GHG
Member
Gamers.
What a piece of hardware that thing was. Still have mine.
Can't find the charger for the life of me though.
Amazing hardware, terrible execution, support and marketing. Just Microsoft things.
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NPD/Circana US March 2023: PS5 #1 (now ahead of PS4 when aligned), RE4#1, MLB#3 and TLOU #5
What a piece of hardware that thing was. Still have mine.
Can't find the charger for the life of me though.
Amazing hardware, terrible execution, support and marketing. Just Microsoft things.
FrankWza
Member
That's doesn’t explain keeping Bethesda and possibly Activision games away from Sony and Nintendo. You'd want them available on every possible platform. 200 million customers is serious business.
It's not available at retailers in some territories. It's just an exclusive window and it's a short one.
Its been 20 years and 3 generations since. Roughly 3 times more years and generations than the head start Sony had on them.
Open ended because xbox is owned by microsoft.
But choosing to skip the game entirely is. More exposure means more sales. Like you said, it's an uphill battle. You don't give up an inch when your fighting uphill.
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kyussman
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All of you in here talking up Jim Ryan for PlayStations success don't realise it takes nerves of steel to play the long game Phil Spencer is going for,getting trounced year after year by PlayStation safe in the knowledge he'll have the last laugh.He is the real hero here,just wait till Gamepass is rocking 1 billion subs and is sitting on top of the gaming world......Jim Ryan will be a forgotten man while they build statues of Phil Spencer all over Sillicon Valley.
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GHG
Member
FrankWza
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You might be joking. You might be serious. I'm at a complete loss on this one.
GHG
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kyussman
Member
Dude,please......come on,lol.
Still not sure. Have you seen some of the posts from the twitter people? I bet some of them already have statutes in their living rooms.
GHG
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kyussman
Member
I don't Twitter.
Astray
Gold Member
This month honestly feels like some sort of sales levee broke. If Sony is selling this much in March, then what should we expect come holiday season?
Between this and the ABK deal potentially closing one way or another, It genuinely feels like April 2023 is a point of no return in many ways.
Between this and the ABK deal potentially closing one way or another, It genuinely feels like April 2023 is a point of no return in many ways.
kyussman
Member
I haven't picked up a controller in nearly two years,I'm just trying to enjoy myself and have a bit of fun while I wait to see if I jump into this gen at all.I'm concerned that I can post something like that and have people not sure if I'm joking or not......I think some of you spend to much time on Twitter,lol.Doeskyussman get the green socks or not? That only goes to the hardest of workers.
Woopah
Member
A 10 million+ quarter is definitely possible for Q3 this financial year.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
They barely had any ads when they didn't cut the marketing budget
But it's also about having the right games at the right time. Avowed being a 93/100 means nothing if they release it between GOW 3, Super Mario Universe and Hogwarts History. It's just going to mean Avowed gets severe lack of attention, and bad sales, because it came out between much more anticipated big releases that had much better marketing behind them.
I would say Starfield is facing this threat right now, if the rumors of Spiderman 2 in September are true. No matter how good Starfield is, it's going to get drowned out by a 1P AAA superhero game based on the most popular character in the world, with the type of marketing push behind it Sony does for their big releases. AND that might be paired with a PS5 revision, too. Starfield really has no chance against that, especially if a lot of people have gotten their RPG fix by that point through other games (such as FF XVI).
Honestly I think Starfield probably needs an "Early Premium" release in August to get some decent time building up mindshare and have some sales in a quiet period before heavy hitters like Spiderman 2 come and suppress its sales potential particularly on the console side, because Xbox already has to contend with it being on Game Pass Day 1, which will hurt B2P sales of it on that platform.
But at least Wolverine has the pedigree of a proven developer behind it, in a genre that developer has become a master of. I would liken anticipation for Wolverine, conceptually, similar to anticipation people have for Starfield. Technically a new IP, unproven, but comes from a proven studio with a history of hits behind them and it's generally similar to things they have already released before.
So I can definitely understand people calling Wolverine a system-seller.
You also don't need to pay $500 for a Steam account; in fact you can make one for free.
Look into the actual numbers of people buying games on Steam at comparable levels (Day 1 purchases, attach rates of purchased individual games (not games part of Humble Bundles or given to them for free), and you'll see that subset lags significantly compared to PlayStation and Nintendo.
Can see 1+ million for November and maybe nearing 2 million for December in NA IF the supply can allow it. I think the Wii and 360 managed numbers like those or close to them for those months sporadically in 7th gen.
Kind of thinking it may not, but maybe it all depends on if the revised PS5 rumors are true.
Flutta
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Versions of titles for those platforms isn't free of development time and resources. MS ultimately wants people in their ecosystem. Putting games on platforms where Game pass does not exist does not further that goal. Those 200 million customers do not outnumber customers who have access to PCs and mobile devices.
Doesn't change my point. If you limit a customers' options of course they'll take the only path available to them. The reverse is also true regarding MS and their games. Consoles are not the only way to access the Xbox ecosystem.
So? When Sony entered the market Sega was almost dead and Nintendo was very arrogant and 3rd parties were looking for a better place to put their titles. Sony had to practically show up and got exclusive games like Final Fantasy 7 right at the start. MS faced a industry leading Sony who was completely dominant. Different situations, different outcomes.
Again so? As long as Xbox customers are being supported I don't care about bragging on a message board MS is winning. Currently there are tons of games in the pipeline for people who support the Xbox platform I'm OK with that.
Cool. You may choose to skip Starfield but I won't. I think it looks like a fun game and I'd prefer to play fun games than to skip them to show my allegiance to a company. There is plenty of exposure for Xbox titles including ways to play without buying a console at all.Profitable.
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Flutta
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MisterXDTV
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MisterXDTV
Member
I know they are not official numbers but right now, VGChartz estimates for Q1 2023 Worldwide are:
PS5: 5.3M
Switch: 3.2M
Xbox Series: 1.5M
DAMN!!
PS5: 5.3M
Switch: 3.2M
Xbox Series: 1.5M
DAMN!!
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Unknown?
Member
Probably off but not by much.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
PS5 is going to beat PS2 my friends
Unknown?
Member
Only if they can reduce the price. PS2 was $99 at the end. PS4 could have but it stayed $299 msrp. It had deals below that for Black Friday but never permanently got to $199 even.
jm89
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DaGwaphics
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I don't think Spiderman 2 is really in the periphery for Starfield. A more comparable game to Starfield on PC would be CP2077, similar very high Steam wishlist numbers, etc. and that did millions day one on PC, the marketing push for Starfield hasn't even started yet. Obviously up to Bethesda to create a game and marketing that can live up to the initial interest though, nothing is ever gauranteed.
Plus, the games aren't the same style or genre, it isn't like they directly compete with each other.
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FrankWza
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Taking games away from other consoles doesn't either. The games aren't exclusive to gamepass. They're going to sell The games to people who do not subscribe too
2 months vs forever is not even close to the same.
Youre the one who brought up Sony's head start. They've had more than enough time to catch up. If not for Microsoft backing them they might be gone from the hardware space. Like Sega that you mentioned
Because it's related to their strategy. Take away. That yield will come from financial might that very few companies can match. I wouldn't brag about that either. That ecosystem was going to get all of those games anyway.
Well, it's included in your subscription. I could understand if it was a gamepass exclusive. Since it's not I'm categorizing in the take away column. It's all fair but it's not exactly shrewd maneuvering and it is completely transparent. If you're going to sell it anyway then sell it to as many people as possible, since they don't care about console sales.
GHG
Member
I heard good things but this will always be the goat DAP:
Iriver, now that's a name I've not heard in a while.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Now that you mention it, there actually is a very similar game to Starfield coming to PC this year. I forget its name, but I've seen a decent amount of gameplay for it, it's made by one person (supposedly), and looks quite good.
As for Starfield vs Spiderman 2, it's not so much because they are similar games, it's just that only a subset of gamers really care about specific genre or theme to choose between them. Most of the people who buy these big games are casuals and are just looking for fun games to play. So they don't care if that comes through a superhero game, or a sci-fi game, but chances are given that superhero game is none other than Spiderman, they are much more inclined to go with the superhero game.
That's what I was mainly trying to say.
feynoob
Member
Starfield edge would be gamepass, otherwise both are neck to neck, with slight edge for spiderman, due to PS fans.
The one that will carry this game is PC/Steam users. Just like cyberpunk2077 got carried by PC community.
Luigi Mario
Member
I remember asking about this in the January or February NPD thread, because I saw on Piscatella’s Twitter that they were getting rid of platform-specific charts.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Now you know why.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Oh well Sony has also 'taken away games' from other platforms. It's called business. Netflix fans were really upset when all those Marvel series went to Disney+. In both cases the IP owner made a choice to put their content in their ecosystem.
Makes no difference. No game Sony makes is ever promised to hit any platforms other than PlayStation. All games MS makes will hit multiple platforms and not just Xbox. I like options, you may not.
If you say so. Plenty of companies could have come out and taken the top cola spot from Coke. It hasn't happened yet. Market leaders don't lose that spot easily. Thankfully MS is not Sega and like it or not they will continue to support their customers and aren't going anywhere. They don't have to outsell PlayStation to be successful and support their customers.
Again Sony takes stuff all the time. It's how they compete. I'm sure you don't complain when they do it though because you prefer that platform. Xbox was always going to get Street Fighter 5 and Final Fantasy 7R anyway right? There is no need to secure any content at all. No one ever takes any games except MS. Hilarious.
I'm glad MS is well funded. It will ensure that the same thing that happened to Sega fans won't happen to Xbox fans and that's a good thing. More platform choices are better than fewer. Having only one 'high performance console' would be terrible for consumers.
Starfield wasn't taken away from anyone. People can easily play the game in multiple ways. Again MS doesn't even require you to buy their console to access their games. Still pretty funny you complain about MS taking stuff away when other companies do the same thing. It is business and people should get used to it. It is what it is.
I have also never claimed MS 'doesn't care about console sales'. Consoles aren't the only way they can get customers. That diversity is a better business strategy for them. It's completely fair and pretty shrewd too. Future CoD sales on PS5 and Switch will fund future Xbox titles. It's a great example of selling a title to as many people as possible as you claim. MS can sell CoD and Minecraft on multiple consoles and make games like Starfield exclusive to their ecosystem. Looks like more of that diversification MS has been doing in this space again.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Question: So since Xbox doesn’t really care about console sales and are more interested in selling software and making customers regardless of platforms, why don’t they release their first-party games on PlayStation?
In addition to not releasing first-party games on PlayStation, MS also keeps buying other multiplatform companies and make their games exclusives, limiting their software reach.
Why?
This goes directly against what you’re saying.
Klayzer
Member
Sorry bro. Securing exclusive deals for a limited time, is not the same as buying large publishers outright. It never will be, no matter how much you try to equate it as such.
graywolf323
Member
I mean you obviously gotta give Phil 15-20 years to clean up the mess that he ‘inherited’ from the ~5 years of Mattrick (please ignore the fact that Phil was the head of Xbox Game Studios during the decline of their first part development)
hey now, where did you get that photo of @adamsapple’s private shrine?Well... Umm...
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Unknown?
Member
When have they taken publishers away though? And usually their exclusives are timed, not permanent.
FrankWza
Member
They owned those ips and kept them to themselves to grow their own streaming service. Comparison? Nobody cares about xbox keeping halo and forza
They don't make those games, they bought them to keep them away. Not exclusive to xbox just not on Nintendo and PlayStation. The 2 most popular console options in video game history.
You mean xbox is not like Sega. And that's because they are backed by Microsoft. They have not, can not and will not be able to compete without that backing or withoutt their new "strategy"
Now that they own Bethesda, their customers are Bethesda customers. Giving them less options is not support.
Buying publishers isn't competition. Xbox or Nintendo could have secured deals for those games. They were out- maneuvered. Sony and Nintendo or xbox can't buy publishers. Microsoft can. Apple can. See?
Bethesda was never going to keep their game off of an inevitable 100million selling console. Until phil played take away.
Pointing things out isn't complaining. When people had a choice they chose over and over, generation after generation, decade after decade. You know that.
No you just change it depending on what point you're trying to prove. You've been championing the series s since launch as one of your beloved "choices" you're so glad to have. See the numbers? You were wrong.
Totally
Not at all. Again, their opportunity is solely based on the ability of Microsoft being one of a handful of companies with the funds within the scope of the industry to buy publishers of this size. None of this is Phil and xbox division
This is coping. If they were able to keep COD exclusive you would rent out your nearest arena and have a party.
ByWatterson
Member
Xbox is the only existing platform that has never won a generation.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i mean..we can definitely say it took some market share from PS...that is a win.
FrankWza
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MasterCornholio
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Team Andromeda
Member
I found nothing wrong with Callisto Protocol or Vanguard and to me you should blame the PR people of VR2 because they've done a terrible job of pushing it and you can hen go on and blame SONY for not making In-House games for it. At least with Series X one knows the games are coming, it's just the bloody wait.
If you want to talk moves I still play the PR people of FOX for destroying NightBreed chances at the box office with utter crap PR that also missed the point of the film
Team Andromeda
Member
It is trolling and lame fanboy point scoring BYE BYE
Kacho
Member
What am I fanboy of exactly? I own one next gen console and it’s an Xbox Series X.
Why not just be honest and admit that my opinion upset you because you’re way too emotionally invested in a brand? Get a grip, bud.