digdug2
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Your PC becomes outdated after less than a year too though. Let's face it, gaming is an expensive hobby.
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We Actually Do Need Pro Consoles Again
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
The only thing they can do is new cpu/gpu and it’s already very good. Everything else is top of the line.
So pro not gonna do much. Not at 200watts, not for 500$.
It makes no sense. Pro fighters should get a pc if they want unoptimisable mess.
These consoles are wrongly used by devs as budget pcs which they are not. That is not a call for pro
So pro not gonna do much. Not at 200watts, not for 500$.
It makes no sense. Pro fighters should get a pc if they want unoptimisable mess.
These consoles are wrongly used by devs as budget pcs which they are not. That is not a call for pro
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Puscifer
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I mean you aren't wrong. Even Demon's Souls was supposed to be cross-gen and as much as I love Returnal let's be honest, the only thing separating it from a PS4 title is the ray tracing. I still have the opinion that unless you really want to play the 2-3 actually exclusive games on PS5 and you own a pro there's no reason to upgrade.
Puscifer
Member
Those games look like what they are outside of screenshots, launch titles.
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I agree 100%, AMD's hardware can't compete when it comes to Raytracing even with the latest 7000 series cards. Intel's ARC are actually more competitive, though still well below what Nvidia is doing.
If you stick with raster, AMD butts head with Nvidia. But consoles are now seeing what PC gamers went through with the RTX 2000 series. Oh, raytracing makes games run like crap and isn't worth it.
With older techniques you can pull off great-looking games. But it's a lot of work as we can see from how long development times have ballooned. With raytracing, you can have natural-looking light and amazing looking games with less dev working on tweaking things.
MMaRsu
Banned
Thats most certainly not true
diffusionx
Gold Member
I would just ask anyone who thinks we need a $600, $700, $800, whatever new console to consooooooom, if they are bothered by the "900p" because they think it actually looks bad or because they watched the DF video and think that number is too low. Because the whole point of FSR/DLSS is to render at subnative and still retain high IQ. As I mentioned before, DLSS is not just operating at a subnative res but also generating fake frames, and it works fine enough that people with high-end GPUs use it in every game. I'd also add that the high-end GPU I am talking about costs $1600, even at $800 for a console what type of gains are we looking at? The differences are not even going to be as much as the jump from PS4 to PS4 Pro. You'll get a higher base resolution but FSR will still be used, raytracing will still be minimal, etc.
These are consoles, they're not meant to be high-end boxes that push everything in super fancy ways. I really think that console gamers are losing the plot here on expecting these consoles to do high-end PC stuff, especially as the gap between console price and high-end PC has exploded the past five years. But I also recognize that it's partly of the console makers' own doing, in that they push this stuff in their marketing.
These are consoles, they're not meant to be high-end boxes that push everything in super fancy ways. I really think that console gamers are losing the plot here on expecting these consoles to do high-end PC stuff, especially as the gap between console price and high-end PC has exploded the past five years. But I also recognize that it's partly of the console makers' own doing, in that they push this stuff in their marketing.
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digdug2
Member
Sure it is. There will be an NVIDIA RTX 5090 next year along with an 14th Gen Intel i9 processor.
MMaRsu
Banned
That doesnt mean an rtx 3070 paired with a 5700x doesnt perform way better than a ps5
PeteBull
Member
Infamous 4k60 always depends on the game, u can easily run tetris even in 16k 240fps(powerwise) on them, so what if game looks like it looks.
The better looking the game, the more demanding it is, especially if we arent talking about corridor shooters/racing/fighter games, but open world ones, those usually squeeze off all the juices from both console cpu and gpu.
daninthemix
Member
Not quite. You buy a 4090-class card and you're getting the best GPU gaming has to offer for at least 2 years. But yes, upgrading is a fact of life if you want the best.
digdug2
Member
This is what I am getting at. It costs money to stay on the cutting edge. Or even the dull edge.
You'd surely hope so, considering the GPU alone costs roughly the same as a PS5.
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Operations66
Member
My wallet hates "pro" consoles. But I still bought the last one.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Yea pro consoles are fun at the end of the day it’s a business, still crazy.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
The problem with the get a pc stance is that doesn't help those who want to play PS games at higher resolutions or framerate
I have no issue with a totally optional PS5 Pro
The case has always been strong. The idea that you only need them when the console has been "maxed out" was always complete and utter bollocks.
Pro consoles are for those of us who want as few compromises as possible, and there have been significant compromises on the PS5 literally since launch day, so that's the case established right there.
Pro consoles are for those of us who want as few compromises as possible, and there have been significant compromises on the PS5 literally since launch day, so that's the case established right there.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
We sure as fuck don't need them.
Unknown?
Member
According to Phil the Series X IS their Pro console.
LavitzSlambert
Member
The issue is the expectation for games to keep looking better and better right away to justify the new console leap in power. In the past there were things that couldn’t be done with the old system right away. But if you look at a launch PS2 game compared to an end of life release, the difference is very noticeable.
Really what needs to happen is for optimization on the current dev kit to continue. We are losing some of the hardware specific optimizations due to the way games are developed, which favors higher level abstractions to make porting easier. That shows up as a cost to performance and visual fidelity.
Really what needs to happen is for optimization on the current dev kit to continue. We are losing some of the hardware specific optimizations due to the way games are developed, which favors higher level abstractions to make porting easier. That shows up as a cost to performance and visual fidelity.
Generic
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sendit
Member
Still using my 3090 from 2020. Still playing my PS5 from 2020. The 3090 still shits all over the PS5. The 3090 still shits on most graphic cards today.
Give me a Pro console that has a retail price of $1000+.
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KXVXII9X
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I think the industry has a lot of gamers chasing a never-ending pursuit over specs instead of talent, artistry, and game design. Sure, specs are important, but 4K60FPS won't save a bad game.
Honestly just get a PC if you need the latest and greatest. If you are patient enough, you have access to both PS and Xbox libraries.
I won't tell people how to spend their money, but I think there are more important things to fix with the current gen games we have now like interactivity and just having new experiences in general. 30 FPS has mostly been a thing with "next gen" games. PS4/Xbox One only games last generation also had games sub-1080P and ran at 30 FPS. Next it will be 120 FPS or best and then 8K or bust. Graphic cards are getting more and more expensive. Just feels like a waste.
Honestly just get a PC if you need the latest and greatest. If you are patient enough, you have access to both PS and Xbox libraries.
I won't tell people how to spend their money, but I think there are more important things to fix with the current gen games we have now like interactivity and just having new experiences in general. 30 FPS has mostly been a thing with "next gen" games. PS4/Xbox One only games last generation also had games sub-1080P and ran at 30 FPS. Next it will be 120 FPS or best and then 8K or bust. Graphic cards are getting more and more expensive. Just feels like a waste.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
It's not the case, it just need to better utilized the resources and target those platforms more closely.
Crayon
Member
I intend to wring out my 500 dollar PS5 till it's last breath. I very very rarely have replaced a working console with a new model. Pro console doesn't hurt me and I might even go for it if I was without a PS5 and had to choose. If I'm going to upgrade, it's because I'm seeing some serious shit from the new one. Last go round was just a resolution bump tho.
No , we don't, the elite will make each console uniquely stupid and lose its purpose, the s at the bottom and will serve no purpose, the elite simply won't add more polygons and will receive limited support with ultra rare special cases and it all depends on companies budget which is against what consumers really want from this console, the x will be the new 30 fps console and graphical improvements will measure up based on that frame rate, Sony, on the other hand will stick two gpus together for vr performance boost, it won't benefit from the frame boost for the original version of each game, long story short, PC is the best platform for that and doesn't add extra cost to benefit from your hardware.
JerryinSoCal
Member
I don't get why anyone would argue against another option, it's not going to harm the base PS5 that'll still be the console the game is optimized the most for but for people who are able to pay more and would like something that performs a bit better but don't want to go the gaming PC route it's a great option. If you don't want one you don't have to buy one.
There are games that already look a bit blurry, there are times you can tell FF16 is clearly running at a lower resolution and being upscaled, what harm does it do if people can play that game with a higher res and more stable framerate if they can afford to buy a machine that'll do it?
There are games that already look a bit blurry, there are times you can tell FF16 is clearly running at a lower resolution and being upscaled, what harm does it do if people can play that game with a higher res and more stable framerate if they can afford to buy a machine that'll do it?
01011001
Banned
I mean... anyone who bought a GTX1080ti in 2017 still has a mostly more powerful GPU than either console...
MSRP in 2017 $699
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Hoddi
Member
Yer, I bought my 9900k + 2080 Ti back in 2018 and still see no reason to upgrade. Console generations tend to last 6-7 years so it's already getting fairly close to that.
Chances are that it could last me until the next console generation releases in 2027/2028 if I wanted to. I'm more likely to upgrade due to system failure than anything else at this point.
dano1
A Sheep
Yes.
Mobilemofo
Member
We don't need pro consoles. It's another cashgrab. We had two years of fuck all happening game wise already..they can stick their pro console up their ass.
Mobilemofo
Member
In your world. Those of us who retired from fuckin about with pc's beg to differ.
FrankWza
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Artistic
Member
It isn’t, but I think the premise of a mid-gen refresh is terrible.
Klosshufvud
Member
We don't. More spec bloat would just exacerbate the problem of terrible coding and brute forcing performance.
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veterangamerUK
Member
We’ve already seen prices of current consoles go up 3 years into their lifespan for the first time ever. Who, outside echo chambers of a gaming forum, are going to afford/buy a Pro console?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Pretty much.
Games involve a lot of key factors that make a great game: visuals, audio, gameplay, physics, polish, maps and modes, online features etc....
If there's two things that seem be be law when it comes to companies focusing their attention on and promoting their game.
1. Visuals will always be focused on and marketed first. With the usual loud promo video where the key dragon boss or demon dude does a giant growl at the end, Most of the trailers have limited or zero actual gameplay, and when it does have real content it's often edited cuts of in-engine cut scenes or pieced together in a way that isn't even representative of playing the game
2. Gameplay and polish will always be talked about last or not at all
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The devs will then need to scale back on their game to run on these weaker consoles. Which yeah, most likely means the pro version will run them at locked 60, but then that's the same as running last gen games which have been patched to run at 4k60 on ps5, e.g tshushima, gow 2018.
You gain performance but lose on bells and whistles.
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