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[Jimmyisback]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidpolice.com/diablo-immortal-100-million/amp/

Incredible. This may take in over a billion in it's lifetime.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Sorry social media/influencers.....the market is speaking loud and clear.

 

[Jennings]

Diablo IV is just going to eat into these numbers over time. They should reconsider ever releasing it. No point competing with yourself.

 

[Calverz]

 

[Fafalada]

Incredible. This may take in over a billion in it's lifetime.

Is this... trying to say this game will be dead in 2 years?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So excluding China, they are doing almost $2M per day in mtx.

And here I am thinking the last mtx I bought (a $15 map pack for MW3 10 years ago) was a waste of money as I hated the maps that came with it.

 

[PaddyOCanager]

Checkmate, nerds.

 

[Jimmyisback]

Is this... trying to say this game will be dead in 2 years?

It can't sustain this pace forever....Or can it? Scrooge mcduck.gif

 

[AV]

Diablo IV is just going to eat into these numbers over time. They should reconsider ever releasing it. No point competing with yourself.

D4 isn't going to be monetised in the same way. Blizzard are going to present it as the "true" Diablo and act as if they're the good guys for not making it a horrendous cash cow. The two will happily co-exist because rich people won't be able to buy their way to the top quite as easily.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Diablo IV is just going to eat into these numbers over time. They should reconsider ever releasing it. No point competing with yourself.

D4 isn't going to be monetised in the same way. Blizzard are going to present it as the "true" Diablo and act as if they're the good guys for not making it a horrendous cash cow. The two will happily co-exist because rich people won't be able to buy their way to the top quite as easily.

Initially, I thought they'd spread the games out with a good gap in between. But Activision must be thinking the user bases are so different, and the games are too that they can co-exist.

 

[AV]

Initially, I thought they'd spread the games out with a good gap in between. But Activision must be thinking the user bases are so different, and the games are too that they can co-exist.

Yeah, they'll be very different games. D4 will have an up-front cost, although I have no idea what Game Pass is going to do to that. Mostly because I don't believe for a solitary second that the game is actually gonna be released in 2023; and more than likely, will only be ready after the big deal goes through.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Diablo IV is just going to eat into these numbers over time. They should reconsider ever releasing it. No point competing with yourself.

Not sure if you're serious, but Diablo 4 is for a different market. Immortal is a mobile game primarily.

 

[Lupin3]

 

[reksveks]

Is this... trying to say this game will be dead in 2 years?

lol, i also was thinking that

It can't sustain this pace forever....Or can it? Scrooge mcduck.gif

I said 18-21 months; fortnite was 2 years

 

[Fafalada]

It can't sustain this pace forever....Or can it? Scrooge mcduck.gif

Obviously nothing keeps up forever, but the revenue tail on live-services is usually quite long, especially with an ultra popular IP. Even assuming current revenue-rate is as high as it'll ever go(doesn't seem to be the case, but let's go with that) and it retains this level for first 6 months, it'd need to crash unusually fast to not reach multiple bilions LTD.
But right now it still seems to be accelerating so...

 

[Mister Wolf]

The silent majority speak with their wallet.

 

[Fuz]

The moron majority speak with their wallet.

FTFY

 

[Trogdor1123]

I guess people do have phones…

 

[Azelover]

I guess they're vindicated, somewhat..

 

[Jennings]

Not sure if you're serious, but Diablo 4 is for a different market. Immortal is a mobile game primarily.

In case you missed the initial reveal, Blizzard doesn't believe there are two separate markets, because everybody has phones.

 

[Ellery]

Not surprised, but still hurts to see.

 

[Azurro]

I guess people did have phones.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Turns out we really did all have phones.

edit: Ah fuck, this dude above me beat me by 9 minutes

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

D4 will monetize with cosmetics and, most likely, time savers (think PoE's various inventories for item/resource management), but all the precious snowflakes will be safe from aggressive monetization i.e. "pay to rift".
I think they will charge for their DLC packs (new characters, etc) as well.

Time will tell I guess.

 

[EDMIX]

Damn look how poorly this game did, you guys showed them.

huh? Crying over this shit didn't alter reality? hmmmmmm /s

I don't really know how many times this needs to happen for people to realize not liking something, doesn't mean everyone shares that fucking view, I don't get why the community seems to have a blind spot on this type of shit. I remember someone telling me how badly Call Of Duty was going to sell and omgz bbq look at da youtube downvotes...they literally used that as some metric to tell me it was the end for Call Of Duty.. So I think some gamers just live in this alternate reality where they think them crying or some shit means everyone else feels the same way and then sit back and hope it reflects in sales or something. Its the oddest shit. I'm not surprised this game did well for them.

To those who are surprised....what did we learn? How many times does this "i'm madz" argument need to end in a game doing these types of figures before people realize those are not really accurate things to measure if a game will do well or not? I've heard this shit for Battlefront, Call Of Duty, Assassins Creed, Far Cry, Mafia 3, GTA lol I think its best to just say, I don't personally like it, but I'm sure many will and it will move units. Thats it. I try my best not to add in any type of personal opinion regarding sales as I hate many IP that have broken a shit ton of records to pretend someone isn't playing this fucking game. They'd be stupid not to jump in on that mobile market.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Damn look how poorly this game did, you guys showed them.

huh? Crying over this shit didn't alter reality? hmmmmmm /s

I don't really know how many times this needs to happen for people to realize not liking something, doesn't mean everyone shares that fucking view, I don't get why the community seems to have a blind spot on this type of shit. I remember someone telling me how badly Call Of Duty was going to sell and omgz bbq look at da youtube downvotes...they literally used that as some metric to tell me it was the end for Call Of Duty.. So I think some gamers just live in this alternate reality where they think them crying or some shit means everyone else feels the same way and then sit back and hope it reflects in sales or something. Its the oddest shit. I'm not surprised this game did well for them.

To those who are surprised....what did we learn? How many times does this "i'm madz" argument need to end in a game doing these types of figures before people realize those are not really accurate things to measure if a game will do well or not? I've heard this shit for Battlefront, Call Of Duty, Assassins Creed, Far Cry, Mafia 3, GTA lol I think its best to just say, I don't personally like it, but I'm sure many will and it will move units. Thats it. I try my best not to add in any type of personal opinion regarding sales as I hate many IP that have broken a shit ton of records to pretend someone isn't playing this fucking game. They'd be stupid not to jump in on that mobile market.

Damn right. "Muh' feelz" isn't a valid argument.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

So a bunch of mentally incompetent, deranged, and challenged folks continue to play scams and feed money into them. Who knew.

 

[ahtlas7]

I played through the story and paid them $0 then put the game away. Why anyone would spend anything more than zero for a free game is beyond my imagining.

 

[EDMIX]

So a bunch of mentally incompetent, deranged, and challenged folks continue to play scams and feed money into them. Who knew.

? I don't see the point in trying to dismiss the success of some game by trying to attack it's fan base as being mentally incompetent or deranged or something silly like this it's simply comes across as immature like The Gaming Community seems to have a hard time dealing with reality to the point where something is successful that they don't like it must be based on someone "mentally incompetent feeding into a scam" but if something is successful that they do like it's the entire Community getting it right. lol


I simply accept this as somebody wanted to play Diablo on a phone and very much downloaded it and supported it based on something they want and I can't really go anymore into the mental state of any person or claim something is a scam or anything weird like that so I'm not sure why the Gaming Community has this emotional issue with something being successful that they dislike as to try to dismiss the consumers who purchased it


That's like me saying some immature or juvenile shit like Call of Duty moving 30 million units must be because of the "mentally incompetent or deranged" or people who love "feeding into scams", at some point it must be accepted that the people who have their money who want to buy something like that or support something like that might be doing so because they genuinely like the thing they're playing.

I honestly think that's all we could do with this type of information instead of trying to force this weird idea that they must be mentally challenged or trying to attack consumers this way. So I don't think its selling off of name alone, I don't think its some dark scam, I don't think its aiming at any mentality ill base or something...I think its as simple as people want to play it on their phones, thus they do...people want to buy those MTX...thus they do.

hemo memo lol thats like trying to say the sales of GTA or Call Of Duty is based on people "not able to control their addiction" by making it sound like the consumer wanting something, suddenly now is some insidious dark practice. All I can see with this, is someone wants something you don't, someone is spending money on something you wouldn't....thats it. I say this as a person that didn't play this game, have no desire to play it etc, but I can't then fucking pretend that someone must be an addict with no control or mentally ill to disagree and spend their own money on it.

The next Call Of Duty, Ima just be like "watch it won't sell 30 mill" (sells 30 mill)
Me like "ok, but thats only cause they be not able to control their addiction"

(plays intervention music) lol

 

[hemo memo]

Yeah whales are spending a lot on this unsurprisingly because aside of them not able to control their addiction, which these games precisely designed with the help of psychologists no doubt to maximally capitalize on that but it also promote MTX every second.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

? I don't see the point in trying to dismiss the success of some game by trying to attack it's fan base as being mentally incompetent or deranged or something silly like this it's simply comes across as immature like The Gaming Community seems to have a hard time dealing with reality to the point where something is successful that they don't like it must be based on someone "mentally incompetent feeding into a scam" but if something is successful that they do like it's the entire Community getting it right. lol


I simply accept this as somebody wanted to play Diablo on a phone and very much downloaded it and supported it based on something they want and I can't really go anymore into the mental state of any person or claim something is a scam or anything weird like that so I'm not sure why the Gaming Community has this emotional issue with something being successful that they dislike as to try to dismiss the consumers who purchased it


That's like me saying some immature or juvenile shit like Call of Duty moving 30 million units must be because of the "mentally incompetent or deranged" or people who love "feeding into scams", at some point it must be accepted that the people who have their money who want to buy something like that or support something like that might be doing so because they genuinely like the thing they're playing.

I honestly think that's all we could do with this type of information instead of trying to force this weird idea that they must be mentally challenged or trying to attack consumers this way. So I don't think its selling off of name alone, I don't think its some dark scam, I don't think its aiming at any mentality ill base or something...I think its as simple as people want to play it on their phones, thus they do...people want to buy those MTX...thus they do.

I am not attacking anyone. I am simply stating a fact.

 

[EDMIX]

I am not attacking anyone. I am simply stating a fact.

None of that is a fact, that is simply your generalization on the people who play this and spend money on MTX... I mean, you are trying to characterize them as "mentally incompetent, deranged" as if you know millions of them personally. Anyone can argue this about any fucking game that moves millions of units though.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

None of that is a fact, that is simply your generalization on the people who play this and spend money on MTX... I mean, you are trying to characterize them as "mentally incompetent, deranged" as if you know millions of them personally. Anyone can argue this about any fucking game that moves millions of units though.

It is. You shouldn’t find this offensive unless you are one of the folks I am referring to who have spent money for this scam or scams like these.

 

[EDMIX]

It is. You shouldn’t find this offensive unless you are one of the folks I am referring to who have spent money for this scam or scams like these.

I don't play this.... and its funny that you think my point is even in some defense of playing it or something weird like that.

You have to prove this is some scam. Thats up to you man, I don't see anything here that supports the idea of any scam or people being mentality ill playing it as some majority or it being marketed or targeted to deranged people.

All I get from this is you are upset it was successful ,someone is playing it and spending their money as its their free will to do so....thats it.

 

[Demigod Mac]

I'd hoped this would be just Wall Street hedge fund managers competing against Saudi oil sheikhs in a mobile game, but sadly I don't expect that's where most of the mtx money's coming from. :\

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

I don't play this.... and its funny that you think my point is even in some defense of playing it or something weird like that.

You have to prove this is some scam. Thats up to you man, I don't see anything here that supports the idea of any scam or people being mentality ill playing it as some majority or it being marketed or targeted to deranged people.

All I get from this is you are upset it was successful ,someone is playing it and spending their money as its their free will to do so....thats it.

It has been proven, time and again in this thread and many others. If you wish to continue to remain ignorant, then that is on you.

Just ask yourself, why are you so desperate to defend this game and its monetization scheme? Why are you so offended over a simple statement of fact? It may be that you need a dose of reality.

 

[hemo memo]

None of that is a fact, that is simply your generalization on the people who play this and spend money on MTX...

The psychology of loot boxes and microtransactions is not a myth. There is a reason why this game and games of that predatory nature is banned in different countries. You think that type of design came by coincidence? Research the topic and you’ll find plenty of sources from psychologists talking about it.

 

[EDMIX]

It has been proven, time and again in this thread and many others. If you wish to continue to remain ignorant, then that is on you.

You put up the fucking facts yourself, its your argument to make. So I don't think you know all of the people who play this game to argue they are deranged and mentality ill anymore then any other title.

why are you so desperate to defend this game and its monetization scheme?

I'm defending that someone has the right to download or buy a game or buy MTX if they feel just. None of that means they are automatically deranged or mentality ill or being scammed or anything of the sort.

What you are saying is your view and opinion on the matter, not some fact. Might as well cry and say Call Of Duty and GTA sales are of the mentality ill and deranged and a scam, oh its a fact, time and time again, look at other threads doe /s lol

It may be that you need a dose of reality.

From the person making it sound like they know the mental state of the millions that downloaded this game?

How the fuck would you know their mental state any more then those who bought that Stray game or the last Assassins Creed?

This simply sounds like someone wanted a game, downloaded it...someone wanted some MTX, bought it.. Thats it. To pretend its more sane at act as if you know the mental state of millions that bought it if anything would be more of a out of reality statement man lol

Tell us with your crystal ball how many of the people who buy Mario Kart have in grown nails and how many have green eyes and how many have a degree or not. All that is normal though? This claim of this as a fact is reality to you or? lol

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

You put up the fucking facts yourself, its your argument to make. So I don't think you know all of the people who play this game to argue they are deranged and mentality ill anymore then any other title.



I'm defending that someone has the right to download or buy a game or buy MTX if they feel just. None of that means they are automatically deranged or mentality ill or being scammed or anything of the sort.

What you are saying is your view and opinion on the matter, not some fact. Might as well cry and say Call Of Duty and GTA sales are of the mentality ill and deranged and a scam, oh its a fact, time and time again, look at other threads doe /s lol


From the person making it sound like they know the mental state of the millions that downloaded this game?

How the fuck would you know their mental state any more then those who bought that Stray game or the last Assassins Creed?

This simply sounds like someone wanted a game, downloaded it...someone wanted some MTX, bought it.. Thats it. To pretend its more sane at act as if you know the mental state of millions that bought it if anything would be more of a out of reality statement man lol

Tell us with your crystal ball how many of the people who buy Mario Kart have in grown nails and how many have green eyes and how many have a degree or not. All that is normal though? This claim of this as a fact is reality to you or? lol

You are definitely one of the folks I mentioned. Just be up front. How much money did you waste in these scams?

 

[Goalus]

"We wanna do it in a way that feels right, for mobile gamers!"
Would have been correct.
Mobile gamers are happy with this type of monetization and are even demanding it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Interesting article on whales, mtx, revenue per user etc....

What Are Mobile Game Whales and How to Catch Them? - Udonis

Mobile game whales are a tiny group (around 2%) of players that drive the majority of mobile game revenue. Learn how to "catch" them!

www.blog.udonis.co

 

[hemo memo]

"We wanna do it in a way that feels right, for mobile gamers!"
Would have been correct.
Mobile gamers are happy with this type of monetization and are even demanding it.

I would say they need help. I know family members that once were the victim of this same predatory immoral inhuman game design, thankfully they quit.

 

[EDMIX]

You are definitely one of the folks I mentioned. Just be up front. How much money did you waste in these scams?

lol yea sooooo your issue is you think anyone disagreeing with you seems to some skin in the game or dog in the race or some shit.

I didn't download this game, I don't buy MTX, I don't even know the last time I bought some MTX or any major DLC, maybe with Witcher 3 or something lol Not everyone playing that game you can just argue is mentally ill and you need to put up a legit argument on how this is a scam.

Lots of games I don't like and don't play, I don't reach to the level of calling em scams or the people who buy them deranged.

hemo memo Sad, I feel for your family member Hemo, but anyone can show all those people addicted to tech on Intervention, it would hardly make sense to argue all gamers fit that to then argue anyone playing this is mentally ill or something. Its a massive reach and generation as I'm pretty sure we can make this argument about all games, I'm sure a fuck ton of games we play have some addict doing some crazy shit in it and having no life or something, but I simply see no evidence to pretend that is now a default or something.

Trazyn the Infinite tell us more about that crystal ball lol Your are taking a study to a absolute fact that one could using this dumbass logic argue all games are this.

have a good one with logic bud, sent to that ignore shadow realm lol

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

lol yea sooooo your issue is you think anyone disagreeing with you seems to some skin in the game or dog in the race or some shit.

I didn't download this game, I don't buy MTX, I don't even know the last time I bought some MTX or any major DLC, maybe with Witcher 3 or something lol Not everyone playing that game you can just argue is mentally ill and you need to put up a legit argument on how this is a scam.

Lots of games I don't like and don't play, I don't reach to the level of calling em scams or the people who buy them deranged.

Yet you continue to create walls of posts in a desperate bid to deny reality. Interesting.

 

[EDMIX]

I would say they need help. I know family members that once were the victim of this same predatory immoral inhuman game design, thankfully they quit.

Sad, but would be like saying Mario Kart's sales is based on that too.

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You can literally look up almost any game and some story exist on some weird addiction. I don't doubt something is wrong with such a person, simply I can't then generalize the whole install base whole plays it and try to chalk up its sales due to predatory design.

With a game being made for fun and clearly designed for you to return, this fucking argument can be made about all gaming...

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I have a confession to make. I'm addicted to gaming and I need help. But I don't know where to turn. Here's my story.

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^ So clearly this can't be all gamers and I can't just assume a chunk of those playing those games are doing any of that shit.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

Sad, but would be like saying Mario Kart's sales is based on that too.

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You can literally look up almost any game and some story exist on some weird addiction. I don't doubt something is wrong with such a person, simply I can't then generalize the whole install base whole plays it and try to chalk up its sales due to predatory design.

With a game being made for fun and clearly designed for you to return, this fucking argument can be made about all gaming...

There is a galaxy’s worth of difference between something designed for entertainment and something designed to manipulate addiction and promote gambling.

Your attempts to dismiss this are just sad now, EDMIX… Well more sad and pitiful than they already were.

 

[Belthazar]

Initially, I thought they'd spread the games out with a good gap in between. But Activision must be thinking the user bases are so different, and the games are too that they can co-exist.

And they're right, the aim is completely different and the overlap in audiences isn't that big. Especially not for the big spenders in Immortal, I doubt they're the same hardcore fans that will buy IV for $60. The hardcore fanbase probably tried and even finished Immortal without spending a dime or even spending very little.

 

[BadBurger]

There's a reason so many mobile gaming companies advertise heavily on social media - particularly Twitter. Give the average person a game that can be played in short stints on their phone or ipad and they'll drop some money on it.

 

[EDMIX]

There's a reason so many mobile gaming companies advertise heavily on social media - particularly Twitter. Give the average person a game that can be played in short stints on their phone or ipad and they'll drop some money on it.

Agreed, but that loop makes sense for a phone type game in the first place and everything is marketed on social media. The game still needs to be good, playable and have some sort of life for anyone to want to spend some money on it.

I didn't know all that was deeply marketed on Twitter as I don't have an account on that site lol I'd expect as such though. The base that is playing this, I doubt will effect the base that will buy Diablo IV.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Interesting article on whales, mtx, revenue per user etc....

What Are Mobile Game Whales and How to Catch Them? - Udonis

Mobile game whales are a tiny group (around 2%) of players that drive the majority of mobile game revenue. Learn how to "catch" them!

www.blog.udonis.co

Most people freeload isn't really surprising. That's true of any situation where paying money is optional.....even religion!

You would be surprised to find out that only about 5% of churchgoers tithe. And yet religion is unbelievably profitable, you can Google it if you don't believe me. So in that sense, religion is the original gacha, a small number of people subsidize everyone else who gets into Heaven for free.