Mibu no ookami
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Markets change. How many people bought 1000-dollar smartphones?
I think if they can deliver 4K60 at pro and the base units run at 4K30 and 1440p60, it'll deliver the high end games people are looking for.
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Digital Foundry - Do we actually need a PS5 Pro?
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Markets change. How many people bought 1000-dollar smartphones?
I think if they can deliver 4K60 at pro and the base units run at 4K30 and 1440p60, it'll deliver the high end games people are looking for.
Craig of War
Banned
Yes exactly a couple of frames difference at some point in gameplay and a couple of resolution difference really make no difference in your gaming experience especially if you have to zoom in 400x to even see it lol
MasterCornholio
Member
It’s a good thing these systems are so close but it’s also a bad thing because it makes comparisons really nit picky.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Honestly, I watch them from time to time, but I'm really starting to hate them. They're beyond cocky and egotistical.
A PS5 Pro actually makes their job harder because there is less to nitpick.
Crispy Gamer
Member
A pro version seems inevitable and just like ps4 pro the consumer can choose to skip it at least Sony has a much higher baseline and this finally forces the end of cross gen (hopefully)
DaleinCalgary
Member
Yes we do, in Nov 2024.
And I will buy it
And I will buy it
Mibu no ookami
Member
The reality is that Sony just needs to focus on a simple formula.
Put out a system that has a higher margin than the current PS5 and it doesn't really matter how well it sells. Ultimately you're increasing your margin on people who were already going to buy the PS5 but might get this instead or instead of buying a gaming rig might buy this instead. Is this cheaper than putting together a gaming rig and the answer is still going to be yes, but the output might be much more comparable.
Even if there is a recession it doesn't matter. If anything this is better in a recession because if sales dry up if they're able to sell even a small percentage of these instead of PS5s the margin on them will be better.
A Ps5 slim is obvious.
Put out a system that has a higher margin than the current PS5 and it doesn't really matter how well it sells. Ultimately you're increasing your margin on people who were already going to buy the PS5 but might get this instead or instead of buying a gaming rig might buy this instead. Is this cheaper than putting together a gaming rig and the answer is still going to be yes, but the output might be much more comparable.
Even if there is a recession it doesn't matter. If anything this is better in a recession because if sales dry up if they're able to sell even a small percentage of these instead of PS5s the margin on them will be better.
A Ps5 slim is obvious.
Hezekiah
Banned
A €1300 console. There is zero evidence that people would buy a console more than twice as expensive as any mainstream console ever released.
The type of people who are fixated on hardware and power will simply buy a PC.
incidentally, in case you're not aware PCs can carry out many more functions than a games console can...
...as do smartphones, which are everyday tech, not a luxury item like a console is.
You guys are off your rocker if you think such an expensive console would sell to anything other than a tiny, niche audience
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Mibu no ookami
Member
A €1300 console. There is zero evidence that people would buy a console more than twice as expensive as any mainstream console ever released.
The type of people who are fixated on hardware and power will simply buy a PC.
incidentally, in case you're not aware PCs can carry out many more functions than a games console can...
...as do smartphones, which are everyday tech, not a luxury item like a console is.
You guys are off your rocker if you think such an expensive console would sell to anything other than a tiny, niche audience
People buy 3000 dollar tvs and the same people would drop 1000 on a game system.
Look at the 4k bluray player that people consider top in line in the industry the ub820. Will run you 400-500 dollars and people buy it.
As long as it isn't a loss leader, not sure why it would matter exactly how niche it is.
01011001
Banned
scalpers during the PS5 launch completely dismantle that argument...
normal ass PS5s sold for more than 1000€
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Mibu no ookami
Member
That is really the biggest selling point in backward compatibility, to keep people and their libraries loyal. Especially when those games are enhanced on new systems. It's why it is puzzling that sony hasn't done anything or announced anything for last guardian or bloodborne.
ANIMAL1975
Member
It was because of Psvr too, if not the first reason, ps4 was just too much week for it. And now we have psvr2 just around the corner...
Shit, that's it _ we need a PS5 pro for quick resume!
Hezekiah
Banned
How many people do you suppose are spending $3,000 on TVs, or $400 - $500 on Blu-ray players? How many do you think are gamers? Why do you think we've never seen anything like a ~$1,300 console in several decades of console gaming before?
Dismantled lol
How many people people do you think paid a scalper €1,000 for their PS5?
01011001
Banned
apparently enough for them to only lower the prices multiple months after launch
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
The question is premature. We need to see the best of what the gen can offer and we are not close.
The Matrix Awakens and Hellblade 2 tell me naw, we good. Once I see the PC outclass current gen by such a margin that the gameplay is hampered...
Even then, I just buy an proprietary eGPU that slots into the SSD port w/ a passthrough. (I'm fairly sure this will work)
The Matrix Awakens and Hellblade 2 tell me naw, we good. Once I see the PC outclass current gen by such a margin that the gameplay is hampered...
Even then, I just buy an proprietary eGPU that slots into the SSD port w/ a passthrough. (I'm fairly sure this will work)
In Cold Blood
Banned
I don't think we will have mid gen pro models, but I think the next generation will come a couple of years earlier than normal.
Otre
Banned
A new smaller, redesigned PS5 would be great. A Pro one will not happen soon. Inflation will make sure of that.
The video is right, Moore's law is traveling but the cost per transistor is going down in a dramatically slower fashion. We are still in the cross gen era and 8k is not needed. The best thing to ever happen to consoles is brought by AMD with FSR 2.0 alongside other image reconstruction technologies.
Its a bad title for this type of video. Its more of a "Will Pro versions of XBS or PS5 be out soon" type of vid. Well made nothenless. Richard's "In theory" series of videos is great.
The video is right, Moore's law is traveling but the cost per transistor is going down in a dramatically slower fashion. We are still in the cross gen era and 8k is not needed. The best thing to ever happen to consoles is brought by AMD with FSR 2.0 alongside other image reconstruction technologies.
Its a bad title for this type of video. Its more of a "Will Pro versions of XBS or PS5 be out soon" type of vid. Well made nothenless. Richard's "In theory" series of videos is great.
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01011001
Banned
so Matrix Awakens, a demo that can't hold 30fps and has the worst image quality imaginable gives you that impression?
Hezekiah
Banned
You might want to consider why with millions of people apparently prepared to buy a ~€1,300 games console, no console manufacturer has ever come anywhere close to releasing a console at that price (nor will be doing so in the future)
01011001
Banned
You might want to consider why with millions of people apparently prepared to buy a ~€1,300 games console, no console manufacturer has ever come anywhere close to releasing a console at that price (nor will be doing so in the future)
actually... Microsoft was. They had plans for a more expensive pro model right at launch but ultimately decided to go the other way by selling a cheaper one. I guess they thought 3 models at launch was a bit too much
Hezekiah
Banned
It would have been nowhere near €1,300, or even €1,000 lol.
Majima Everywhere System
Member
It would have to be 30 tflops to have the mid gen refresh effect from what ive seen from lack of gains. That DLSS type solution from AMD should be enough for a while.
I played MGS Rising today, and would gladly take that production quality to get a good amount of games again. The industry needs a plateau for a bit.
I played MGS Rising today, and would gladly take that production quality to get a good amount of games again. The industry needs a plateau for a bit.
Nocturno999
Member
I would say yes if there was a significant jump, but it ain't happening.
StateofMajora
Banned
Yes but only because of ray tracing taking over. Though it will be nice if it leads to better 120fps support as well.
01011001
Banned
maybe not, maybe it would have been...
doesn't matter. people buying expensive electronics is not a rare thing.
Scalpers absolutely sold PS5s and Series Xs for 1000€ and above. people were absolutely willing to pay those prices, and that was for a piece of tech that wasn't worth the price they asked for either.
imaging what people would do if the console they bought for 1300 bucks was actually worth that money?
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
I thought that was to achieve a film like look and not based on the ability of the engine.
01011001
Banned
nope... while driving through the world you drop frames constantly and there are massive stutters. and that's also when the demo starts to kinda look like absolute shit in motion.
the image quality isn't as much of an issue as long as camera shots are tightly directed and scripted, but as soon as you actually walk and drive through the city the demo starts to really look like ass.
the artifacts in motion are ridiculous and unprecedented.
Swift_Star
Banned
No. Waste of resources.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I'm a supporter of mid gen refreshes. Gives gamers an option. If someone doesn't like them thats fine. Just stick to an OG model and play that for the entire 7 year era.
One X was a great boost. Double the storage size, a 4k optical drive, HDR, much faster and smoother and higher res. As a bonus, it was even smaller and sleeker too.
It's kind of similar to waiting for Director's Edition games for dirt cheap years later. Some people buy games at launch for $60-70. Some wait 3 years and buy them at bargain prices where DLC might be included too. If the game maker wants to make it and some gamers prefer to wait for a better deal let them enjoy it.
One X was a great boost. Double the storage size, a 4k optical drive, HDR, much faster and smoother and higher res. As a bonus, it was even smaller and sleeker too.
It's kind of similar to waiting for Director's Edition games for dirt cheap years later. Some people buy games at launch for $60-70. Some wait 3 years and buy them at bargain prices where DLC might be included too. If the game maker wants to make it and some gamers prefer to wait for a better deal let them enjoy it.
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Much as I like my Pro and X, they ruined the increase from the following generation. I know Sony and Microsoft haven't come out and supported mid-gen fresh this time around, but how can anyone talk about this after what has happened.
Chip production issues and impacted uptake. Yes the demand from the consumer is there, but the manufacturing is clearly not. This generation is off to a disastrous start, both hardware and software wise. Delays etc. They would have been better off to have delayed their consoles, increase specs and started with actually high quality software. Anyhow I'm fortunate to have both consoles, last thing I want to do is go through that hell again for a pro upgrade.
And if Game devs start developing for the pro levels of performance vs stock ps5/xbox, I'd be pretty upset. This all seems lunacy.
Chip production issues and impacted uptake. Yes the demand from the consumer is there, but the manufacturing is clearly not. This generation is off to a disastrous start, both hardware and software wise. Delays etc. They would have been better off to have delayed their consoles, increase specs and started with actually high quality software. Anyhow I'm fortunate to have both consoles, last thing I want to do is go through that hell again for a pro upgrade.
And if Game devs start developing for the pro levels of performance vs stock ps5/xbox, I'd be pretty upset. This all seems lunacy.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Why are people suggesting a $1000 console would be a good idea lol.
Rea
Member
Because they think consoles are like PC which always need "MORE POWER". I suspect most of them who want Pro console already have powerful PC and they think that's not enough. Always chasing for powahh. The mentality of PCMR.
Gamerguy84
Member
Covid really messed up a lot of things, gaming included of course. Its true we haven't maxed this hardware yet.
The business decisions to move to cross gen were necessary but bad for next gen owners at the same time.
I would take a mid gen console but feels premature and weird to even think about it right now. I guess I'm not gonna complain either way because I'm on the fence about it.
The business decisions to move to cross gen were necessary but bad for next gen owners at the same time.
I would take a mid gen console but feels premature and weird to even think about it right now. I guess I'm not gonna complain either way because I'm on the fence about it.
Unknown?
Member
We have though. The Panasonic 3DO launched at $1,398.53 when adjusted for inflation. That was your high end $1400 console.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Yes we do because when I play GT7 I can’t shake the feeling that there are 2 or 3 higher graphical presets hidden in game code just waiting for better hardware.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If history is a good indicator, people have estimated PS4 Pro and One X were only 10% of sales. I dont know if that's true, but for sake of argument lets say it is roughly that amount (give or take a bit).
On the surface, going through all that hardware hassle for mid gen adopters to upgrade, or people with no system but so happen buying that as their initial purchase for the generation doesn't seem worth doing from an MS or Sony standpoint.
But who knows. Maybe they got to force themselves to do it for sake of keeping up with the jones and being tech relevant.
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