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[xHunter]

Such a weird thing to do. Seems to me like the system takes your active subscriptions price (or the price you paid) and calculates the difference to the highest tier.

I wonder what happens when the people that have this problem add 1 month of PS+ at full price, maybe that sets the current subcription to a full price one.

 

[Belthazar]

Receipts then. In this context I'd be expecting a statute that says its against the law not to sell someone an upgrade at the price the buyer desires.

And to be clear, if my last sub was bought on Black Friday (probably was) and they charge me extra to upgrade (if I take the plunge) for that reason, I'll be pissed and will immediately cancel the transaction until and reconsider when my sub expires. But being mad and having legal recourse are two different things. Sony does not have to sell me things at prices I desire. Just like I don't have to buy things at prices they desire.

They sold me product x for 75% of the price normally practiced, without ever mentioning any kind of differences between my version of product x and the version owned by people who paid 100% for product x. There were no caveats in the deal made, the product I acquired was offered as equal to the one purchased at full price.

Product x now has a new characteristic, which is the upgrade path for a new tier of service. But now my product is worth less on that process, which was never mentioned as a possibility when I made the transaction (which was a time when Sony inevitably knew of a new tier and upgrade paths). That's considered inducing the customer to error, by not informing that a possible future conversion would not be done by the value of the product, but the discounted price instead.

Inducing a customer to error is considered embezzlement by the Brazilian penal code. They lead me to make a purchase due to a reduced price without informing my purchase would not have the same value than a full priced purchase and the discount would be forfeited should I want to do an upgrade they already knew would come. It would be the same as making someone pay $50 for a $10 next-gen upgrade if the person bought the PS4 version of the game for $20, it would be illegal unless the customer was informed at the time of purchase that a future conversion would consider the price paid and not the global value of the product.

 

[Bojanglez]

It's A, which is what people either don't understand or are deliberately ignoring.

So if you bought it from a 3rd party reseller and they didn't know the price you paid, the discount issue isn't an issue?

I can see the lack of nuance is annoying, like personally I'd like them to stack my 2 years of PS+ and 2 years of PS Now into 2 years of ultimate, but if they take the piss I'll just vote with my wallet.

 

[Zok310]

Honestly, it is insane how petty Sony is to get their money.

"For the Payers?"

They can do it because none of their console rivals offers a better value.

 

[Crayon]

They sold me product x for 75% of the price normally practiced, without ever mentioning any kind of differences between my version of product x and the version owned by people who paid 100% for product x. There were no caveats in the deal made, the product I acquired was offered as equal to the one purchased at full price.

Product x now has a new characteristic, which is the upgrade path for a new tier of service. But now my product is worth less on that process, which was never mentioned as a possibility when I made the transaction (which was a time when Sony inevitably knew of a new tier and upgrade paths). That's considered inducing the customer to error, by not informing that a possible future conversion would not be done by the value of the product, but the discounted price instead.

Inducing a customer to error is considered embezzlement by the Brazilian penal code. Tey lead me to make a purchase due to a reduced price without informing my purchase would not have the same value than a full priced purchase and the discount would be forfeited should I want to do an upgrade they already knew would come. It would be the same as making someone pay $50 for a $10 next-gen upgrade if the person bought the PS4 version of the game for $20, it would be illegal unless the customer was informed at the time of purchase that a future conversion would consider the price paid and not the global value of the product.

This is the crazy part. They present it like you are getting the normal thing for a discount but really you are getting some different version with different rules.

 

[bender]

So if you bought it from a 3rd party reseller and they didn't know the price you paid, the discount issue isn't an issue?

It's doubtful Sony knows what you paid from a 3rd party and even less doubtful they'd be able to implement that data into their backend if they did have it. /my assumption

 

[NickFire]

They sold me product x for 75% of the price normally practiced, without ever mentioning any kind of differences between my version of product x and the version owned by people who paid 100% for product x. There were no caveats in the deal made, the product I acquired was offered as equal to the one purchased at full price.

Product x now has a new characteristic, which is the upgrade path for a new tier of service. But now my product is worth less on that process, which was never mentioned as a possibility when I made the transaction (which was a time when Sony inevitably knew of a new tier and upgrade paths). That's considered inducing the customer to error, by not informing that a possible future conversion would not be done by the value of the product, but the discounted price instead.

Inducing a customer to error is considered embezzlement by the Brazilian penal code. Tey lead me to make a purchase due to a reduced price without informing my purchase would not have the same value than a full priced purchase and the discount would be forfeited should I want to do an upgrade they already knew would come. It would be the same as making someone pay $50 for a $10 next-gen upgrade if the person bought the PS4 version of the game for $20, it would be illegal unless the customer was informed at the time of purchase that a future conversion would consider the price paid and not the global value of the product.

I applaud your effort. If you have a statute that supports it maybe you win. Absent that, I think it fails legally simply because: "There were no caveats in the deal made, the product I acquired was offered as equal to the one purchased at full price."

That second sentence you wrote is their shield IMO. You still have what you actually paid for.

 

[yurinka]

That’s not what’s going on. But continue spinning it to defend it.

It's exactly what is going on: Sony offers an upgrade option so people who already didn't 'upgrade' before release can do it now instead of makin them pay the full premium.

But some people who stacked Plus with discounts (plus very 'concerned' Sony haters) are complaining because they want to have a cheaper upgrade price because of reasons.

 

[Elios83]

What's the shitstorm? People that haven't paid for a service that didn't exist, now have to pay for a service now it exists?

I'm saying this as a person that has a couple of years of PS+ and PS Now stacked. I'm not sure what the contraversy is?

If I understood things correctly, if you already got Plus subscriptions at a discounted price they're only honoring the conversion to the equivalent basic tier without incurring in extra fees.
If you want to upgrade to a higher tier, the system is somehow able to recognize if your code belongs to a discounted offer and in that case you have to pay the extra money required to reach the full price of the tier you want to subscribe to.
So you're basically losing the discount you got on the old Plus service. If people stacked for many years this can be a boomerang in their face.

It's obviously legit but it's a move totally focused on profits so it's not meant to generate goodwill (which doesn't surprise me given that part of the business plan is probably based not so much on growth but on converting a good chunk of the current 50m users to more profitable tiers).

 

[ckaneo]

This is honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. How could Sony possibly think this was acceptable? Jim Ryan era has been TERRIBLE

 

[Belthazar]

I applaud your effort. If you have a statute that supports it maybe you win. Absent that, I think it fails legally simply because: "There were no caveats in the deal made, the product I acquired was offered as equal to the one purchased at full price."

That second sentence you wrote is their shield IMO. You still have what you actually paid for.

I paid for a year of ps+ and all ps+ customers were converted to ps+ essentials, but mine is now inferior because the value to upgrade is an intrinsic characteristic of the product. I don't have what I paid for, I paid for an equal product than others and I don't have that anymore if they follow through with that.

And if you're curious about how strong brazilian customer protection laws are then just take a look at the case when Sony banned PS5 consoles for sharing/selling the PS+ Collection with others and Brazil was the only country that forced Sony to unban consoles due to considering the ban illegal, as not only was the ban an unfair disadvantage to the consumer but also that Sony wasn't clear on the disproportionately negative repercussion for sharing the benefits to others. Sony was also fined and had to pay the defendant's lawyer costs.

There were also cases where Sony was forced to give back access to the games on permanently banned accounts, as the justice considered illegal for Sony to remove access for legally purchased games regardless of what the customer did with the console/account. On those specific cases Sony had to restore access to all purchased games and was only able to revoke access to online features like multiplayer, new purchases and communications from the account.

 

[Thief1987]

The worse half of it is the part where you have to pay to upgrade your entire stacked time. That is just nuts. Like let people upgrade a year at a time. They can probably afford the $20 to... Pay back the discount... (God, that is insane), but people who can't afford 3,4,500 up front to upgrade are fucked over and out.

Edit: wait a sec, can they buy a year of premium stand alone and have that active ahead of their stacked essential subs?

I think their backend just can't handle this lol, that's why it's all or nothing.

 

[Bojanglez]

It's doubtful Sony knows what you paid from a 3rd party and even less doubtful they'd be able to implement that data into their backend if they did have it. /my assump

If I understood things correctly, if you already got Plus subscriptions at a discounted price they're only honoring the conversion to the equivalent basic tier without incurring in extra fees.
If you want to upgrade to a higher tier, the system is somehow able to recognize if your code belongs to a discounted offer and in that case you have to pay the extra money required to reach the full price of the tier you want to subscribe to.
So you're basically losing the discount you got on the old Plus service. If people stacked for many years this can be a boomerang in their face.

It's obviously legit but it's a move totally focused on profits so it's not meant to generate goodwill (which doesn't surprise me given that part of the business plan is probably based not so much on growth but on converting a good chunk of the current 50m users to more profitable tiers).

Well I'm glad they'll never know what I paid, and that in their system I just purchased 12 month subs at full price.

I didn't mind companies making profits, but it would be nice if they realised people did simultaneously sub for ps+ and PS Now and may want to stack. If not I'll see how they reconcile it and judge of it's worth paying the upgrade fee for the additional years is that's how they calculate it. I bought almost all PS1 games so I'm glad they seem to be respecting those as cross-buy (shamefully robbing xbox's patented ability to sell the same game across platform )

 

[ManaByte]

It's exactly what is going on: Sony offers an upgrade option so people who already didn't 'upgrade' before release can do it now instead of makin them pay the full premium.

But some people who stacked Plus with discounts (plus very 'concerned' Sony haters) are complaining because they want to have a cheaper upgrade price because of reasons.

So the disingenuous defense continues. Try reading the thread next time. No one is asking for a discounted upgrade price.

 

[ManaByte]

So if you bought it from a 3rd party reseller and they didn't know the price you paid, the discount issue isn't an issue?

It's only an issue if you took advantage of the PSN discount price, which Sony now wants to be reimbursed for.

Buying a discounted card still redeems the card as a $60 card on PSN, so that's not a problem.

 

[yurinka]

What's the shitstorm? People that haven't paid for a service that didn't exist, now have to pay for a service now it exists?

I'm saying this as a person that has a couple of years of PS+ and PS Now stacked. I'm not sure what the contraversy is?

If I understood things correctly, if you already got Plus subscriptions at a discounted price they're only honoring the conversion to the equivalent basic tier without incurring in extra fees.
If you want to upgrade to a higher tier, the system is somehow able to recognize if your code belongs to a discounted offer and in that case you have to pay the extra money required to reach the full price of the tier you want to subscribe to.
So you're basically losing the discount you got on the old Plus service. If people stacked for many years this can be a boomerang in their face.

It's obviously legit but it's a move totally focused on profits so it's not meant to generate goodwill (which doesn't surprise me given that part of the business plan is probably based not so much on growth but on converting a good chunk of the current 50m users to more profitable tiers).

If you have active both Plus and Now subs once the service releases in your region you'll be migrated to Premium using as the expiration date the longer of the two you had. So this 'controversy' doesn't affects you.

If you only have Plus sub active when released in your region, you'll get PS Plus Essential with the same expiration date you had.

If you want to move to a higher tier you'll have two options: to pay the full higher tier or to use an upgrade offer that Sony has: instead of paying the full fee of the new tier, you'll pay the difference betwen you paid for plus and the price of the other tier. Example where you want to migrate from Essential to Premium exactly 1 year:

-A year of Premium costs 120$ and let's say you bought that year at $60, its normal price. You'll have to pay the remaining $60 to reach to this $120.
-Same case but you bought the year of Plus with -20% off discount at a cdkeys store: you paid $48, so to reach $120 you'll have to pay $72.

After the release, the price of Premium is $120/year. If you are upgrading from Plus/Essential, remove what you paid for a year of Plus/Essential from these $120/year.

You can think: ok it's fine, I get a year of Premium for $72 instead of $60, but it's still way less than $120.

But apparently there are people who only had PS Plus and stacked until 2043. If that people would have got a month of Now last week, now would have Premium until 2043 for only $10 or so. But now wants to upgrade these 21 years and complains that to pay (assuming a 20% discount) 72*21=$1575 is too expensive, when without the upgrade plan the price would be $2520. And wants Sony to have a cheaper upgrade deal pricing: they want Sony to apply the same pricing as if wouldn't have bought the Plus discounted, or what is the same, to apply them in the upgrade deal the same discount they had when bought plus. They are asking to be charged 60x21=$1260.

 

[ckaneo]

It's only an issue if you took advantage of the PSN discount price, which Sony now wants to be reimbursed for.

Buying a discounted card still redeems the card as a $60 card on PSN, so that's not a problem.

Not necessarily. There seems to be some official discounted cards going around that will be flagged.

In other words people who bought it legit are the ones punished lol

 

[ManaByte]

Not necessarily. There seems to be some official discounted cards going around that will be flagged.

In other words people who bought it legit are the ones punished lol

And it's amazing how some people on this very thread page seem fine with that and are defending it.

 

[Batiman]

Probably some kind of mistake. If not that’s pretty shitty ngl

 

[Elios83]

If you have active both Plus and Now subs once the service releases in your region you'll be migrated to Premium using as the expiration date the longer of the two you had. So this 'controversy' doesn't affects you.

If you only have Plus sub active when released in your region, you'll get PS Plus Essential with the same expiration date you had.

If you want to move to a higher tier you'll have two options: to pay the full higher tier or to use an upgrade offer that Sony has: instead of paying the full fee of the new tier, you'll pay the difference betwen you paid for plus and the price of the other tier. Example where you want to migrate from Essential to Premium exactly 1 year:

-A year of Premium costs 120$ and let's say you bought that year at $60, its normal price. You'll have to pay the remaining $60 to reach to this $120.
-Same case but you bought the year of Plus with -20% off discount at a cdkeys store: you paid $48, so to reach $120 you'll have to pay $72.

After the release, the price of Premium is $120/year. If you are upgrading from Plus/Essential, remove what you paid for a year of Plus/Essential from these $120/year.

I don't think the wall of text is needed here.
The situation is simple, they're not honoring discounted Plus subscriptions to migrate to higher tiers of the new service at standard prices.If you want a higher tier you have to pay full price for it so the exact difference compared to what you paid on the old Plus subscription is calculated. You have to give the discount back.
It's legit because it's a new service but obviously it's really greedy and they won't earn goodwill with this stuff.

Personally I'm not even always subscribed to Plus, I got one month in April to get help in Elden Ring lol so this is not affecting me, but people who stacked for many years (at their risk...) now will get a full boomerang effect because I don't think they can pay for the upgrade for just a year unless they sort this out and introduce more payment options.

 

[reksveks]

What's the shitstorm? People that haven't paid for a service that didn't exist, now have to pay for a service now it exists?

I'm saying this as a person that has a couple of years of PS+ and PS Now stacked. I'm not sure what the contraversy is?

If you bought ps plus for 12 months at a normal time, you would have to play ~50 quid to go to Premium.

If you bought it during BF via the PS store (
https://www.hotukdeals.com/share-deal/3826232), you would have to pay 66 quid.

If you bought this in November 2021, you have no clue that there would have been a difference in the two (normal price and BF pricing).

 

[ckaneo]

Probably some kind of mistake. If not that’s pretty shitty ngl

It's not a mistake, it's intentional because people didnt even realize they were tracking discounts until they just announced that they were

 

[NickFire]

I paid for a year of ps+ and all ps+ customers were converted to ps+ essentials, but mine is now inferior because the value to upgrade is an intrinsic characteristic of the product. I don't have what I paid for, I paid for an equal product than others and I don't have that anymore if they follow through with that.

And if you're curious about how strong brazilian customer protection laws are then just take a look at the case when Sony banned PS5 consoles for sharing/selling the PS+ Collection with others and Brazil was the only country that forced Sony to unban consoles due to considering the ban illegal, as not only was the ban an unfair disadvantage to the consumer but also that Sony wasn't clear on the disproportionately negative repercussion for sharing the benefits to others. Sony was also fined and had to pay the defendant's lawyer costs.

There were also cases where Sony was forced to give back access to the games on permanently banned accounts, as the justice considered illegal for Sony to remove access for legally purchased games regardless of what the customer did with the console/account. On those specific cases Sony had to restore access to all purchased games and was only able to revoke access to online features like multiplayer, new purchases and communications from the account.

Hey let's just agree to disagree here. I'm not rooting against you despite my inability to agree with you.

 

[sonomamashine]

 

[bitbydeath]

So the disingenuous defense continues. Try reading the thread next time. No one is asking for a discounted upgrade price.

Is there any examples of non-stacked accounts having this issue? That’d make everything a lot clearer on if it is a real issue or misinterpretation.

 

[John Wick]

Just a few seconds before you posted lol.

You always get one don't you who doesn't read the post but claims its defending Sony lmfao

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If you have active both Plus and Now subs once the service releases in your region you'll be migrated to Premium using as the expiration date the longer of the two you had. So this 'controversy' doesn't affects you.

If you only have Plus sub active when released in your region, you'll get PS Plus Essential with the same expiration date you had.

If you want to move to a higher tier you'll have two options: to pay the full higher tier or to use an upgrade offer that Sony has: instead of paying the full fee of the new tier, you'll pay the difference betwen you paid for plus and the price of the other tier. Example where you want to migrate from Essential to Premium exactly 1 year:

-A year of Premium costs 120$ and let's say you bought that year at $60, its normal price. You'll have to pay the remaining $60 to reach to this $120.
-Same case but you bought the year of Plus with -20% off discount at a cdkeys store: you paid $48, so to reach $120 you'll have to pay $72.

After the release, the price of Premium is $120/year. If you are upgrading from Plus/Essential, remove what you paid for a year of Plus/Essential from these $120/year.

You can think: ok it's fine, I get a year of Premium for $72 instead of $60, but it's still way less than $120.

But apparently there are people who only had PS Plus and stacked until 2043. If that people would have got a month of Now last week, now would have Premium until 2043 for only $10 or so. But now wants to upgrade these 21 years and complains that to pay (assuming a 20% discount) 72*21=$1575 is too expensive, when without the upgrade plan the price would be $2520. And wants Sony to have a cheaper upgrade deal pricing: they want Sony to apply the same pricing as if wouldn't have bought the Plus discounted, or what is the same, to apply them in the upgrade deal the same discount they had when bought plus. They are asking to be charged 60x21=$1260.

And I thought Ethomaz defended Sony to the bone. I dont think even he would defend Sony's rip off tactics to gamers trying to retroactively charge people top up money on PS+ subs people got on deal.

 

[dcmk7]

Haven't been following this much but it is still as bad as OP has detailed?

 

[STARSBarry]

Just to throw in because I know how important the weight of outrage is for reversing anti consumer practices, but this is utter bullshit.

 

[Gamerguy84]

Despite all the ELI5 going on I'm still confused.

I'm stacked on NOW until 6/2025. If I stay at essential it's still 6/2025 right. If I upgrade what happens?

Do they convert the time I'm subbed or ask me for more money?

 

[Swift_Star]

Haven't been following this much but it is still as bad as OP has detailed?

yes, but I’m betting in two outcomes
1 - Sony will backpedal, pretend it was a mistake and everyone will look like clowns
2 - this will blow over and people will forget about it in a month and everyone will look like clowns
Either way, we’ll look like clowns.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It be like Sony charging 9.99 for a next generation upgrade of a 59.99 dollar game. I got the game half off on black friday 29.99 so they try charging me 39.99 for the upgrade instead of 9.99. Completely unacceptable way to try and negate a fair sale price.

I was trying to think of an example, and yours is the best one I can think of.

That's Sony for ya. Purveyors of $10 upgrades when MS does their first party games free. And going by the premium tier's details looks like a shit upgrade. PS Classics seems gimped at games at 50 mhz PAL and DLC doesn't work with those sub games. Add the stacking issue of this thread, and looks like Sony kept all this underwraps until today just weeks away from launch.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

yes, but I’m betting in two outcomes
1 - Sony will backpedal, pretend it was a mistake and everyone will look like clowns
2 - this will blow over and people will forget about it in a month and everyone will look like clowns
Either way, we’ll look like clowns.

Spoken like the banned fan warrior you are. Amazing how Sony can rip off people like this and you downplaying it as a non issue.

 

[Leyasu]

Demos dont come cheap you know.

 

[Bernardougf]

I hope it doesn't have to go this way, as it'll probably take a while. Also, an example of how strong customer protection is over here: Sony lost the case when it banned PS5 over the sharing the PS5 collection with PS4 users, as the judge considered the connection over the internet a vital function of the product and that Sony didn't have the right of blocking access to it, especially for something that they weren't clear on the repercussions.

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2021/05/05/ps5-ban-brazil-ruling/

Yeah.. Brazil has great laws for costumers, also the penal code its very fair and with litte to no loopholes, in fact we are the land of justice...

Dude you have to be joking ...

Tu ta de sacanagem brother só pode kkkk

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Despite all the ELI5 going on I'm still confused.

I'm stacked on NOW until 6/2025. If I stay at essential it's still 6/2025 right. If I upgrade what happens?

Do they convert the time I'm subbed or ask me for more money?

If you stay in essentials you are ok.

If you plan to upgrade, going by the reddit thread about the Asian gamer getting upcharged, if you bought the subs off Sony direct at a deal price, Sony might ask you to pay for the difference in deal price and then charge you the new price.

So if they spread that logic to everyone in all regions, whatever deal price you got wont be a deal as they'll enforce you paying UPFRONT the difference in price befor you can upgrade to a better tier. So if that happens, it's like you stocked on subs at regular price.

But if you never bother moving tiers and stay with Essentials, it looks like youre good and nothing will happen.

Quest above put the stuation with a good analogy.

It be like Sony charging 9.99 for a next generation upgrade of a 59.99 dollar game. I got the game half off on black friday 29.99 so they try charging me 39.99 for the upgrade instead of 9.99. Completely unacceptable way to try and negate a fair sale price.

 

[T-Cake]

Despite all the ELI5 going on I'm still confused.

I'm stacked on NOW until 6/2025. If I stay at essential it's still 6/2025 right. If I upgrade what happens?

Do they convert the time I'm subbed or ask me for more money?

You're stacked on PS Now? Then you won't be Essential, you'll be Premium and will be set for three years without additional cost.

 

[jshackles]

You're stacked on PS Now? Then you won't be Essential, you'll be Premium and will be set for three years without additional cost.

 

[kingfey]

Sometimes I think these companies do things like this on purpose just to get good PR when they finally sort the issue.

they are testing the waters.

MS doubled xbox live gold, to make people sub to gamepass. If it werent for the outrage, they would have succeeded with their plan.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

They sold me product x for 75% of the price normally practiced, without ever mentioning any kind of differences between my version of product x and the version owned by people who paid 100% for product x. There were no caveats in the deal made, the product I acquired was offered as equal to the one purchased at full price.

Product x now has a new characteristic, which is the upgrade path for a new tier of service. But now my product is worth less on that process, which was never mentioned as a possibility when I made the transaction (which was a time when Sony inevitably knew of a new tier and upgrade paths). That's considered inducing the customer to error, by not informing that a possible future conversion would not be done by the value of the product, but the discounted price instead.

Inducing a customer to error is considered embezzlement by the Brazilian penal code. They lead me to make a purchase due to a reduced price without informing my purchase would not have the same value than a full priced purchase and the discount would be forfeited should I want to do an upgrade they already knew would come. It would be the same as making someone pay $50 for a $10 next-gen upgrade if the person bought the PS4 version of the game for $20, it would be illegal unless the customer was informed at the time of purchase that a future conversion would consider the price paid and not the global value of the product.

As i said before i also don't think the European Union allows for something like this...but i have no way of knowing that for sure as well.

I also just checked and my PS Plus subscription is now displayed like this: "PlayStation Plus: Subscrição de 12 meses - Desconto de 33%" in Portuguese. This is new.

The only reason why i'm safe? I had PlayStation Now until October 2023 so i'll have the full thing until then without paying extra.

They were supposed to try and bring more people into their ecosystem but it seems like they are just trying to make the ones already there angry at this point. Someone that stacks your subscription for 10 or 20 years (which IS legal and they are the ones allowing it) is loyal as hell...you don't wanna mess up with them.

It's honestly crazy how they sat on an office and ran scenarios where they thought this was a good idea and it's stuff like this that makes me realize how SIE is run by corporate suits and people with no knowledge on anything related with videogames.

As i keep saying since they announced the $70 games...they are lucky they have the talent they have...otherwise it would be a mess for them.

 

[DangerDiabolik]

Watch as people look like this in a few days when this is sorted out:

I'd show you what you look like, but a gif of someone sucking off Jim Ryan is probably against forum rules.

 

[Three]

Is there any examples of non-stacked accounts having this issue? That’d make everything a lot clearer on if it is a real issue or misinterpretation.

For some reason there has been no example of two people stacked a similar amount of days who might have different purchase histories with regard to discounts. It would be a simple thing to check. I don't think discounts are being wiped I think there is a Essential to Premium conversion ratio being applied then an extension for stacked years. This only appears to wipe the discount because you aren’t getting a discount on Essential years extending to your date after the conversion and the added daily rate (whatever that happens to be). I'm betting that for whatever days somebody else has the conversion would be similar even if they didn't get any discounts.

 

[Swift_Star]

Spoken like the banned fan warrior you are. Amazing how Sony can rip off people like this and you downplaying it as a non issue.

1 - I was never banned for warring.
2 - I'm not saying it's a non issue, if you read again, I'm saying it's as bad as OP says it is. I'm saying what I think will happen. I don't know why you're so angry and aggressive. Yes, I believe they'll either sort it out and pretend it was a mistake or they'll say nothing and people will forget about it. It's usually how these things go.
You do you.

 

[Swift_Star]

I'd show you what you look like, but a gif of someone sucking off Jim Ryan is probably against forum rules.

PM it to me, I'd like to see it.

 

[Belthazar]

Yeah.. Brazil has great laws for costumers, also the penal code its very fair and with litte to no loopholes, in fact we are the land of justice...

Dude you have to be joking ...

Tu ta de sacanagem brother só pode kkkk

The justice system is very fucked up, but I'm regards to regulations and the consumers' defense code it's way better than most countries in regards to protection.

O país é uma bosta, mas se tu sabe correr atrás dos teus direitos tu depena qualquer empresa que faz merda.

 

[yurinka]

And I thought Ethomaz defended Sony to the bone. I dont think even he would defend Sony's rip off tactics to gamers trying to retroactively charge people top up money on PS+ subs people got on deal.

They don't retroactively charge anything and isn't a ripoff at all.

They make an offer to upgrade with a discount for those Plus subbers who didn't make the previous, way cheaper deal, before launch. So they can upgrade for a cheaper price than it would be having to pay the full price.

But some of you are so angry and concerned because you don't like the discount they make and think they should discount more for no reason, just because you say so. Some extra angry and concerned people even talk about if it would be possible to send them to the court because don't like how big is a discount. It doesn't make sense at all.

I'll send them to the court for not discounting a 50% off their PS5 towmorrow! OMG #FireJimRyam!

 

[kingfey]

I'd show you what you look like, but a gif of someone sucking off Jim Ryan is probably against forum rules.

 

[M1chl]

Annoy them like "we" did with 120 USD XBL Gold, it works.

 

[jimmypython]

makes no sense regarding the PS+ discount situation. how would I need to pay up the "official" discount amount to upgrade to the next tier...

 

[kingfey]

They don't retroactively charge anything and isn't a ripoff at all.

They make an offer to upgrade with a discount for those Plus subbers who didn't make the previous, way cheaper deal, before launch. So they can upgrade for a cheaper price than it would be having to pay the full price.

But some of you are so angry and concerned because you don't like the discount they make and think they should discount more for no reason, just because you say so.

People have evidence of this. I dont think, this is a hill you want to die on.

We will see, if this is truly a bug, or if Sony is doing this, to punish long term ps+ users.