CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Exactly what I was thinking, it was good while it lasted. This sucks, but one great thing about it, at least it makes all the Sony fanboys super happy.
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Microsoft Raising Prices on New, First-Party Games Built for Xbox Series X|S to $70 in 2023
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
one thing to add is that Microsoft have an alternative to the price rise (until Gamepass goes up to) where as with Sony you have to wait for a sale or a year or so later to hit PS+
prices going up is always shitty no matter what console it is
MasterCornholio
Member
Actually subscription services still had an impact on game sales. It's pretty logical that people don't buy as many games if those games are on a subscription service that they are using.
No idea why your trying to spew that kind of crap here.
anthony2690
Banned
This is incredibly disappointing, I really hope this doesn't translate to them trying to charge £70 for first party retail releases in the UK like sony (what still makes no sense to me, as £70 is $94 USD)
Whilst I'm a game pass subscriber, I tend to buy the games I love for my shelf. (I may have to wait for them to drop in price a little before investing going forwards, as I can still enjoy them day one on game pass)
Whilst I'm a game pass subscriber, I tend to buy the games I love for my shelf. (I may have to wait for them to drop in price a little before investing going forwards, as I can still enjoy them day one on game pass)
Snowdonhoffen
Member
Gamerguy84
Member
I've been watching the spending spree for 5 years. This is the first sign I've seen they're thinking about recouping some.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
They still made the change to begin with. This is unacceptable especially since they weren't doing this shit for flight simulator
SLB1904
Banned
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Jormatar
Member
I bet back then you were shitting on Sony for raising the price while handing out internet points for Microsoft for not raising the price.
It shouldn't matter at all if Sony was the first one to do it. People act all the time that Microsoft is different company than the rest but that's just bullshit. Once the Activision deal goes through and Xbox finally has something many people care for, more anticonsumer decisions will follow. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it
phil_t98
#SonyToo
you only have to go into any thread about Gamepass and there is always people (not saying you) saying that Microsoft games don't sell well any more, I remember a thread where I mentioned halo was in the top 10 the week of sales and people shot it down left right and centre saying Microsoft games don't sell and people only play on Gamepass now
Thirty7ven
Banned
It’s so funny.
Bartski
Gold Member
Jim Ryan, no.1 cause of global warmingThanks a lot J.R.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Where are all the xbox gamers who chided Sony for $70 games at?
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Zathalus
Member
You would be wrong. I didn't like the price increase (who does?) but I understood why it happened.
Not everybody is a console warrior.
Rusty Shackelford
Member
SEGAvangelist
Member
Shocking.
MasterCornholio
Member
Well there's definitely a tradeoff when you put games on gamepass. However that doesn't mean the games don't sell they just sell less than before due to being available on a subscription service.
On the flip side if Ragnarok was available day one on PS+ extra I'm sure sales would have taken a hit. Game still would have sold though.
GHG
Member
It's so obvious that that is what's coming, you only have to look at the state of GWG to see that.
The previous gold price increase was geared around pushing people towards gamepass ultimate but it fell flat on it's face.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Well, it is different. Sony has had a much higher first party/AAA output than Microsoft from the time the new consoles were launched. Maintaining lower prices from prior generation doesn't mean as much when you're having difficulty shipping games. They are basically playing catch up with 2023 being a turning point; the big titles are ready so the timing of this makes sense. I expect GP subscription hike in 2023 as well.
Anyways, I'm happy about this. You can't get something (quality) for nothing. If nothing else, this pricing adjustment at least gives me some hope that Microsoft will compete from a quality perspective. I've been on record with my concern of how GP centric model could negatively impact game quality by way of restrictive development budget. This is a positive step forward in reducing this concern of mine.
Little Chicken
Member
Not only that, but their games release on Game Pass and are on there indefinitely.
Stuart360
Member
When does Gamepass NOT become a good deal though?, $20?, hell $30?.
When you think how many first party games are going to be released second half of this gen, combined with the odd third party AAA games, and tons of AA and Indies, well it puts it into perspective when comparing against a single $70 game.
I mean to me its obvious they are doing this to drive up Gamepass subs, and it will probably work when you look at how many 'concerned' people are upset over this in here.
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GhostOfTsu
Banned
I was wondering what games you were talking about and you keep counting Deathloop and Ghostwire as a "Microsoft" next-gen game in your other post. LMAO both of them were already pretty much done and MS was not involved in any decision. Flight Sim was a port of a $60 game on PC. I can't take anything you say seriously.
feynoob
Banned
It's always was and will be in the future.
If you have the money, gamepass isn't for you. If you don't have enough money, gamepass has more value to you.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I think its still a bargain at $70 with the scope of these games
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Ghostwrite hasn't even released, man. Deathloop, again, released 1 year later. Not a brand new release.
And why would they charge extra for Series versions? Sony charges an additional $10 for PS5-exclusive features (Tempest audio, haptic feedback, adaptive triggers, etc.). Xbox Series consoles have none of those features. What would they charge the extra $10 for? 60 FPS?
PS also didn't charge any $ for 60 FPS updates. TLOU 2, God of War, Days Gone, Horizon Zero Dawn, Ghost of Tsushima, etc: all those games got the free 60 FPS update.
It's quite simple: Xbox didn't release any new next-gen game. And they have raised prices before those games are slated to launch. All the complaints against Sony don't make any sense now.
Most importantly, those $70 versions won't have any of the features that Sony offers for their PS5 versions because the console doesn't support those features. Xbox will just be charging $10 for higher res and FPS.
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SLB1904
Banned
I have many reasons to not like subscription services and money isn't one of them.
Spyxos
Gold Member
Not really. Look at Modern Warfare2 price same as Forspoken or Final Fantasy7. It is already on pc. It will get only bigger.PC players:
GHG
Member
It's actually sad that this is how some people think.
There's the race to the bottom conditioning.
They want people to be lifetime slaves to subscriptions so I guess it's working.
DragonNCM
Member
Ofc they are.....they still don't rip you off 10$ for upgrade from XBOX One to Series S/X game (waiting 2023)
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Sleepwalker
Member
It depends really on the customer, Ive had gamepass since it launched and will be expiring in december next year but I havent even downloaded a gamepass game since I toyed around with forza horizon 5 on release for a few hours and dropped it (wasn't into it).
So I can confidently say that unless the quality is off the charts in 2023 I will not be renewing the sub.
I also dont sub to any sony services, only plus as I play some online mp games but thats it. Lately I prefer to make my own curated game selection.
Im sure its great value for tons of people and will continue to do well, it was for me in the past.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Where are all the Xbots who chided Sony for $70 games at?
I remember all the shit being flung Sony's way in that thread
'arrogant Sony is back'
'Anti-consumer crap'
'For the payers' - This one was especially popular
'Jim is a hack'
And many more was the theme of that $70 PS thread.
I said it way back then and a few others too that $70 would soon be the industry standard. Or Maybe some just felt it a good opportunity, at that time, to troll PS threads? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Either way this is hilarious news to wake up to and the Xbox cheerleaders in that old thread have gone AWOL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Perhaps now people can see these companies are not your friend?
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Zathalus
Member
Was it or was it not up to Microsoft to dictate the price for those games on release? I make no claim to who had a hand in development of the games, but Microsoft obviously had final say on pricing. They could have charged $70 if they wanted to, they simply didn't.
Also, obviously you can't take anything I say seriously as you are a console warrior and need to stay in your bubble.
Iced Arcade
Member
This why Phil needs to shut his mouth from flapping so much.
Literally could have been seen as "Xbox held off charging gamers extra for 2.5 years" but he though it would be a good thing to idea to flap his lips.
Gamepass ftw
Literally could have been seen as "Xbox held off charging gamers extra for 2.5 years" but he though it would be a good thing to idea to flap his lips.
Gamepass ftw
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StealthGoblin
Banned
That rug pull will be epic. Spencer has already started laying the ground work.
drganon
Member
Good guy Phil has forsaken his flock.
But…thats anti-consumer
Hawking Radiation
Member
GHG
Member
The funniest thing about all of this is that Sony weren't even the first publisher to establish $70 as the pricing for next gen games but somehow (well not really somehow, I know exactly how) them being "first" was the narrative that stuck.
As the wise man once said:
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Only way it kind of makes sense for day one buyers at full price is if someone is gunning for a special collectors edition in limited quantities or if they are that desperate to level up fast in shooters or join online sports league. Then again, I've seen my share of those $150-200 collectors editions being dumped for $50 at Best Buy (old Halo and COD ones), so even these can be oversupplied too.
But for most games, it's not critical to play day one especially since games often need patches which can come later and many games go on deal fast.
I dont know if UBI still does this, but they used to dump Assassin's Creed games at Costco for about $25 in January back in the day. I remember seeing it two year in a row.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Aren't the cross gen Xbox games $60 regardless of the platform you play on? I thought games like God of War were MORE expensive to play on PS5.
Why do you think that improved audio and using the features of the controller warrant charging $10 more? Aren't gamers ALREADY paying for that when you PS5? You think charging for the inherent features of the system deserve a price increase? It's like charging for Quick Resume on Xbox.
Let's not for the Horizon update was under duress. And it was a kinda scummy how they still made it hard to get the savings.
Those 'free' updates also included the same audio and controller features you were talking about showing the price increase wasn't necessary.
MS Flight Simulator was next gen only and was $60.
This is no different than what Sony has done. Let's not act like they are being wildly different aside from MS waiting longer to charge more.
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Zathalus
Member
Ghostwire has released on the PS5 and still lacks a $70 price tag.
Do you seriously think controller features are why the games cost $10 more? Tempest Audio really doesn't count as Xbox has 3D audio as well. But feel free to believe programming some haptics is why the price increase happened and not the obvious reasons.