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Shuhei Yoshida: "We believe in the premium release of a title" before subscriptions

kikii

Member
Some random news article > your anecdotal evidence

Deal with being in that small minority, bro!
FH5 sales 2mil end of may, playerbase 20mil (including me 1.5hrs in, as its same as FH4 just different map aka DLC), GPU 1€ for million years, not literally wana take part of this stuff, but who cares how much some company makes profit more? noone of u kiddos are stock holders :p
 
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Pelta88

Member
It's just maths. Gamepass currently makes roughly $200m per month in revenue. Even if we assume that they spend half of that on 3rd party deals (they don't, not even close) and server costs, the other $100m a month are more than enough to pay for all the games they're making. And Gamepass will keep growing.

Again, you're being disingenuous.

You're fully aware that GP can't sustain it's own marquee franchise, Halo. But you're here stating false numbers like they're facts. I get that you support the XB platform but you might as well be talking about Fairy Dust powering the hard drive.

Back up your numbers with receipts! Also please refrain from making knowingly false statements.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
This is a really bad argument in your part. Your trying to gate keep what makes someone an enthusiastic? Really?

Even your argument against Netflix is weak as fuck.

Really think about what you typed there. I can understand that YOU want to own your movies, your games, your music, etc. But that is NOT what makes someone an enthusiastic. Why do I even need to say this? Such a weird take on your part.

So a cinephile that goes to see movies every week in a theater is not actually an enthusiasts because they don't own the films? And if they do own the them, but own them digitally they're less of an enthusiast than someone that owns the bluray? Yikes. Seriously, think about what you wrote. Bizarre take.
In the case of music (high quality rips) and home cinema (streaming, even at ‘4k’ does not produce the same image as a disc due to the rate of bits) you absolute would prefer physical media if you are an enthusiast.

Obviously gaming isn’t the same in that you don’t receive a worse copy if you own it digitally, it’s the same. Could an argument be made that game ownership is more hardcore than game renting, absolutely. You can also say that if you purchase games outright you are directly supporting the genres and developers you love, which makes you more of an enthusiast. It’s entirely up to people how they view it themselves.
 
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Banjo64

cumsessed
To the point now that, if you're still buying Xbox games to play on your Xbox... why?? What games are you still buying that aren't on Game Pass? How much gaming do you need when you've already got so much stuff on Game Pass available for "free"? What doesn't Game Pass give you? That's the difference. PS Plus was always a nice little supplement in addition to the great games you happily buy individually to amass your collection, whereas Xbox Game Pass is selling itself as a neverending, all-included smorgasborg that they're just feeding you, and feeding you, and feeding you...
Elden Ring, Cuphead, tonnes and tonnes of 3D platformers (there’s barely any on Game Pass). That’s my taste.
 

fallingdove

Member
Why do you put your mental fantasies out there for all to read?

A/ you don't work in MS finance, so you don't know anything about losses or profits around GP, and more importantly B/ MS just reached into their back pocket and pulled out $100B to fuel this "loss leader". Companies - even MS - don't make those decisions without strong confidence in the business they are growing.

All reality counters your weird narrative which basically summaries up to "anyyyyy day now..., You'll see". It's been 5 years, and it's still here - maybe you'll be right in 5 more years, but you aren't right today.

Lol. Probably not worth debating the financial viability of GamePass, it seems that your handle on business concepts are relatively limited.

In terms of “my narrative”. As the topic framed - Sony has no interest in day one releases on PS++. The posts I have responded to were adamant that Sony would HAVE to follow Microsoft’s lead — the only path forward is subscription. To which I responded, too many unknowns with GamePass, it is unlikely that GamePass is successful enough at this point to force a direction for the market.

Dots connected?
 

akimbo009

Gold Member
Lol. Probably not worth debating the financial viability of GamePass, it seems that your handle on business concepts are relatively limited.

In terms of “my narrative”. As the topic framed - Sony has no interest in day one releases on PS++. The posts I have responded to were adamant that Sony would HAVE to follow Microsoft’s lead — the only path forward is subscription. To which I responded, too many unknowns with GamePass, it is unlikely that GamePass is successful enough at this point to force a direction for the market.

Dots connected?

It doesn't need to force a market direction, it needs to have MS manage a successful and growing business. By all measures that is happening through their own investment and reporting out to the market.

Business can have very different approaches and still be successful. And you're right, Sony doesn't have to but they are already have begun taking steps towards it so pretty sure they have come to some conclusions that it is providing value to it's customers and business.
 

Lognor

Banned
Your sources aren`t even about GP. They´re not worth the bits they make up in the DB they`re stored in and even if they weren`t just hogwash completely unrelated to GP they`d still contradict you depending on which of the contained stats one arbitrarily attaches to GP. But you know that, which is why you just keep repeating the same nonsense like a broken record as if that would change anything.
Your only source is "bro, trust me"
Didn`t your mom teach you not to lie?


I have no clue and neither do you.
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Even if you used the lowest retention numbers provided in those sources they STILL show that your behavior is abnormal.

Again I'll ask, do you think a significant number of people subscribe to game pass for a month to play a game and then cancel? I think you finally realize that you're abnormal and don't want to admit it. That's okay to be abnormal. You're special!
 

Haggard

Banned
You're special!
I'm sorry to tell you that this phrase didn't mean what you think it meant when your parents told you that.
Again I'll ask, do you think a significant number of people subscribe to game pass for a month to play a game and then cancel?
I'm not sure why you keep asking me that. I'm not a MS manager, so anything I could say would just be a worthless uninformed guess, just like anything you have to say on this matter. So I'm sorry, but unlike other people I decided not to comment on stuff I absolutely have no clue about.
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MacReady13

Member
Companies - even MS - don't make those decisions without strong confidence in the business they are growing.
Windows Mobile. Zune. Windows Vista. Windows ME. Microsoft has made mistakes. Lets not kid ourselves- Microsoft went down the subscription path cause they had zero choice- They were getting so thoroughly beaten in the console race it was basically the ONLY thing they could do to try compete. This way they never have to mention console sale numbers or software sale numbers! Just mention hours played and subscription numbers!
 

MacReady13

Member
Again I'll ask, do you think a significant number of people subscribe to game pass for a month to play a game and then cancel? I think you finally realize that you're abnormal and don't want to admit it. That's okay to be abnormal. You're special!
Fuck off clown. Many people do that with sub services. Hence why they are MONTHLY. Show me the figures that show it is an abnormal thing and we can start believing you before calling people out for it. Fucking hell, some people going out of their way to die for a fucking subscription service. Unreal!
 

Lognor

Banned
I'm sorry to tell you that this phrase didn't mean what you think it meant when your parents told you that.

I'm not sure why you keep asking me that. I'm not a MS manager, so anything I could say would just be a worthless uninformed guess, just like anything you have to say on this matter. So I'm sorry, but unlike other people I decided not to comment on stuff I absolutely have no clue about.
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Glad you finally admit that ;)

Enjoy your one month at a time Game Pass subscription. LOL. Not too many are as special as you.

Fuck off clown. Many people do that with sub services. Hence why they are MONTHLY. Show me the figures that show it is an abnormal thing and we can start believing you before calling people out for it. Fucking hell, some people going out of their way to die for a fucking subscription service. Unreal!
Calm down. Go back through our discussion and you will see two sources I provided. If you have anything counter to that, please provide it. Haggard's anecdotal evidence ain't gonna cut it!
 

Haggard

Banned
Fuck off clown. Many people do that with sub services. Hence why they are MONTHLY. Show me the figures that show it is an abnormal thing and we can start believing you before calling people out for it. Fucking hell, some people going out of their way to die for a fucking subscription service. Unreal!
Geez man don't be like that. He's trying his best......

I think.
 

NeroDaGod

Member
Even if you used the lowest retention numbers provided in those sources they STILL show that your behavior is abnormal.

Again I'll ask, do you think a significant number of people subscribe to game pass for a month to play a game and then cancel? I think you finally realize that you're abnormal and don't want to admit it. That's okay to be abnormal. You're special!
Nobody knows whether they do or not, but one of the things I do know for sure is that people can be extremely cheap and will do the absolute mostest to save money or get something for free. The whole game sharing thing on PlayStation is proof of that so it’s not out of the realm of possibility for Xbox gamers to do the same or similar things on Xbox.
 

fallingdove

Member
Even if you used the lowest retention numbers provided in those sources they STILL show that your behavior is abnormal.

Again I'll ask, do you think a significant number of people subscribe to game pass for a month to play a game and then cancel? I think you finally realize that you're abnormal and don't want to admit it. That's okay to be abnormal. You're special!
I subscribe for a month at a time and cancel. No point in wasting money on hundreds of other games I have no interest in for the other 11 months of the year.
 

Lognor

Banned
Nobody knows whether they do or not, but one of the things I do know for sure is that people can be extremely cheap and will do the absolute mostest to save money or get something for free. The whole game sharing thing on PlayStation is proof of that so it’s not out of the realm of possibility for Xbox gamers to do the same or similar things on Xbox.
We can make an educated guess though based on other subscription services that do provide retention numbers though (Netflix, Spotify, Amazon Prime, Birchbox, etc). I don't think Sony provides retention numbers for PS Plus but we know that total subscribers have been increasing, with only this year showing a decrease. Even if you look at a service with a lower retention (I think Paramount might have 60% retention over 6 months) that is still as majority continuing to subscribe.

Haggard Haggard subscribes for a month when there is a game he wants to play. He said this cannot be good for developers, but when I pointed out that he's right it's not, but fortunately he is in the small minority he got very defensive. He didn't want to hear that he was in the minority, even though it's true. And that's where we're at.

I subscribe for a month at a time and cancel. No point in wasting money on hundreds of other games I have no interest in for the other 11 months of the year.
I don't doubt that you do. Same as Haggard Haggard . I know people like you two exist, but you are in the very small minority. MS expects there to be a small amount of people like you. It's built into their margins.


Ofc I do. I mean what kind of pathetic basement dwelling toe suckling virgin gay fish would try to pretend to have insider information when he really doesn't.
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I don't believe you, but I appreciate the notion.
So defensive, just because I pointed out that most people will stay subscribed longer term. It's okay that you're different. Hush child.
 

Haggard

Banned
So defensive, just because I pointed out that most people will stay subscribed longer term. It's okay that you're different. Hush child.
I´m sorry to break it to you, but blabbering on about a topic everyone around you knows you have absolutely no clue about because no one does really isn`t as cool as you think. Especially not when you seemingly had a stroke and just repeat the same nonsensical hogwash over and over again as if that would magically make your imagination come true instead of making you look like Biden at a press event.

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They do. And GP do not have 10mil subscribers.
It is not hard to see microsoft’s strategy here..
To think Sony should follow their strategy is crazy.
They will follow if they are losing. But that will be sure followed by scaling down production cost in their game design.
I think the official GP numbers are 25 million. I agree Sony should NOT follow MS strategy. Every platform holder should follow their own path. I do like that MS has not increased prices of their console or games and there is no evidence that their game quality is falling so maybe they are the only ones who can do it.
 

Lognor

Banned
I´m sorry to break it to you, but blabbering on about a topic everyone around you knows you have absolutely no clue about because no one does really isn`t as cool as you think. Especially not when you seemingly had a stroke and just repeat the same nonsensical hogwash over and over again as if that would magically make your imagination come true instead of making you look like Biden at a press event.

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What are you even trying to say? I think it's time for you to drop it. You're not adding anything to the conversation at this point. I made my point. Kthx
 

Haggard

Banned
What are you even trying to say? I think it's time for you to drop it. You're not adding anything to the conversation at this point. I made my point. Kthx
You don't have a point you have a baseless opinion you try to sell as fact, which is ofc childish nonsense.
Therefore this also has never been a conversation, this has just been you pretending not to suffer from that new age feelings > facts brainrot all along and failing...
 
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Hobbygaming

has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
Windows Mobile. Zune. Windows Vista. Windows ME. Microsoft has made mistakes. Lets not kid ourselves- Microsoft went down the subscription path cause they had zero choice- They were getting so thoroughly beaten in the console race it was basically the ONLY thing they could do to try compete. This way they never have to mention console sale numbers or software sale numbers! Just mention hours played and subscription numbers!
Yup and you can add Mixer and Kinect
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
So basically like another company that put all their stuff on their service day one.
Obviously fans loved it, who wouldn't.
But not everything the fans want is good for business or the industry
But they said it was sustainable and didn't hurt sales and fans champion it and preached their PR statements as facts, plus they can afford to do it...
Then they reported a 600 million lost.

Sony on the other hand

This is exactly the same.
 
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Who knows? Not like they reveal details of their success. Just PowerPoint slides with stats for dummies, like Apple does with the iPhone. Wonder why.
Well we can always compare how Game pass was doing relative to services like PS Now. Doing that it would be hard to conclude Game pass is a failure. Apple certainly doesn't report the number of iPhones sold. I hope you arent implying those devices are failures.

We don't know yet. If it doesn't meet their internal goals, the ones they created in the boardrooms, then it might be considered a failure to them later
Well they have to be doing something right or else we'd never hear complaints listed in both the CMA and Brazilian regulatory agencies that the service was tough to compete against. Usually failures are ignored not competed with.

Soooo.....


Annnnny day now!
Don't know why anyone would root for the failure of a service especially if they don't use it. Don't like it? Don't subscribe it's pretty simple.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
Again, you're being disingenuous.

You're fully aware that GP can't sustain it's own marquee franchise, Halo. But you're here stating false numbers like they're facts. I get that you support the XB platform but you might as well be talking about Fairy Dust powering the hard drive.

Back up your numbers with receipts! Also please refrain from making knowingly false statements.

If halo was good enough this time it would sustain itself. Just like apex or fortnite, or destiny, or all the other successful free to play games. Or games like sea of thieves and forza horizon etc.

343i just screwed the pooch. There's many more revenue streams in today's gaming than just game pass but it's down to the devs to make customers want to invest.

I've probably pumped hundreds into apex legends but it doesn't even make me feel bad because I've never paid for a legend and I've had hundreds of hours of fun with the game, so I will buy the battle pass and some skins I like every now and again to support.

People are too narrow with their vision when it comes to gamepass. There are many ways to monetise which dwvs already use, you just gotta make a good product and be strategic with that revenue stream.
 
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I think the official GP numbers are 25 million. I agree Sony should NOT follow MS strategy. Every platform holder should follow their own path. I do like that MS has not increased prices of their console or games and there is no evidence that their game quality is falling so maybe they are the only ones who can do it.
🤣Is this the new warring point, casually bring up how one console has raised the console price every opportunity? They need to actually release games before they can raise the price of them.

Not even sure why this topics still going. Sony's first party generally sell bucket loads, why would they stick them on a subscription?
Gamepass is Xbox's answer to their own repeated failures - time will tel if it pays or not.
Fans can talk about day and date all they want, but the service has been out 5 years now and until the day and date actually means something with AAA first party games and not 3rd party indies..
 
Sony is one of the most consistent publishers when it comes to having success with their AAA releases, they would have to be completely stupid to follow MS template. MS had run their studio to the ground when they came up with Gamepass and their every game on day one promise, it's not even comparable to the position Sony is in (not to mention that they already have more subscribers with PS+ without resorting to releasing everything on it day one anyway).
 
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pasterpl

Member
(not to mention that they already have more subscribers with PS+ without resorting to releasing everything on it day one anyway).
So should I believe you, or …what Sony said to Brazilian government;
Sony speaking with Brazil's regulatory body when asked about Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard answered several questions including its thoughts on Xbox Game Pass, as spotted by ResetEra.

Sony says that over the past five years, Xbox Game Pass has grown to capture around 60 to 70 percent of the worldwidesubscription services market. Xbox Game Pass in Brazil represents 70 to 80 percent of the PC subscription services market.

The company believes it would take "several years" for a competitor to create a rival for Xbox Game Pass, even with substantial investments.
 

Topher

Gold Member

Lognor

Banned
You don't have a point you have a baseless opinion you try to sell as fact, which is ofc childish nonsense.
Therefore this also has never been a conversation, this has just been you pretending not to suffer from that new age feelings > facts brainrot all along and failing...
You've already admitted that you realize most people don't subscribe and cancel after a month. That's just you. I made my point. Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Weird.
 

Skelterz

Member
We believe cash is king and would like to extract a serious shit load out of you then make the game free a year or so later.

#ThugLife
 
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