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[yazenov]

Imagine being beat by a $500 console with your $200 console which is more than 2.5x the price of your product, in your home turf where the demand of your product is the highest than any other country aside from the UK.

This looks bad for MS no matter how you slice it, especially in the current economical market "recession". Things are looking bleak for the Xbox outside of the US and UK.

 

[jroc74]

I went to a 4 pages debate with someone that couldn't understand that GOW Ragnarok hadn't been delayed to 2023(after its release date was confirmed)....Imagine how hard it can be for people like them to understand the sheer concept of a uphill battle.

Imagine still trying to defend MS having an uphill battle after the last 3 months.....

Ragnarok not getting delayed into 2023 doesnt have any effect on Series S promotions and Game Pass.

The PS5 was selling better before Ragnarok launched.

Games getting delayed or not, that does not change that MS still has an uphill battle. For whatever reasons. No big games for 2022, stock issues, if it creates an uphill battle....it creates an uphill battle.

You have MS execs addressing lack of showing games and games output. It is what it is. No need to feel some type of way about the phrase uphill battle.

Imagine being beat by a $500 console with your $200 console which is more than 2.5x the price of your product, in your home turf where the demand of your product is the highest than any other country aside from the UK.

This looks bad for MS no matter how you slice it, especially in the current economical market "recession". Things are looking bleak for the Xbox outside of the US and UK.

Example of something that can cause an...uphill battle....

 

[Imtjnotu]

GOW beat Pokemon in the largest gaming market.......and yall ran your mouths in the pokemon sales thread....

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

No one wants to buy a console to rent indie games on Game Pass. The value just isn't there for the vast majority.

Everybody could've seen this coming.

The Series S and GamePass dream was never going to work out the way some people believed.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Everybody could've seen this coming.

The Series S and GamePass dream was never going to work out the way some people believed.

i thinks its an amazing deal but for your real gamer (which makes up most of the market) no one wants a weak console.

dont bring switch into this because its mostly a portable. i dont care how anyone slices it. you buy a console to sit down and play.


most of us on this forum want power for consoles and PC.

 

[reinking]

And there goes the tiny chance the FTC might have had to win their lawsuit.

It also demonstrates how Microsoft is buying their way to the #1 spot and could suppress competition.

 

[Benniewise de Clown]

i thinks its an amazing deal but for your real gamer (which makes up most of the market) no one wants a weak console.

dont bring switch into this because its mostly a portable. i dont care how anyone slices it. you buy a console to sit down and play.


most of us on this forum want power for consoles and PC.

True, but the average kids wants their games to look as good as their best friends games as well.

Nintendo is in it's own league and doing what they do best.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Series S was a desperate ploy to close the gap all the while sacrificing gaming as a whole by mandating multiplatform developers still cater to that weak ass machine in modern times.

At a time when the vast majority of TV sales are 4K, that was two years ago. In 2025 devs will still have to target this bust ass spec. People don’t get it, imagine this year and last devs still aiming for a system half as powerful as a Xbox One. It’s looney. As always MS tries to change the market dynamic not because they are innovating but because they are trying to draw rules in which they can dominate.

 

[TheGodfather07]

PS5 demand is so strong, it even kept up with a £189 series s last month in the UK. That's crazy when you look at the price difference. PS5 is almost £300 more.

 

[Mozza]

A new model will be necessity / bonus for Nintendo, because they want to keep improving their third party support. They've made a huge amount of progress in the last 5 years, but if they want to keep progressing and not risk slipping backwards then they need something capable of getting current gen ports in the not too distant future.

Not so sure looking at the software sales that third party support is all that important to Nintendo, as it's the first party games that do the big numbers. And always remember, just because we personally want something, does not mean it's needed.

 

[Mozza]

Playstation was second for the year? If true that's pretty impressive given how much cheaper the rivals are.

But the Switch, still doing decent numbers six years in, and with no real price cut or upgrade in power etc.

 

[Woopah]

Not so sure looking at the software sales that third party support is all that important to Nintendo, as it's the first party games that do the big numbers. And always remember, just because we personally want something, does not mean it's needed.

They definitely see first party as being more important, but they are a business and want to make as much money as possible.

The better third party support they get, the more money they make. That's why they've done a deal with Microsoft for Call of Duty for example.

 

[Mozza]

GOW beat Pokemon in the largest gaming market.......and yall ran your mouths in the pokemon sales thread....

Might of done, but overall it's nowhere near.......... the latest Pokemon games sold 10 million in just three days. Plus the game will pick up a lot of sales over the holiday period.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Might of done, but overall it's nowhere near.......... the latest Pokemon games sold 10 million in just three days. Plus the game will pick up a lot of sales over the holiday period.

spin it how ever you need to my guy.

 

[Mozza]

spin it how ever you need to my guy.

And God Of War was a pack in game, sorry forgot to mention that.

 

[Thirty7ven]

And God Of War was a pack in game, sorry forgot to mention that.

Doesn’t count for NPD.

 

[Unknown?]

Doesn’t count for NPD.

Mozza Boom Roasted!

 

[Imtjnotu]

And God Of War was a pack in game, sorry forgot to mention that.

spin it daddy

 

[nocsi]

What an amazing show. The cherry on top is that ninja kid that snuck up on stage and nominated Bill Clinton

 

[Ezekiel_]

What an amazing show. The cherry on top is that ninja kid that snuck up on stage and nominated Bill Clinton

Hahaha that video is gold

 

[Ezekiel_]

And there goes the tiny chance the FTC might have had to win their lawsuit.

Explain yourself so we can have a laugh

 

[akaFullmetal]

Availability really helped Sony's numbers. Surprising since xbss was discounted this holiday.

 

[Goalus]

Explain yourself so we can have a laugh

Stick to LOL reactions, that's what you're good at.

 

[Ezekiel_]

Stick to LOL reactions, that's what you're good at.

 

[Mozza]

Doesn’t count for NPD.

Never said it did, but getting all happy for an awesome game that was bundled with a console in massive demand is hardly surprising it did decent numbers, and considering the last title on the Ps4 sold 19.5 million copies and was the second best selling title on the system, it should surprise people even less, plus pokemon will be a bit of an evergreen title, and will pick up steam over the busy holiday period, would not be surprised for it to beat Sword and shield's numbers eventually.

 

[Mozza]

They definitely see first party as being more important, but they are a business and want to make as much money as possible.

The better third party support they get, the more money they make. That's why they've done a deal with Microsoft for Call of Duty for example.

I think that indie games have taken over for Nintendo in that respect, as there are so many of them on the e-shop, and they are great for revenue and help with those software droughts from time to time. Not sure it's only power that keeps those triple AAA games away, online has always been an issue, plus the competition from Nintendo's first party games is tough to go up against.

 

[Handel]

GOW beat Pokemon in the largest gaming market.......and yall ran your mouths in the pokemon sales thread....

NPD doesn't get digital sales numbers from Nintendo, show yourself the door.

 

[TLZ]

And God Of War was a pack in game, sorry forgot to mention that.

That sound like people bought the PS5 and got GOWR for free.

 

[Mozza]

That sound like people bought the PS5 and got GOWR for free.

Of course you are paying for the game within the package, but the bundle will always boost sales.

 

[TLZ]

Of course you are paying for the game within the package, but the bundle will always boost sales.

Of course. That's the point.

 

[mejin]

Xbox always wins BF as much as always is the number 3 in the overall year.

 

[Woopah]

I think that indie games have taken over for Nintendo in that respect, as there are so many of them on the e-shop, and they are great for revenue and help with those software droughts from time to time. Not sure it's only power that keeps those triple AAA games away, online has always been an issue, plus the competition from Nintendo's first party games is tough to go up against.

Indie does help, but again that's not the ideal scenario for Nintendo. They want the latest Call of Duty on their platform, just like they want Assassin's Creed, GTA, Elden Ring, Resident Evil etc. etc.

There's probably some smaller franchises that they miss out on and don't care that much. But those big, multi-million sellers that generate a lot of software sales while also making their platform more attractive? They want those and will take action to get them

In terms of what is keeping them away, yes power, online and pre-conceptions about Nintendo are definitely all major reasons. I never bought the "Nintendo's first party games are tough to go up against" excuse though. Ubisoft, EA and Activision games are tough to go up against, but I don't see other publishers using that as an excuse to skip PlayStation. Its short sighted in my mind.

 

[Ronin_7]

And God Of War was a pack in game, sorry forgot to mention that.

NPD doesn't count bundles.

You Lost an opportunity to not be embarrassed but here we are.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Of course you are paying for the game within the package, but the bundle will always boost sales.

I don't see how that's a negative. Bundling a console with a game that many want doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. I never liked the bundles that had games like Destruction Allstars in them.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Imagine being beat by a $500 console with your $200 console which is more than 2.5x the price of your product, in your home turf where the demand of your product is the highest than any other country aside from the UK.

This looks bad for MS no matter how you slice it, especially in the current economical market "recession". Things are looking bleak for the Xbox outside of the US and UK.

This is exactly why we need the numbers or the percentage cut.

If xbox managed to get within 5 to 10 percent of ps5 I think they've done an pretty damn good job to fend of what will probably be the launch of sonys biggest game of the generation. That's a good effort from xbox.

Obviously revenue will not come close with the price difference but if the units are pretty close its actually a great thing. Also do not forget that Sony is artificially boosting their console revenue with bundles.

Plus, this is the year that Microsoft has literally had NO games at all. And god of war is sonys biggest game of all time that is their original ip. Hype has been astronomical. So without more context we shouldn't be making the kinds of claims you are imo.

 

[yazenov]

My point is that MS couldn't outsell the competition's console which is more than double its price with the recent 33% price cut in its strongest market. It couldn't even outsell the old Switch which didn't even have any price cut. That is a bad look for MS, regardless if they were "close" to the 1st or 2nd place consoles. You even admitted that if it was based on revenue, it won't be even close. MS had to deeply discount its product to compete with their competitors.

The arguments was that the Xbox series S is the perfect Gamepass machine and people buy consoles for 3rd party games mostly, and exclusives were an afterthought, as many of your people have claimed. The narrative now is changing every day and exclusives are important again.

Lets just admit it that the Xbox series S is a disappointment and its not pulling its weight. It served MS well during the shortages when the PS5 was rarely available due to stock issues. But now, its just a cheap console with little value and demand, based on these NPD reports.

 

[DenchDeckard]

My point is that MS couldn't outsell the competition's console which is more than double its price with the recent 33% price cut in its strongest market. It couldn't even outsell the old Switch which didn't even have any price cut. That is a bad look for MS, regardless if they were "close" to the 1st or 2nd place consoles. You even admitted that if it was based on revenue, it won't be even close. MS had to deeply discount its product to compete with their competitors.

The arguments was that the Xbox series S is the perfect Gamepass machine and people buy consoles for 3rd party games mostly, and exclusives were an afterthought, as many of your people have claimed. The narrative now is changing every day and exclusives are important again.

Lets just admit it that the Xbox series S is a disappointment and its not pulling its weight. It served MS well during the shortages when the PS5 was rarely available due to stock issues. But now, its just a cheap console with little value and demand, based on these NPD reports.

Yeah, all I'm saying is that without further details. It's a strong month vs last year for all companies according to npd so let me just make a hyperthetical tales out if my ass shout.

If the sales are 1 million ps5, 950k Switch, 900k Xbox I would say that's a good showing for all and no where near the Doom and gloom that's being painted.

Revenue will be hugely leaning towards playstation due to its cost and also the cost of the bundle is added to the console revenue. So an xbox at 500 or 250 dollars vs a 600 dollar ps5 is a big advantage to Sony.

I'm just glad they are all doing well, and Microsoft deserves to win a November when they have everything sorted imo. Games, console, content, deals etc.

 

[sandbood]

Doesn’t count for NPD.

It was counted in Sony GOW sales PR and yet only 5 million units in 5 days vs Pokémon SV 10 million units in 3 days.

NPD battle.
GOW ragnarok had 9 more days of sales tracking than Pokémon SV.

Digital didn't account for Pokémon SV on NPD sales data which account around 30-40% of total sales for Pokémon SV (Around 1.5 million units digitally sold in Japan for 3 days).

 

[Dafegamer]

GOW outselling Pokemon in the US is mind-blowing actually

 

[Dafegamer]

GOW had 9 more days

Doesn't matter in the end, it's fuckin Pokemon. Imagine another game being available two weeks more, Pokemon would still outsell it Day One only

 

[Dafegamer]

And GOW was bundled. Curious to see how Pokemon tracks over the coming months after the blowback about the performance issues.


Nah I don't think so. They had stock in my hood, and online.

NPD doesn't count bundle sales, according to mat piscatelli

 

[sandbood]

NPD doesn't count bundle sales, according to mat piscatelli

Pokémon had no digital sales accounted. In Japan Pokémon SV sold 1.5 million units digitally for 3 days.

Large chunks of revenue sales data was missing for Pokémon that affected its placement on the chart.

 

[Dafegamer]

And God Of War was a pack in game, sorry forgot to mention that.

 

[sandbood]

Doesn't matter in the end, it's fuckin Pokemon. Imagine another game being available two weeks more, Pokemon would still outsell it Day One only

Smash ultimate physical sales alone is still the record holder for the best selling 1st party game in launch month in both units
and revenue.

 

[MScarpa]

For what it's worth, the PS5 stock where I'm at is increased 10 fold from 3 months ago. So much so, that they have been sitting on 8 PS5s for 5 days now. Sony really boosted their supply for the holidays. I think supply constraints will be over after the first of the year (NA)

 

[Dafegamer]

Pokémon had no digital sales accounted. In Japan Pokémon SV sold 1.5 million units digitally for 3 days.

Large chunks of revenue sales data was missing for Pokémon that affected its placement on the chart.

How big is the digital presence on Nintendo consoles? I doubt it's bigger than it is on Playstation and Xbox. Also where do you get those numbers for Japan, that it sold digital units for 3 Days?

 

[sandbood]

How big is the digital presence on Nintendo consoles? I doubt it's bigger than it is on Playstation and Xbox. Also where do you get those numbers for Japan, that it sold digital units for 3 Days?

Yes, it's not bigger than Sony and Microsoft but it's still big especially Nintendo Switch has over 100 million hardware on the market.

For 1st half of 2022 according to Nintendo financial report digital sales is around 51% of total dedicated video games software.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2022/221108_8e.pdf

For Japan sales data
Pokémon SV sales pr directly from Nintendo
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2022/221124.html
sell through data
4.05 million units for domestic sales( Physical+Digital in Japan) in 3 days.

Famitsu (Physical sales data)
Pokemon SV = 2.5M physical copies sold in 3 days.
https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/media-create-sales-week-46-2022-nov-14-nov-20.1229/

It's hard to get a complete pictures of Nintendo 1st party sales data from NPD chart because of the missing digital data.

 

[Dafegamer]

Yes, it's not bigger than Sony and Microsoft but it's still big especially Nintendo Switch has over 100 million hardware on the market.

For 1st half of 2022 according to Nintendo financial report digital sales is around 51% of total dedicated video games software.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2022/221108_8e.pdf

For Japan sales data
Pokémon SV sales pr directly from Nintendo
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2022/221124.html
sell through data
4.05 million units for domestic sales( Physical+Digital in Japan) in 3 days.

Famitsu (Physical sales data)
Pokemon SV = 2.5M physical copies sold in 3 days.
https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/media-create-sales-week-46-2022-nov-14-nov-20.1229/

It's hard to get a complete pictures of Nintendo 1st party sales data from NPD chart because of the missing digital data.

Oh, ok I see now. Still I don't think there's clear assumption that Pokemon would've outsold GOW this NPD month, even if we include digital. According to the yearly numbers GOW debuted at #5, while Pokemon S/V debuted at #8, which makes it still impressive in GOW case. There's no clear cut information regarding that assumption.

 

[Ronin_7]

For what it's worth, the PS5 stock where I'm at is increased 10 fold from 3 months ago. So much so, that they have been sitting on 8 PS5s for 5 days now. Sony really boosted their supply for the holidays. I think supply constraints will be over after the first of the year (NA)

Sony is supplying NA really hard since it's the most competitive market + market where holiday sales are always Higher.

Here in EU it's still Hard to buy except in the UK but Last Time I checked they Left us.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Digital didn't account for Pokémon SV on NPD sales data which account around 30-40% of total sales for Pokémon SV (Around 1.5 million units digitally sold in Japan for 3 days).

I’m on record for saying Pokémon is the biggest videogame franchise in the world.