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[Leyasu]

No, i'm saying it affected the industry in a positive way. Just like it could og the other way round

Okay sorry I misunderstood

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Okay sorry I misunderstood

It's all good

 

[Sosokrates]

Don't tell me to learn to read then.



Which franchise pretty much dominates the number one spot in the NPD?

This guy of course

 

[oldergamer]

they can't even manage their current studios fine. how do you expect them to steer small studios towards being behemots like santa monica / nd / guerilla etc. they simply don't care about their games' quality, that's thing out of the window with Xbox. look at how they manage 343. they give 0 care. absolutely no moves towards them to fix their shit up.
turn 10 is decent but they're decent themselves. no incentive or push from msoft

how can i trust xbox game studios to be like ps studios when i see how their studios already does a lackluster job? clearly they cannot manage their studios like sony does and that's why as you said they just brute forced their way into blizzard/bethesda/activision. but problem does not end there. xbox game studios is so bad at managing that i'm quite sure that these developers too will lose discipline that they seldom had in the past, and will become worse game studios in upcoming years

lack of vision, understanding what makes a video game good and not forgettable, creating rich and meaningful experiences: these are the things xbox studios do not seem to care. if not, they wouldn't slip imsomniac away. sony is not a magical wizard, they see a glimmer of talent, capability and they just bolster it with their vision and help them achieve what they want. i simply don't see that light from xbox game studios.

You simply have no clue what they are doing to support studios. Im so sick of seeing statements like this from a gaming board where not a single person has a clue what they arr doing. But do go on making wild bullshit claims

 

[oldergamer]

They’re probably right, but I feel they brought this on themselves by moneyhatting CoD year after year, keeping it off GamePass etc. Something was bound to happen, although I doubt anyone saw this purchase coming..

It’ll be very interesting to see where things go post acquisition.

nobody saw it coming. The activision board deciding its time after multiple scandals threatened to affect the stock price.

 

[PSYGN]

Actually, they can easily gain back a lot of the pre-MW2019 CoD multiplayer base if they market it right.
Many players like me don't find the newer CoD games as enjoyable as CoD: 4 thru CoD: BO4, but the new CoD games have found new fans, many from the Battlefield camp.

All they need to do:

• Perk system
• Rank progression system (unlocking guns, non-gimped attachments)
• Fun killstreaks
• Little to no skill based matchmaking (players get to see themselves improve organically)
• Stat tracking
• Fluid/snappy feel (none of the realistic weighty stuff where campers have a huge leg up over players that like to move)
• No disbanding lobby (trash talkers were part of the fun when you put them back in their place imo)
• and all the stuff people loved/hate (emblems, death streaks, quick scopers, thermal LMG's, plantable lethals)

Much as a I hate a lot of the cheap deaths I'd happily accept it now if I can have the older CoD games back. Marketing would be very crucial though and it would be interesting to see how they can poach back these players without getting into legalities. Probably take on the nostalgia angle. If they do it right and the game is consistently good then more people will try it out especially if it's F2P.

 

[GenericUser]

People that believe CoD or other major franchises will stay on playstation are illusional. Microsoft is not spending 70 billions to support their competitor. And what is sony even trying to say with that statement? "please don't allow them to buy cod, we need cod to sell playstations!". Yeah, no shit sherlock, that's the whole reason Microsoft bought shitty activision in the first place. To hurt playstation and ultimately force them out of the console market.

 

[sainraja]

didn't they just buy Bungie ? .....

Well, they have also been pretty clear with the message they put out about Bungie games availability on which platforms. They didn't play with their wordings, didn't talk about conditionals or contracts, they simply said they will be available on all platforms including rival ones and they also clarified any of their future IP would also be. Sony themselves didn't name Xbox, but Bungie did in their FAQs. Not exactly the same situation.

 

[yamaci17]

You simply have no clue what they are doing to support studios. Im so sick of seeing statements like this from a gaming board where not a single person has a clue what they arr doing. But do go on making wild bullshit claims

where are high production budget games like:
horizon zero dawn
forbidden west
god of war
last of us 1/2
ghost of thusima
death stranding
spiderman
bloodborne
detroit become human

these great games are absent on xbox
let's see what games are absen on playstation

gears 4/5 , crap continuation of a great series. clearly a misdirected franchise thanks to the imcompentece of xbox studios, most likely
halo infinite, above average campaign but nothing groundbreaking. nothing like the games above. and it is supported so bad that more and more people abandon the game everyday
halo 5, horrible game
quantum break a short 8 hr flick
sea of thieves a very good multiplayer fun game, but nothing like the games listed above

then remains forza horizon and forza motorsport. only decent, valid, console-seller type of high production game. then again, it is its own niche.

just admit, Xbox studios are either incapable of making games like PS studios do, or they don't care about that type of thing. even sony might abandon them, since they don't sell as much as valorant, fortnite skins. it is actually a blessing that sony still pushes and supports those studios and produces those great high quality games.

i'm just an observer, bruh. yes i have no idea. my ideas are completely based on what i see and been seeing for the recent 10 years. xbox studios CANNOT make a high production narrative focused high quality 90+ metacritic game. PERIOD. they lack the vision, they're mismanaged and above all they don't have any passion towards building such a game

i just want ONE 90+ metacrtic high production story focused game out of xbox. JUST ONE. they simply have NONE. it is really unacceptable in grand scheme of things.

 

[chromhound]

Haze 2 / Black 2 / Killzone / Resistance/ MAG 2

 

[oldergamer]

where are high production budget games like:
horizon zero dawn
forbidden west
god of war
last of us 1/2
ghost of thusima
death stranding
spiderman
bloodborne
detroit become human

these great games are absent on xbox
let's see what games are absen on playstation

gears 4/5 , crap continuation of a great series. clearly a misdirected franchise thanks to the imcompentece of xbox studios, most likely
halo infinite, above average campaign but nothing groundbreaking. nothing like the games above. and it is supported so bad that more and more people abandon the game everyday
halo 5, horrible game
quantum break a short 8 hr flick
sea of thieves a very good multiplayer fun game, but nothing like the games listed above

then remains forza horizon and forza motorsport. only decent, valid, console-seller type of high production game. then again, it is its own niche.

just admit, Xbox studios are either incapable of making games like PS studios do, or they don't care about that type of thing. even sony might abandon them, since they don't sell as much as valorant, fortnite skins. it is actually a blessing that sony still pushes and supports those studios and produces those great high quality games.

i'm just an observer, bruh. yes i have no idea. my ideas are completely based on what i see and been seeing for the recent 10 years. xbox studios CANNOT make a high production narrative focused high quality 90+ metacritic game. PERIOD. they lack the vision, they're mismanaged and above all they don't have any passion towards building such a game

i just want ONE 90+ metacrtic high production story focused game out of xbox. JUST ONE. they simply have NONE. it is really unacceptable in grand scheme of things.

That wall of text isnt proof you know what they are doing for studios. Basing what you think from 10 yrs back whel steve ballmer was fucking up ms isnt a good gauge

 

[mckmas8808]

Sony: We like to buy stuff but don't like it when our competition does.

Stupid comment. Sony has done nothing like this deal and you know it!

 

[Zok310]

They obviously mean replicate its commercial success, even if the game is better in every way.
Im pretty sure there are talented teams out there that can create a better game but good luck letting the world know its a better game.

 

[onesvenus]

I'm pretty sure regulators are going to consider Sony's views more, since they're the direct competitor to Xbox in the console space. Obviously

So you think that, in order to get the most objective view of the matter, they will take the word of the company who is likely to be more subjective due to what they might lose on that and not all the other ones who say the complete opposite. Is that right?

 

[ManaByte]

Stupid comment. Sony has done nothing like this deal and you know it!

Bullshit and you know it.

 

[01011001]

gears 4/5 , crap continuation of a great series. clearly a misdirected franchise thanks to the imcompentece of xbox studios,

Gears 4 and 5 are both better than Gears 1 and 3 imo.

the only actually decent game of the first trilogy was Gears 2.

Gears 1 was the brith of the concept but not fully fleshed out yet.

Gears 2 was the fleshed out form of the concept started with Gears 1. better Leveldesign, better bosses, better artdesign etc.

Gears 3 was an uninspired and boringly designed shooter with really bad Leveldesign, most likely stemming from the push for 4 player coop

Gears 4 was not as good as Gears 2 but miles ahead of the other 2 games in the og trilogy and it had some moments where it kinda felt like they pay homage to sequences from the Contra series... which I kinda liked
what dragged Gears 4 down hard were the Tower Defense sequences, which should have never made it into the game.

Gears 5, and especially the DLC, are imo only slightly worse (main game) to on par (dlc) with Gears 2.
Gears 5 finally sped up the game and made cover less of an essential gameplay mechanic and more into a tool you can use but aren't reliant on. I barely went into cover in many of the gunfights in the game on Hard ("Experienced")
Cover now also isn't just a thing you hide behind but you can actually use it offensively now.

 

[John Wick]

They are basically saying it without saying it. A business would never say we can't do it. Instead they've said none of the biggest developers on the planet could make a comoetitor. That's basically saying including themselves without saying it.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. They just want to try and stop it going through. I wonder if it will have any effect on it.

It probably may not stop the deal but MS may have to give guarantees that COD isn't exclusive just to Xbox or something similar before the deal is approved.

 

[Topher]

In a thread where many posts are trying to sermonize around the difference between Sony studio acquisitions and MS publisher acquisitions, it’s interesting that you’re doing ‘both sides’ with the ‘moneyhatting’ (I hate that word) when it’s clearly disproportionately skewed towards one side.

Ask an Xbox fan who is worse and its Sony. Ask a PlayStation fan who is worse and its Microsoft.

I don't give a shit who is worse. They both do this crap and it sucks.

 

[Punished Miku]

They obviously mean replicate its commercial success, even if the game is better in every way.
Im pretty sure there are talented teams out there that can create a better game but good luck letting the world know its a better game.

You guys do know that Fortnite, PUBG and Apex just managed to compete with Call of Duty recently right?

Even if you're a Sony fan, their argument here is really pathetic. They have several of the best studios around and are arguing they can't compete. Of course they can.

Guerrilla, Bungie, Insomniac all made FPS franchises and can all do it again. Didn't they also buy another one too?

 

[ManaByte]

I wonder how these publishers feel about Sony shitting in them like this?

 

[John Wick]

Bullshit and you know it.

What 70 billion deal has Sony done?

 

[oldergamer]

where are high production budget games like:
horizon zero dawn
forbidden west
god of war
last of us 1/2
ghost of thusima
death stranding
spiderman
bloodborne
detroit become human

these great games are absent on xbox
let's see what games are absen on playstation

gears 4/5 , crap continuation of a great series. clearly a misdirected franchise thanks to the imcompentece of xbox studios, most likely
halo infinite, above average campaign but nothing groundbreaking. nothing like the games above. and it is supported so bad that more and more people abandon the game everyday
halo 5, horrible game
quantum break a short 8 hr flick
sea of thieves a very good multiplayer fun game, but nothing like the games listed above

then remains forza horizon and forza motorsport. only decent, valid, console-seller type of high production game. then again, it is its own niche.

just admit, Xbox studios are either incapable of making games like PS studios do, or they don't care about that type of thing. even sony might abandon them, since they don't sell as much as valorant, fortnite skins. it is actually a blessing that sony still pushes and supports those studios and produces those great high quality games.

i'm just an observer, bruh. yes i have no idea. my ideas are completely based on what i see and been seeing for the recent 10 years. xbox studios CANNOT make a high production narrative focused high quality 90+ metacritic game. PERIOD. they lack the vision, they're mismanaged and above all they don't have any passion towards building such a game

i just want ONE 90+ metacrtic high production story focused game out of xbox. JUST ONE. they simply have NONE. it is really unacceptable in grand scheme of things.

We are all just observers. Its not possible to tell what happens at studios only by the output of games.

 

[lh032]

What 70 billion deal has Sony done?

psygnosis would have worth 70 billion now due to inflation if Sony did not closed it down

 

[TheTony316]

I actually think it's great. It forces Sony to focus even more on their first party like Nintendo.

 

[ManaByte]

What 70 billion deal has Sony done?

They bought Tomb Raider exclusively for an entire generation after the Saturn version ran faster.

Then when Destiny came out they moneyhatted content to keep it off Xbox. There were entire Strikes you could only access in the PlayStation version.

Most recently they moneyhatted Final Fantasy for exclusively.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So you think that, in order to get the most objective view of the matter, they will take the word of the company who is likely to be more subjective due to what they might lose on that and not all the other ones who say the complete opposite. Is that right?

What's going to happen is they're going to look at the obvious facts. Which are financial numbers Sony's provided, NPD data, and come to the obvious conclusion that yes. COD is a staple FPS that has no real competitor.

 

[Javthusiast]

Sony: We don't like them aquiring Activision.
Sony: We bought Square Enix, praise us.

These comments from any company ring hollow, cause they all do the same things.

 

[hinch7]

People that believe CoD or other major franchises will stay on playstation are illusional. Microsoft is not spending 70 billions to support their competitor. And what is sony even trying to say with that statement? "please don't allow them to buy cod, we need cod to sell playstations!". Yeah, no shit sherlock, that's the whole reason Microsoft bought shitty activision in the first place. To hurt playstation and ultimately force them out of the console market.

At bold - its Delusional. They spent billions on Minecraft. And they've made a lot of money and own one of the biggest IP's in gaming. Same goes for this deal. They are in it to make (more) capita and CoD and Activision Blizzard games make tonne of revenue YOY.

Now they own some of the biggest IP's in multiple genres. With CoD still being absolutely huge in gaming. They want to sell/bolster their subscription services. Having Call of Duty on Game Pass would be massive and I dare say be potentially quite damaging to Sony's platform. Can just see the marketing push for CoD being on GP and Xbox advertisements.

Besides that their PR went out their way to reassure us that CoD is staying on Sony PlayStation so we're just going to have to take their word for it (< link to Eurogamer article).

 

[xHunter]

They bought Tomb Raider exclusively for an entire generation after the Saturn version ran faster.

Then when Destiny came out they moneyhatted content to keep it off Xbox. There were entire Strikes you could only access in the PlayStation version.

Most recently they moneyhatted Final Fantasy for exclusively.

Sony paid 70 billion for all of these things? Damn they got scammed pretty hard here...

 

[Deerock71]

Microsoft's big, wide foot turned BOTH of Sony's balls into pap smears.

 

[01011001]

We are all just observers.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You guys do know that Fortnite, PUBG and Apex just managed to compete with Call of Duty recently right?

Even if you're a Sony fan, their argument here is really pathetic. They have several of the best studios around and are arguing they can't compete. Of course they can.

Guerrilla, Bungie, Insomniac all made FPS franchises and can all do it again. Didn't they also buy another one too?

Killzone and Resistance were on the same level as COD?

 

[John Wick]

Whats the point of being in business if you can't make purchases/deals to put you ahead of your competition? Why would Sony's lack of ability to create an ecosystem like COD's have any impact on this deal getting approved or not?

A company well known for monoplies and stifling competition shouldn't be allowed to buy certain companies. Also uses profit from other sectors to dominate in another.
Could Xbox even afford AB without MS profits from elsewhere? Xbox would be dead wood without money from elsewhere propping it up. Shows you how poor Xbox division is without the warchest.

 

[Ozriel]

Stupid comment. Sony has done nothing like this deal and you know it!

I don’t believe he ever said anything about scale.

Paying money to secure exclusivity of IP and talent is not restricted to Microsoft. Both sides have done it in recent years, and have pushed it in their earnings calls as a viable strategy for software expansion.

You really can’t be arguing for the same corporation that bought Crunchyroll to set up an absolute dominance in anime streaming.

 

[pasterpl]

This idea that Sony brought it on themselves is just a fallacy. MS has a clear strategy. Whether Sony plays nice or acts like a dick was never going to stop MS from throwing their weight around.

Didn’t Sony pay for deathloop and ghost wire exclusivity and they were apparently interested in starfield timed exclusivity as well? This feels like they have forced ms hand with Bethesda acquisition. With cod we know that Sony had marketing deals with Activision for years, maybe they had discussion about timed exclusivity for cod as well? We don’t know.

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

Even if Sony put a game that is better than COD in every way, still it's hard to beat a game that have such massive following, the other thing is, Sony would never antagonize such partner by competing with them, Sony didn't need to make a COD game, they already have that game, their focus was in bringing other experiences that differentiates their product from the competition.

 

[Punished Miku]

Killzone and Resistance were on the same level as COD?

Your entire way of looking at this is literally backwards. They're going to be looking to see if its possible to compete, and it 100% is. A small Korean AA looking shooter called PUBG managed to compete. Fortnite is probably bigger than Call of Duty now. Apex is right up there with the top shooters as well.

Insomniac, Guerrilla, Bungie are literally 3 of the top studios in all of game development and all 3 have extensive experience making FPS games. And they just got Deviation right? Sony is literally more able to compete than anyone else, and they're doing the most crying. It's ridiculous.

You honestly think Call of Duty has such a strangehold that no one else can possible replace it? That's obviously untrue if you look at all the other shooters I mentioned. All you're doing is looking at who is popular and crying.

 

[DaGwaphics]

A company well known for monoplies and stifling competition shouldn't be allowed to buy certain companies. Also uses profit from other sectors to dominate in another.
Could Xbox even afford AB without MS profits from elsewhere? Xbox would be dead wood without money from elsewhere propping it up. Shows you how poor Xbox division is without the warchest.

This is just a ridiculous statement. Huge corporations jump into new segments all the time (ehmm Sony in 94), what money do you think they start with? Sony themselves have used PS profits to bolster other segments of their business.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Didn’t Sony pay for deathloop and ghost wire exclusivity and they were apparently interested in starfield timed exclusivity as well? This feels like they have forced ms hand with Bethesda acquisition. With cod we know that Sony had marketing deals with Activision for years, maybe they had discussion about timed exclusivity for cod as well? We don’t know.

They're buying dozens of studios, spent $78 billion on ActiBliz, but they only bought Bethesda because "Sony forced their hand"?

Doesn't make much sense does it?

 

[Ozriel]

A company well known for monoplies and stifling competition shouldn't be allowed to buy certain companies. Also uses profit from other sectors to dominate in another.
Could Xbox even afford AB without MS profits from elsewhere? Xbox would be dead wood without money from elsewhere propping it up. Shows you how poor Xbox division is without the warchest.

Nobody ropes Microsoft and ‘monopoly’ together these days. In the eyes of the regulators, Apple, Amazon, Google et al are much worse.

There’s also absolutely nothing wrong with using resources from one division or the parent company to boost another division. Are you going to complain bitterly about Sony Pictures using PlayStation IP for movies too? Wasn’t the original PlayStation R&D funded from parent company Sony?

As many of you are fond of saying, it’s the games that matter at the end of the day. ‘Warchest’ is really none of my concern.

 

[Kagey K]

A company well known for monoplies and stifling competition shouldn't be allowed to buy certain companies. Also uses profit from other sectors to dominate in another.
Could Xbox even afford AB without MS profits from elsewhere? Xbox would be dead wood without money from elsewhere propping it up. Shows you how poor Xbox division is without the warchest.

Playstation would have been gone during the PS3 era had it not been for Sonys Insurance/financial division and the liquidation of a bunch of buildings.

I suppose that's different though.

 

[Ozriel]

They're buying dozens of studios, spent $78 billion on ActiBliz, but they only bought Bethesda because "Sony forced their hand"?

Doesn't make much sense does it?

Yeah, you don’t make much sense. Because this timeline where Activision acquisition preceded the Bethesda purchase is all out of order

 

[pasterpl]

they can't even manage their current studios fine.

Publisher of the year 2021 re to metacritic

lack of vision, understanding what makes a video game good and not forgettable, creating rich and meaningful experiences: these are the things xbox studios do not seem to care. if not, they wouldn't slip imsomniac away. sony is not a magical wizard, they see a glimmer of talent, capability and they just bolster it with their vision and help them achieve what they want. i simply don't see that light from xbox game studios.

Forza horizon, sea of thieves, flight sim - show me Sony games with equally long legs that people enjoy for years and not only single play through.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Your entire way of looking at this is literally backwards. They're going to be looking to see if its possible to compete, and it 100% is. A small Korean AA looking shooter called PUBG managed to compete. Fortnite is probably bigger than Call of Duty now. Apex is right up there with the top shooters as well.

Insomniac, Guerrilla, Bungie are literally 3 of the top studios in all of game development and all 3 have extensive experience making FPS games. And they just got Deviation right? Sony is literally more able to compete than anyone else, and they're doing the most crying. It's ridiculous.

You honestly think Call of Duty has such a strangehold that no one else can possible replace it? That's obviously untrue if you look at all the other shooters I mentioned. All you're doing is looking at who is popular and crying.

You come up with as much bullshit as you want and i'll keep pointing you towards the NPD charts.

Sony can release as many Killzones, as many Resistance games as they want. It didn't touch COD back then, it's not touching COD now. Why are you trying to cope with the fact that MS bought a dominant franchise?

 

[Sosokrates]

They're buying dozens of studios, spent $78 billion on ActiBliz, but they only bought Bethesda because "Sony forced their hand"?

Doesn't make much sense does it?

Perhaps if actually considered his points, it would...

 

[John Wick]

They bought Tomb Raider exclusively for an entire generation after the Saturn version ran faster.

Then when Destiny came out they moneyhatted content to keep it off Xbox. There were entire Strikes you could only access in the PlayStation version.

Most recently they moneyhatted Final Fantasy for exclusively.

MS did the same for Tomb Raider and? MS have been doing it too. Remember COD on 360? Nothing stopping them moneyhatting is there?
Show me the $70 billion dollar deal equivalent? MS has its own studios and publishing.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Yeah, you don’t make much sense. Because this timeline where Activision acquisition preceded the Bethesda purchase is all out of order

The timeline is irrelevent.

 

[Punished Miku]

You come up with as much bullshit as you want and i'll keep pointing you towards the NPD charts.

Sony can release as many Killzones, as many Resistance games as they want. It didn't touch COD back then, it's not touching COD now. Why are you trying to cope with the fact that MS bought a dominant franchise?

That's not how reality works. Call of Duty is not guaranteed to be popular forever. And Sony has the ability to create a 20 million selling FPS now from world class studios anytime it wants to try. Nothing you said here is true.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Perhaps if actually considered his points, it would...

His point is cause = causation. Need more than that

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

Sony: We like to buy stuff but don't like it when our competition does.

Yeah, Sony bought Bungie, but the games from Bungie will stay multiplatform. Thats not the intension what MS has with the buyout of several publishers...