

Home was a fun experiment. We need it or something like 1vs100(xbox 360) back.

Seriously. Home being revived in VR would be a killer app. Especially if people can have their own liveries, etc, like VR Chat.

 

[nominedomine]

John says he still plays Elden Ring on Xbox due to the larger VRR range and forcing 120hz option.
Also confirms again that Halo Infinite does support VRR after all, it's the game itself that causes issues.

Dude probably plays on Xbox because he started there, how is he going to transfer his save? Was he going to start again on PS because of VRR but decided not too due to the 8hz difference in the min range?

Xbox fans were praising VRR even on games where it didn't work, goes to show how this stuff works. Now it ain't about PS5 not having VRR is about the VRR min range and the LFC or some other thing.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dude probably plays on Xbox because he started there, how is he going to transfer his save? Was he going to start again on PS because of VRR but decided not too due to the 8hz difference in the min range?

Xbox fans were praising VRR even on games where it didn't work, goes to show how this stuff works. Now it ain't about PS5 not having VRR is about the VRR min range and the LFC or some other thing.

LFC, the next acronym war.

 

[yamaci17]

 

[tommib]

LFC, the next acronym war.

Don't even know what it means or what it does. Prefer the ignorance.

 

[jaysius]

Don't even know what it means or what it does. Prefer the ignorance.

LFC= Low Framerate Compensation. It allows you to have a lower framerate but keeps thing looking super smooth, yea this is over simplified but it's basically what it does. It works with VRR.

 

[Captain Toad]

John says he still plays Elden Ring on Xbox due to the larger VRR range and forcing 120hz option.
Also confirms again that Halo Infinite does support VRR after all

Good grief, you're sad.

 

[adamsapple]

Don't even know what it means or what it does. Prefer the ignorance.

Linger Ficking Cood

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

900watts GPU day 1 for me!

 

[tommib]

Linger Ficking Cood

See, that sounds much more interesting.

 

[adamsapple]

900watts GPU day 1 for me!

User name checks out.

 

[adamsapple]

Dude probably plays on Xbox because he started there, how is he going to transfer his save? Was he going to start again on PS because of VRR but decided not too due to the 8hz difference in the min range?

Xbox fans were praising VRR even on games where it didn't work, goes to show how this stuff works. Now it ain't about PS5 not having VRR is about the VRR min range and the LFC or some other thing.

We've seen enough posts around various topics from people saying they stopped playing X game on console because they started it on PC or something with much better performance, so that is not the most surprising thing in the first place.

And I'm not sure which game people were praising non-existent VRR in. If this is a slight towards Halo: Infinite, the VRR not kicking in with the 120hz has been known since the first DF video around the campaign launch, and the 60hz mode is 99.7% locked to 60 FPS anyway so there's hardly any drops there at all to observe (source: VGTech).

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Other than that as I mentioned on a post in the last page, Elden Ring has plenty frequent drops below the 48 FPS range on PS5 where the VRR stops working, so anything below that will be just as juddery as if there was no VRR in the first place, so John's comment isn't wrong. Both Series X and PS5's lowest recorded FPS in Elden Ring is 42 FPS (again, source: VGTech) so it doesn't leave the VRR range on Xbox at all. Hence the perceived smoother experience in stress areas.

The one thing VRR does not fix, however, are the massive frame time spikes so even if you're within the FPS range, there will still be *some* obvious judder like crowded areas in Cyberpunk or even places in Elden Ring I bet.

 

[ParaSeoul]

''what insomniac is doing here is the perfect example of what VRR should offer''

lol i guess my man riki gloss over that part

He could have easily have just compared it to the VRR offerings on Microsofts first party single player games with ray tracing

 

[Shmunter]

But the PS4 games (BC games essentially) don't even utilize VRR as per John in this video (and I'm sure elsewhere).

I imagine they're following the rigid hdmi forum limit, and Xbox may have done some more custom implementation to have a lower VRR threshold.

PS4 games on ps5 don’t drop any frames so it’s all a bit moot. However, if some patching were to be done to unlock the BC framerates then it could be useful.

 

[Riky]

Also, funny comment from Alex regarding Bloodborne, said that it would run better on Xbox because of its VRR implementation, lol. Glad John schooled him on that

Alex is right, it's not to do with VRR but the fact that the game suffers from frametime spikes, so running it at 120hz would soften those, it wouldn't totally fix it but it would run better that way, Rich steps in and clarifies.

 

[I Master l]

The current PS5 VRR implementation is basically useless for most situations

 

[PropellerEar]

+ Elden Ring runs better on PS5 no?

Always did...
Those loading times

 

[Shmunter]

The current PS5 VRR implementation is basically useless for most situations

Haven't even bothered to unplug my PSVR to test it. Can't think of a single title to play where it's beneficial.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Enjoyed this week's show. Poor Alex wounded about PC gaming. I feel his pain slightly, must be rough being dedicated to his level to the platform and seeing less than steller support from studios and publishers.

Hopefully it gets sorted soon.

 

[Shmunter]

Enjoyed this week's show. Poor Alex wounded about PC gaming. I feel his pain slightly, must be rough being dedicated to his level to the platform and seeing less than steller support from studios and publishers.

Hopefully it gets sorted soon.

Jim to the rescue?!

 

[tommib]

Always did...
Those loading times

As someone without a VRR TV I’m very glad I’m getting the best Elden Ring console experience on my PS5, by far.

 

[STARSBarry]

So I bought a RM1000x PSU for future proofing...

What the fuck kind of future is this shit? Yeah I think going forward I will be more closely looking at my power draw, need a good balance.

 

[DenchDeckard]

So I bought a RM1000x PSU for future proofing...

What the fuck kind of future is this shit? Yeah I think going forward I will be more closely looking at my power draw, need a good balance.

I bought the same psu and now I'm thinking I should have got a 1200 or higher. Crazy shit.

 

[GymWolf]

900w for the gpu alone is a joke isn't?!

 

[GymWolf]

So I bought a RM1000x PSU for future proofing...

What the fuck kind of future is this shit? Yeah I think going forward I will be more closely looking at my power draw, need a good balance.

I was about to buy a damn 750w before switching to a 1000w.

Thank god i still didn't bought anything in the end because this news is some absurd shit...