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[DarkMage619]

Question: So since Xbox doesn’t really care about console sales and are more interested in selling software and making customers regardless of platforms, why don’t they release their first-party games on PlayStation?

In addition to not releasing first-party games on PlayStation, MS also keeps buying other multiplatform companies and make their games exclusives, limiting their software reach.

Why?

This goes directly against what you’re saying.

Who says they don't care about consoles? You realize they made TWO of them this generation right? They care about console it's just not a singular focus like it is for Sony and Nintendo.

In addition MS has a Windows graphics API called DirectX and entire develop environment dedicated to making PC and console games. All of that goes to waste making games for Switch and PlayStation.

MS also has a little subscription service called Game pass. You know Game pass is on Xbox but isn't on PlayStation or Switch so they'd be losing a major vector for their subscription service as well.

As I told Frank earlier MS is trying to grow their ecosystem and developers willing to sell put their games into that ecosystem. Most of the biggest IP like CoD or Minecraft remain on other consoles and continue to receive support. This is also true for online titles like FO76 and ESO.

Other titles are used to enhance the Xbox ecosystem and you can play those titles on PC, Cloud and console. This is no different than Sony making their games exclusive so we should stop acting like MS is the only platform with exclusives. If a gamer refuses to play those games there that is their loss. MS offers more ways to play their games than any other platform holder.

When have they taken publishers away though? And usually their exclusives are timed, not permanent.

This publisher argument is arbitrary. There is no law saying a gaming platform can't buy a developer or a publisher. Sony has plenty of permanent third party exclusives along with timed ones. Xbox gamers should not complain because it's business just like when MS buys an exclusive.

They owned those ips and kept them to themselves to grow their own streaming service. Comparison? Nobody cares about xbox keeping halo and forza

You might not realize this but MS is under no obligation to run their business like Sony and vice versa. MS owns any IP they paid for just like Sony.

They don't make those games, they bought them to keep them away. Not exclusive to xbox just not on Nintendo and PlayStation. The 2 most popular console options in video game history.

You are mistaken. MS makes plenty of games and had plenty of studios. They also buy exclusives. At least they don't force customers to buy their hardware. That is not true for Sony and Nintendo. Again I like options.

You mean xbox is not like Sega. And that's because they are backed by Microsoft. They have not, can not and will not be able to compete without that backing or withoutt their new "strategy"
Now that they own Bethesda, their customers are Bethesda customers. Giving them less options is not support.

MS is not like Sega. Xbox is a brand of MS. Sega and MS are both companies. Who cares if they have more money than Sega. All I care about as a gamer is that my investment is supported. Right now they are doing so and allowing me to play my older games too with better performance. My money is respected and I like that.

Buying publishers isn't competition. Xbox or Nintendo could have secured deals for those games. They were out- maneuvered. Sony and Nintendo or xbox can't buy publishers. Microsoft can. Apple can. See?

Again more arbitrary restrictions. It is competing for the same money and time as every other company. MS does not have to conduct business like Sony. MS has been out maneuvered and still acquired Bethesda and close to getting Activision. As a customer I have no real complaints and have more games secured. I guess people might say means things on a message board I suppose.

Bethesda was never going to keep their game off of an inevitable 100million selling console. Until phil played take away.

Oh well. Xbox gamers were going to play Street Fighter 5. Those are the breaks. Xbox gamers will have to cope and so will anyone unwilling to use the Xbox ecosystem for Xbox games. Phil is under no obligation to support non customers.

Pointing things out isn't complaining. When people had a choice they chose over and over, generation after generation, decade after decade. You know that.

Good for them. I've made a choice too. I choose to not beholden to a single company and play games on all consoles. I guess I'd better manage my time to enjoy the numerous titles I'll be able to play.

No you just change it depending on what point you're trying to prove. You've been championing the series s since launch as one of your beloved "choices" you're so glad to have. See the numbers? You were wrong.

I was not. Without the XSS MS would have sold even FEWER consoles. It still offers gamers an affordable way to enter the Xbox ecosystem and as more games become available more systems will sell. It was never about outselling PlayStation. Xbox never has.

Not at all. Again, their opportunity is solely based on the ability of Microsoft being one of a handful of companies with the funds within the scope of the industry to buy publishers of this size. None of this is Phil and xbox division

Oh it was. As a customer I get more games. MS as a business relies even less on consoles they've never been able to sell in greater numbers than Nintendo and Sony. Looks like a win win as long as you aren't opposed Xbox on principle.

This is coping. If they were able to keep COD exclusive you would rent out your nearest arena and have a party.

Sure I'm coping. Coping with all the games MS has been providing their customers with. I don't care about CoD being exclusive but I'm happy that Activision employees will be free of Bobby Kotick and hopefully those studios will make some different games. CoD being multi-platform means more money to be invested in the Xbox ecosystem.

 

[Poltz]

What a post.

 

[zedinen]

Wrong Q4...
Sony is always one quarter behind (for them the business year ends with the end of march), which means for Sony Q3 is what you mean with Q4. So the record is 7.39 mio

Sony FY (Apr - Mar)
Q4 (Jan - Mar) 6.08 million

Those are production shipments not shipped to retailers (sold-in). Sony didn't start reporting sold-in numbers until the fiscal year starting 1st April 2006.

I know

According to Sony, production shipments= sales (1994 - 2007). Example:

Dec 1995: PS1 sales (production shipments) 3.4 million

Sony expects PS5 to break PS2 sales record (production shipments Q4 6.08 m / FY 22.52 m)

Sony compares PS5 sell-in to PS2 production shipments.

In practice the difference between sell-in and production shipments is negligible.

 

[Unknown?]

Who says they don't care about consoles? You realize they made TWO of them this generation right? They care about console it's just not a singular focus like it is for Sony and Nintendo.

In addition MS has a Windows graphics API called DirectX and entire develop environment dedicated to making PC and console games. All of that goes to waste making games for Switch and PlayStation.

MS also has a little subscription service called Game pass. You know Game pass is on Xbox but isn't on PlayStation or Switch so they'd be losing a major vector for their subscription service as well.

As I told Frank earlier MS is trying to grow their ecosystem and developers willing to sell put their games into that ecosystem. Most of the biggest IP like CoD or Minecraft remain on other consoles and continue to receive support. This is also true for online titles like FO76 and ESO.

Other titles are used to enhance the Xbox ecosystem and you can play those titles on PC, Cloud and console. This is no different than Sony making their games exclusive so we should stop acting like MS is the only platform with exclusives. If a gamer refuses to play those games there that is their loss. MS offers more ways to play their games than any other platform holder.


This publisher argument is arbitrary. There is no law saying a gaming platform can't buy a developer or a publisher. Sony has plenty of permanent third party exclusives along with timed ones. Xbox gamers should not complain because it's business just like when MS buys an exclusive.


You might not realize this but MS is under no obligation to run their business like Sony and vice versa. MS owns any IP they paid for just like Sony.

You are mistaken. MS makes plenty of games and had plenty of studios. They also buy exclusives. At least they don't force customers to buy their hardware. That is not true for Sony and Nintendo. Again I like options.

MS is not like Sega. Xbox is a brand of MS. Sega and MS are both companies. Who cares if they have more money than Sega. All I care about as a gamer is that my investment is supported. Right now they are doing so and allowing me to play my older games too with better performance. My money is respected and I like that.

Again more arbitrary restrictions. It is competing for the same money and time as every other company. MS does not have to conduct business like Sony. MS has been out maneuvered and still acquired Bethesda and close to getting Activision. As a customer I have no real complaints and have more games secured. I guess people might say means things on a message board I suppose.

Oh well. Xbox gamers were going to play Street Fighter 5. Those are the breaks. Xbox gamers will have to cope and so will anyone unwilling to use the Xbox ecosystem for Xbox games. Phil is under no obligation to support non customers.

Good for them. I've made a choice too. I choose to not beholden to a single company and play games on all consoles. I guess I'd better manage my time to enjoy the numerous titles I'll be able to play.

I was not. Without the XSS MS would have sold even FEWER consoles. It still offers gamers an affordable way to enter the Xbox ecosystem and as more games become available more systems will sell. It was never about outselling PlayStation. Xbox never has.

Oh it was. As a customer I get more games. MS as a business relies even less on consoles they've never been able to sell in greater numbers than Nintendo and Sony. Looks like a win win as long as you aren't opposed Xbox on principle.

Sure I'm coping. Coping with all the games MS has been providing their customers with. I don't care about CoD being exclusive but I'm happy that Activision employees will be free of Bobby Kotick and hopefully those studios will make some different games. CoD being multi-platform means more money to be invested in the Xbox ecosystem.

I wasn't saying anything about the legality of buying a publisher, just pointing out that it doesn't compare to buying a single exclusive here and there that's majority only timed.

Also Microsoft does not give you options. You say you have to buy Sony/Nintendo hardware but where is the evidence of Microsoft making games for something they don't own? Where are Mac games from Microsoft? That's right, they force you to use their proprietary Operating System.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Who says they don't care about consoles?

 

[elcapitano]

Spain 10th to 16th of April

 

[kikkis]

I dont really understand why people don't buy xboxs even nearly as much as ps5s. So far ps hasn't done anything drastically better in terms of current gen only titles. I mean sony has their 3rd person story driven games but I think they are quite overrated.

 

[Thirty7ven]

I dont really understand why people don't buy xboxs even nearly as much as ps5s. So far ps hasn't done anything drastically better in terms of current gen only titles. I mean sony has their 3rd person story driven games but I think they are quite overrated.

It’s perfectly acceptable to have different tastes and preferences. Some girls like micro dicks, some dudes like saggy tits. An extreme comparison of course, the point being that if you are looking at the world through a key hole of your choosing, don’t act surprised when there’s a whole world out there that doesn’t feel how you feel.

 

[DarkMage619]

I wasn't saying anything about the legality of buying a publisher, just pointing out that it doesn't compare to buying a single exclusive here and there that's majority only timed.

Also Microsoft does not give you options. You say you have to buy Sony/Nintendo hardware but where is the evidence of Microsoft making games for something they don't own? Where are Mac games from Microsoft? That's right, they force you to use their proprietary Operating System.

I'm sorry but which console maker offers their customers MORE options to play their games than MS does? Figure if you are going to criticize MS for a lack of options you could name a platform offering more. For the record they don't own Steam yet you can buy their games on that platform.

MS is the reason Apple is still around in the first place so they really don't owe them anything. Doesn't Apple also force people to buy their hardware? That's a strange place to complain about MS not putting their games since it's so limiting. Plus Apple Arcade is very profitable and there is no indication there is a large traditional gaming audience on Mac. There is a reason people prefer to play on PC over Mac.

I dont really understand why people don't buy xboxs even nearly as much as ps5s. So far ps hasn't done anything drastically better in terms of current gen only titles. I mean sony has their 3rd person story driven games but I think they are quite overrated.

PlayStation is the bigger brand and always has been. They are also quite aggressive in securing third party content and they market their games and systems quite heavily. Also MS clearly has determined that it is better to spread out their offerings over sticking to a console primary focus. MS doesn't need to sell as many Xbox as PlayStation to be successful.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I dont really understand why people don't buy xboxs even nearly as much as ps5s. So far ps hasn't done anything drastically better in terms of current gen only titles. I mean sony has their 3rd person story driven games but I think they are quite overrated.

They make good games that people buy.

 

[Poltz]

I dont really understand why people don't buy xboxs even nearly as much as ps5s. So far ps hasn't done anything drastically better in terms of current gen only titles. I mean sony has their 3rd person story driven games but I think they are quite overrated.

RE4 remake, Dead Space Remake, Hogwarts Legacy. They are games that resonate with people.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Sony FY (Apr - Mar)
Q4 (Jan - Mar) 6.08 million


I know

According to Sony, production shipments= sales (1994 - 2007). Example:

Dec 1995: PS1 sales (production shipments) 3.4 million

Sony expects PS5 to break PS2 sales record (production shipments Q4 6.08 m / FY 22.52 m)

Sony compares PS5 sell-in to PS2 production shipments.

In practice the difference between sell-in and production shipments is negligible.

Yeah they changed in 2007 but they back dated sold in numbers to the previous year. Over the course of a full year production is going to be similar to sold in but for individual quarters there will be a big disparity because some months are used for stock piling inventory for a big upcoming release or a new SKU months in advance and of course for the big holiday sales push. Also there will be instances when they didn't meet sales expectations in one quarter so for the next quarter they produced less because they had plenty of unsold inventory, so even though they could have sold more they actually produced far less than the previous quarter. From sold-in sales history we know that Q1, Q2 & Q4 sell similar numbers with a big spike for holiday Q3 but the production shipments are all over the place and don't line up with this trend at all.

We have a recent example when Sony said they produced 6.5 million PS5's in Q2 (July to September 2022) but for the quarter they only shipped 3.3 million, this is because they held back a decent amount of stock for the holidays and the big GOW:Ragnarok launch in Q3.

 

[Sanepar]

I dont really understand why people don't buy xboxs even nearly as much as ps5s. So far ps hasn't done anything drastically better in terms of current gen only titles. I mean sony has their 3rd person story driven games but I think they are quite overrated.

Cool u think that. U and vast majority of 30-40 million xbox ecosystem think that. But majority of gamers audience don't think that because they prefer pure sp experiences ps and nintendo delivery all the time.

 

[JackSparr0w]

You also don't need to pay $500 for a Steam account; in fact you can make one for free.

Look into the actual numbers of people buying games on Steam at comparable levels (Day 1 purchases, attach rates of purchased individual games (not games part of Humble Bundles or given to them for free), and you'll see that subset lags significantly compared to PlayStation and Nintendo.

Incorrect. Steam best sellers dwarf whatever Sony and Nintendo push out even if they give them for free with playstation plus. In fact some steam best sellers have more players than the total amount of PlayStations produced.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Also could you provide a link to the site that this data is from and do they have Playstation one production numbers as well? I have only found yearly PSOne production numbers but not quarterly. Thanks.

 

[FrankWza]

What a post.

Got to give DM credit, he went to his bag of tricks a few times and he kept Psygnosis out of his posts. Maybe he truly is a magician?

 

[Woopah]

Nothing from MS charts anymore... you want to know why? Game Pass. They spend 5+ years conditioning their customers to not buy games, just sub with those crazy, cheap stacking deals as well as free subs with easy to do rewards points.

Now you know why NPD/Circana is no longer giving platform splits for software starting a month or two ago after MS admitted GP cannibalizes software sales to the regulators. And, we are getting tweets saying software splits in both markets are in the PS2/OG Xbox era. Which is even more crazy considering how much closer these boxes are to each other volume wise compared to back then.

I remember asking about this in the January or February NPD thread, because I saw on Piscatella’s Twitter that they were getting rid of platform-specific charts.

NPD has been moving more and more numbers behind its payeall for years now. There is 0 evidence that it has anything to do with Microsoft.

For example, NPD stopped sharing hardware data in 2010 when PlayStation systems were being regularly outsold by Nintendo and Microsoft. That doesn't mean Sony influenced NPD's decision.

I dont really understand why people don't buy xboxs even nearly as much as ps5s. So far ps hasn't done anything drastically better in terms of current gen only titles. I mean sony has their 3rd person story driven games but I think they are quite overrated.

PlayStation has a stronger brand, more appealing exclusive content and marketing deals with big third party games.

It's that simple.

 

[Unknown?]

NPD has been moving more and more numbers behind its payeall for years now. There is 0 evidence that it has anything to do with Microsoft.

For example, NPD stopped sharing hardware data in 2010 when PlayStation systems were being regularly outsold by Nintendo and Microsoft. That doesn't mean Sony influenced NPD's decision.

PlayStation has a stronger brand, more appealing exclusive content and marketing deals with big third party games.

It's that simple.

Yup and I hate how they measure things in dollars. With inflation it literally means very little.

 

[Woopah]

Yup and I hate how they measure things in dollars. With inflation it literally means very little.

Getting unit sales for hardware and top 20 software would be great!

 

[elcapitano]

NPD has been moving more and more numbers behind its payeall for years now. There is 0 evidence that it has anything to do with Microsoft.

For example, NPD stopped sharing hardware data in 2010 when PlayStation systems were being regularly outsold by Nintendo and Microsoft. That doesn't mean Sony influenced NPD's decision.

PlayStation has a stronger brand, more appealing exclusive content and marketing deals with big third party games.

It's that simple.

Wait so if we paid we could get Unit Sales? How does no one leak it?

 

[Woopah]

Wait so if we paid we could get Unit Sales? How does no one leak it?

NPD shares a huge amount of data. They definitely share hardware units and software revenue with subscribers, and probably software units too.

Hardware does sometimes leak, but in general NPD data is not allowed to be spread publicly.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Incorrect. Steam best sellers dwarf whatever Sony and Nintendo push out even if they give them for free with playstation plus. In fact some steam best sellers have more players than the total amount of PlayStations produced.

Source: my ass

Wait so if we paid we could get Unit Sales? How does no one leak it?

We actually did get a (very generous) leak recently for last year's hardware up to November. However, I think word started getting around about who may have leaked it, which jeopardized the leaker's identity and would have caused complications with their line of work. So they likely won't leak anything again, unfortunately.

All I'll say is that leak showed how big the gap was already starting to grow for PS5 over Xbox from June, and it looks like the gap (in terms of percentages over Xbox month-to-month) have grown even more since the November (and assumedly, December) amounts which were 2:1 in favor of PS5.

 

[zedinen]

Yeah they changed in 2007 but they back dated sold in numbers to the previous year. Over the course of a full year production is going to be similar to sold in but for individual quarters there will be a big disparity because some months are used for stock piling inventory for a big upcoming release or a new SKU months in advance and of course for the big holiday sales push. Also there will be instances when they didn't meet sales expectations in one quarter so for the next quarter they produced less because they had plenty of unsold inventory, so even though they could have sold more they actually produced far less than the previous quarter. From sold-in sales history we know that Q1, Q2 & Q4 sell similar numbers with a big spike for holiday Q3 but the production shipments are all over the place and don't line up with this trend at all.

We have a recent example when Sony said they produced 6.5 million PS5's in Q2 (July to September 2022) but for the quarter they only shipped 3.3 million, this is because they held back a decent amount of stock for the holidays and the big GOW:Ragnarok launch in Q3.

The method of reporting unit sales has negligible impact on Q1, Q4, FY and LTD. Example:

FY2002 PS2
Production shipments 22.52 m
Sell-in 22.0 m



However, production shipments inflate Q2 while sell-in inflates Q3

Record Q2
PS2 8.78
PS2 8.30
PS1 6.81

Record Q3
PS4 9.7
PS4 9.0
PS4 8.4

Also could you provide a link to the site that this data is from and do they have Playstation one production numbers as well? I have only found yearly PSOne production numbers but not quarterly. Thanks.

Sony Investor Relations

Sony FY02

and Sony Computer Entertainment (no longer available)

 

[leo-j]

155m seems impossible tbh. They had alot of factors like being a cheap DVD player and the price drop to $99 helping them back then.

Nah, gaming is much bigger now than it was during the ps2 era….. if they didn’t kill ps4 stock they could have sold more of that platform as well, but why if the ps5 is BC with ps4 fully, might as well just sell the ps5 as your main option for ps4 games.

 

[fart town usa]

Nice. Lets get those next gen exclusives (no cross gen) and PSVR2 bangers.

 

[Woopah]

Nah, gaming is much bigger now than it was during the ps2 era….. if they didn’t kill ps4 stock they could have sold more of that platform as well, but why if the ps5 is BC with ps4 fully, might as well just sell the ps5 as your main option for ps4 games.

Given the downward trend PS4 was on it would not have hit PS2 levels without a significant price cut. The legs that the PS2 had wear very very unusual and unlikely to be seen again anytime soon.

 

[Banjo64]

It does surprise me. IMO the PS4 was the much stronger console after 2.5 years, for Bloodborne and Uncharted 4 alone. The PS5 is nice but software wise it’s still been a bit of a disappointment for me. ND need to release something ASAP, they still are PlayStation in my mind. Even with cuckboy in charge.

 

[JackSparr0w]

Source: my ass

Waiting on your source first since I was replying to a comment that originally made the claim about Playstation having bigger best sellers with zero evidence.

 

[Poltz]

Wait so if we paid we could get Unit Sales? How does no one leak it?

Leaking the numbers is a big no no basically. Being found to do that puts your job on the line.

 

[Woopah]

Incorrect. Steam best sellers dwarf whatever Sony and Nintendo push out even if they give them for free with playstation plus. In fact some steam best sellers have more players than the total amount of PlayStations produced.

Source: my ass

It will vary a lot by market. PC probably gets more sales than consoles in some of the Asia countries, but in France in 2022 for example the best selling games per platform were:

PS4: FIFA 23 - 736,265
Switch: Pokémon Scarlet/Violet - (physical only) - 716,537
PC: Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 - 217,288

 

[Felessan]

Incorrect. Steam best sellers dwarf whatever Sony and Nintendo push out even if they give them for free with playstation plus. In fact some steam best sellers have more players than the total amount of PlayStations produced.

All analytics I saw put non-F2P PC market to 1/8-1/6 of console market.
You probably looking at 1$ sales, those can surely bring some numbers of copies sold.

 

[MrA]

PlayStation has a stronger brand, more appealing exclusive content and marketing deals with big third party games.

Plus a snowball effect, I mentioned this a few times when sony was sending nothing to markets they have locked in, for competitive markets getting the early cod, gta, sports early adaptors is crucial as they influence the casual cod gta, Sports only players that buy to play where their friends do

 

[yazenov]

Incorrect. Steam best sellers dwarf whatever Sony and Nintendo push out even if they give them for free with playstation plus. In fact some steam best sellers have more players than the total amount of PlayStations produced.

PS4 accounts for 46.8% of Fortnite revenue. That’s compared to just 27.5% on Xbox, only 7% on iOS devices (prior to the game’s Apple Store delisting). The remaining 18% of the pie was shared by between PC, Android, and the Nintendo Switch

from Epic Vs Apple Trial leak

Fortnite’s cash cow is PlayStation, not iOS, court documents reveal

Console players bring in a lot of money for Fortnite.

www.theverge.com

 

[JackSparr0w]

It will vary a lot by market. PC probably gets more sales than consoles in some of the Asia countries, but in France in 2022 for example the best selling games per platform were:

PS4: FIFA 23 - 736,265
Switch: Pokémon Scarlet/Violet - (physical only) - 716,537
PC: Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 - 217,288

Not sure what this list is or where it came from from.

MW2? The best selling PC games of last year were Elden Ring, Valheim, Escape from Tarkov, Monster Hunter Rise and Dying light 2.

PS4 accounts for 46.8% of Fortnite revenue. That’s compared to just 27.5% on Xbox, 9.6% on PC, and only 7% on iOS devices (prior to the game’s Apple Store delisting).

from Epic Vs Apple Trial leak

Fortnite’s cash cow is PlayStation, not iOS, court documents reveal

Console players bring in a lot of money for Fortnite.

www.theverge.com

Cool I guess? PC accounts for 100% of CS GOs revenue which is the most popular FPS on any platform and the most popular FPS e-sport. CS GO has more active players every month than the total amount of PS4s that Sony ever sold.

In fact CSGO has more total players than the combined of all PS3s, PS4s and PS5s ever sold.

 

[yazenov]

Cool I guess? PC accounts for 100% of CS GOs revenue which is the most popular FPS on any platform and the most popular FPS e-sport. CS GO has more active players every month than the total amount of PS4s that Sony ever sold.

In fact CSGO has more total players than the combined of all PS3s, PS4s and PS5s ever sold.

I'm talking about multiplatform titles that are on everything. you know, apple-to-apple comparison. Is Counter-Strike Go even on PS, Xbox, IOS, and Switch?

RE4 Physical and Digital sales in UK in March

65% of all sales of Resident Evil 4 (both physical and digital) were on PlayStation platforms
20% on Xbox
15% on PC

Resident Evil 4's PS5, PS4 Sales in the UK Leave Xbox to the Los Ganados

PlayStation players accounting for 65%

www.pushsquare.com

 

[Captain Toad]

Nice. Lets get those next gen exclusives (no cross gen) and PSVR2 bangers.

I think if GT7, Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok all came out exactly as are, just for PS5, nobody would say they didn't feel "next-gen".

 

[Ronin_7]

I don't expect them to start development on ES6 before 2024.

After shipping Starfield in September (assuming it doesn't get delayed again), some devs will take vacations. Then comes the Holiday season. Then come Starfield patches and bug fixes, which will take at least a few months as we're all familiar with Bethesda's history.

Only then can they start focusing on ES6.

This is assuming they don't release any new content, DLC, or expansions for Starfield. If they do, ES6 will be pushed away even further.

I totally expect ES6 to be a next-gen launch title at this point, which will be delayed by a year. Similar to how Halo Infinite was planned, delayed, and released the following year.

You're... Absolutely right

 

[fart town usa]

I think if GT7, Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok all came out exactly as are, just for PS5, nobody would say they didn't feel "next-gen".

Fair.

 

[Ronin_7]

Not sure what this list is or where it came from from.

MW2? The best selling PC games of last year were Elden Ring, Valheim, Escape from Tarkov, Monster Hunter Rise and Dying light 2.

Cool I guess? PC accounts for 100% of CS GOs revenue which is the most popular FPS on any platform and the most popular FPS e-sport. CS GO has more active players every month than the total amount of PS4s that Sony ever sold.

In fact CSGO has more total players than the combined of all PS3s, PS4s and PS5s ever sold.

Those numbers are wrong but yes CS is insanely popular.

CS Go had around 28M active players last month.

Source is https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/category/updates/

 

[JackSparr0w]

Those numbers are wrong but yes CS is insanely popular.

CS Go had around 28M active players last month.

Source is https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/category/updates/

The numbers are certainly not wrong they just count active in a longer time-frame

I'm talking about multiplatform titles that are on everything. you know, apple-to-apple comparison. Is Counter-Strike Go even on PS, Xbox, IOS, and Switch?

RE4 Physical and Digital sales in UK in March

65% of all sales of Resident Evil 4 (both physical and digital) were on PlayStation platforms
20% on Xbox
15% on PC

Resident Evil 4's PS5, PS4 Sales in the UK Leave Xbox to the Los Ganados

PlayStation players accounting for 65%

www.pushsquare.com

Elden Ring the biggest multiplat of 2022 sold best on PC.

Elden Ring is the biggest new IP since The Division | European Monthly Charts

Elden Ring is Europe's biggest new games IP since The Division in 2016, and the biggest game launch since Call of Duty:…

www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[Felessan]

Cool I guess? PC accounts for 100% of CS GOs revenue which is the most popular FPS on any platform and the most popular FPS e-sport. CS GO has more active players every month than the total amount of PS4s that Sony ever sold.

And CS:Go is a dwarf compared to Fortnight in terms of revenue. It's actually quite small game in f2p space in terms of revenue, less than a billion estimated. Fortnight is at 6. Genshin is at 4.

MS Solitare has over billion of players. You know what? No one cares. There are no money in these players.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Cool I guess? PC accounts for 100% of CS GOs revenue which is the most popular FPS on any platform and the most popular FPS e-sport. CS GO has more active players every month than the total amount of PS4s that Sony ever sold.

In fact CSGO has more total players than the combined of all PS3s, PS4s and PS5s ever sold.

CS go? Really? Stoop this low to win a debate?

 

[Mr Moose]

The numbers are certainly not wrong they just count active in a longer time-frame


Elden Ring the biggest multiplat of 2022 sold best on PC.

Elden Ring is the biggest new IP since The Division | European Monthly Charts

Elden Ring is Europe's biggest new games IP since The Division in 2016, and the biggest game launch since Call of Duty:…

www.gamesindustry.biz

That's not what that says. That's Europe, and biggest new IP. And it sold 4% more on PC than PS.
UK and Germany not included with those %.
It was in the top 3 best sellers of last year (Europe).

1	FIFA 23 (EA)
2	Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision Blizzard)
3	Elden Ring (Bandai Namco)

 

[JackSparr0w]

And CS:Go is a dwarf compared to Fortnight in terms of revenue. It's actually quite small game in f2p space in terms of revenue, less than a billion estimated. Fortnight is at 6. Genshin is at 4.

MS Solitare has over billion of players. You know what? No one cares. There are no money in these players.

You will never know how much CSGO makes because Valve is a private company but according to Gabe it is one of the most profitable companies in America.

It certainly makes way more than Fornite on Playstation. Fortnite tournaments and prizes are tiny in comparison.

CS go? Really? Stoop this ow to win a debate?

Better than the kiddie game Fortnite. I guess it just confirms that consoles are just plastic toys for kids and PCs for mature competitive gamers

 

[yazenov]

The numbers are certainly not wrong they just count active in a longer time-frame


Elden Ring the biggest multiplat of 2022 sold best on PC.

Elden Ring is the biggest new IP since The Division | European Monthly Charts

Elden Ring is Europe's biggest new games IP since The Division in 2016, and the biggest game launch since Call of Duty:…

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Capcom MHW sales numbers were leaked.

PC USA: 1.616mil
PC EU: 1.570 mil
PC Asia: 2.531 mil
PC Japan: 236k
Total= 5.74 million

Sony USA: 2.392 mil
Sony EU: 1.702 mil
Sony Asia: 1.414 mil
Sony Japan: 3.184mil
Total = 8.692

 

[Felessan]

You will never know how much CSGO makes because Valve is a private company but according to Gabe it is one of the most profitable companies in America.

Gabe can fool you, but it can't fool Wall Street.
Valve valuation is small compared to Epic.
And yes, private companies still have valuations.

 

[JackSparr0w]

Gabe can fool you, but it can't fool Wall Street.
Valve valuation is small compared to Epic.
And yes, private companies still have valuations.

If Valve ever released it's financials and went public it would make Epic look like a firecracker during the Hiroshima bombing. Steam numbers can only be matched by Apple and Google.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Better than the kiddie game Fortnite.

Fortnite is multiplatform. You seemed more reasonable making your Elden ring case. Albeit 44% PC vs 40% PS sales isn't much to base said argument on, on the one game in one region.

I guess it just confirms that consoles are just plastic toys for kids and PCs for mature competitive gamers

If comments like these are reflective of the `mature` PC gamers...

 

[Felessan]

If Valve ever released it's financials and went public it would make Epic look like a firecracker during the Hiroshima bombing. Steam numbers can only be matched by Apple and Google.

The base of valuation of Epic is not a Store but Fortnight, which is estimated to be two times bigger than whole Steam in terms of revenue. Steam revenue actually nothing to be impressed about.
Steam surely sells a lot. In units. At a heavily discounted or super local prices. That doesn't help with revenue.

 

[yazenov]

Fortnite is multiplatform. You seemed more reasonable making your Elden ring case. Albeit 44% PC vs 40% PS sales isn't much to base said argument on, on the one game.

If sure if its worldwide numbers including Japan and the US, the PS numbers will be on top if not extremely close.