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[Metalman96]

I feel like we haven't even really taken full advantage of the current versions of the consoles. I don't see a point in pro versions right now.

 

[EverydayBeast]

SONY can do no wrong, a "PS5 pro" is SONY taking control of the situation in gaming, advantage SONY.

 

[SEGA_2012]

TERRIBLE news. FUCK mid-gen upgrades !

 

[Yoboman]

I want but as a late 2024 launch

 

[Kerotan]

October 2024 or first half 25 is perfect for a Pro.

 

[Abriael_GN]

100% trust me bro.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I know you have connections. Can you share anything?

I know nothing about it being 100% honest but have known for awhile now Sony's Pro model is in the works but don't know if Xbox is following suit or not

The thing I heard early on is there wont be the focus on TF count this time its going to push RT and better frames SUPPOSEDLY

 

[El Pistolero]

I am at that age where you have seen enough that you begin to find all this noise about streaming, cloud, services, hardware iteration, Pro-versions... really tiring...and quite distracting...The focus is on how to consume, instead of on the product itself...
Development costs are exploding, the industry is consolidating, games are a constant work-in-progress, Netflixization is knocking at the door (Oh Lord!)...
How does the PS5-Pro fit into this? I don't know...Just a bit high and annoyed...

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

100% trust me bro.

Tom knows someone really close in the Sony hardware dept as he was the first to say Sony was bringing a pro controller out

He is the only one talking about the detachable disk drive PS5 coming this holiday and once that is proven correct he will go into more detail about the PS5 Pro

When it comes to Sony hardware I would put a lot of faith in what Tom writes, for now

 

[HelveticaBold]

Didn’t Sony file a patent for accelerated RT a while back? Also Cerny most likely will design the PS5 Pro similar to the 4 Pro, 2x GPU performance. So fidelity mode will run @ 60fps+.

 

[El Pistolero]

I know nothing about it being 100% honest but have known for awhile now Sony's Pro model is in the works but don't know if Xbox is following suit or not

The thing I heard early on is there wont be the focus on TF count this time its going to push RT and better frames SUPPOSEDLY

Changed my mind. I will need to get a Pro version then. See, I'm open-minded...

 

[El Pistolero]

I want but as a late 2024 launch

Early to mid 2025 would be better, as it would give them some more time to focus on the base console audiance. That, and I do not expect a PS6 before late 2028...

 

[rickybooby87]

In Jim Ryan we trust

 

[Arkangelus0]

You’re in denial. Just move to acceptance and save yourself the pain.

Acept the pain for what? because you believe i cant afford new hardware? Because you believe if there is a ps5 pro in the making, is going to make me regret having a ps5? LOL

I can buy any piece of hardware Day 1

 

[Yoboman]

I know nothing about it being 100% honest but have known for awhile now Sony's Pro model is in the works but don't know if Xbox is following suit or not

The thing I heard early on is there wont be the focus on TF count this time its going to push RT and better frames SUPPOSEDLY

PS5 didn't focus on TF count to begin with

I dunno how Xbox sell a third system for devs to create for. How do you make for Series S and a mid gen refresh

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Why? Isn't the ps5 the most powerful...
What a joke lol

Thats not how mid-gen refreshes work bruh...

But I'm sure you knew that and just needed to get something off your chest.

In case you really didn't though... no matter how powerful anything is (consoles, CPUs, GPUs...etc), after three years, you can still make something more powerful for the same amount of money.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

PS4Pro at least served a purpose/had a natural marketing angle in offering 4k output and HDR, I doubt 8k is anywhere near that draw and given that 60fps is way more prevalent unless they are upselling 120fps I just don't see a marketing angle.

"More power" is not a strong enough sales pitch by itself, in the console domain most people judge on the games not the specs. Which is why SX failed to make a difference.

I don't get what the issue is... there doesn't have to be a pitch. It's simple, this is a PS5, it cost $299... and here is a PS5pro, it cost $499. The pro gives you higher fps and better graphics.

The end.

How is this any different from someone buying a GPU and picking either a 4070 or 4090? Buy what you can afford. If I were only, I would make the PS5 $299 and me the PS5pro $599. Sell the thing at a profit.

 

[JimRyanGOAT]

You gotta be a special kind of stupid to be against a OPTIONAL mid gen upgrade

Some of these cross gen games are already struggling with consitent 60FPS

WhY iS SonEH offeRing uS wiTh OpTionS?!?!?

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Why? Isn't the ps5 the most powerful...
What a joke lol

What is this post?

You gotta be a special kind of stupid to be against a OPTIONAL mid gen upgrade

Some of these cross gen games are already struggling with consitent 60FPS

WhY iS SonEH offeRing uS wiTh OpTionS?!?!?

I think most of the people complaining don't want to feel like second class citizens because they can't/won't buy one.

 

[Elbereth]

 

[Unknown?]

For the record PS4 launched end of 2013 in November. PS4 Pro launched at the end of 2016 which is exactly 3 years.

PS5 launched in November of 2020.
PS5 Pro launching in November of 2024 most likely, that's a 4 year difference with an extra year compared to previous gen.

It will be due by then.

PS4 launched weak put of the gate with its CPU. PS5 was well rounded in all areas in 2020 and did not have the same problems as PS4.

 

[Clear]

I don't get what the issue is... there doesn't have to be a pitch. It's simple, this is a PS5, it cost $299... and here is a PS5pro, it cost $499. The pro gives you higher fps and better graphics.

Prices are not going to drop like that ever again. The reason it happened in the past is because advancing technology like die-shrinkage made a real material difference to the bill of materials cost. These days node sizes are so small already the cost reduction is minimal and therefore it makes more sense to re-package to the same or slightly higher BoM and market it as a "Pro" or whatever.

Why introduce an upgrade when it involves so much sunken cost in R+D and then the long-term expenses of guaranteeing compatibility? Obviously because you think introducing a new model is going to increase sales and profits, and to ensure that happens its necessary to sell it to people.

How is this any different from someone buying a GPU and picking either a 4070 or 4090? Buy what you can afford. If I were only, I would make the PS5 $299 and me the PS5pro $599. Sell the thing at a profit.

The console market is not the same as the PC market. The idea is you buy a certain box and games on that are going to be good for a few years. If you want the absolute bleeding edge with an unending stream of component upgrades then just get a PC.

Consoles are for convenience, for everyone not just enthusiasts.

This is why the market has always been price-sensitive, you push the cost up and you start competing with the PC market. Which makes no sense unless you can sell the hardware at the same sort of price premiums enjoyed by brand-name PC vendors!

Bottom line is that based on how the PS4Pro sold, Sony should have a good idea of the sort of numbers a PS5-gen equivalent will shift and the sort of person who buys it; As in, how many of them were pre-existing owners of the stock model and therefore what growth to the overall income from the ecosystem it yielded.

This of course is huge, because they are selling *systems* not just components. They have both a hardware and software ecosystem to maintain.

 

[CLW]

Just wait guys the remaster of Spider-Man 2 on the ps5 pro gonn be epic that will be $70 please

 

[Inanilmaz]

TERRIBLE news. FUCK mid-gen upgrades !

Why?

 

[Smether]

PS4 launched weak put of the gate with its CPU. PS5 was well rounded in all areas in 2020 and did not have the same problems as PS4.

Correct. PS4 Pro was positioned as a response to the drop in 4k tv prices, and surge in adoption there of, happening at that time. Between that and the crappy CPU the midgen refresh felt like a huge value add at the time.

Now, despite a longer period of time between the ps4 pro and the rumored ps5 pro launch, the pandemic has really made it feel like this generation hasn't started and the hardware is untapped.

Regardless, we all know this is coming. Remember Sony wanted to get up to $599 back in the days of the triple, they must be looking at current GPU prices with envy!

 

[Crispy Gamer]

PS4 launched weak put of the gate with its CPU. PS5 was well rounded in all areas in 2020 and did not have the same problems as PS4.

Well it did launch 2 TF weaker than the competition the only reason Series X's advantage haven't manifest is because their most competent devs haven't released anything yet. While I agree it's a well rounded amazing machine it's still underpowered relatively speaking..

 

[Dream-Knife]

Folks are saying this because UnReal Engine 5 games aren't out yet. Which will probably make the PS5/XSX 1440p 30fps machines with all the effects turned on.

Try 720p. As seen with Jedi survivor.

 

[Rykan]

30fps will never cease to exist. As consoles get more powerful devs will push harder and harder with graphics. It's only gone momentarily when transitioning from one generation to another.

Name one other generation where this happened before.

 

[Fbh]

Can't wait to play Jedi Survivor in glorious 900p/50fps

 

[Corndog]

I know nothing about it being 100% honest but have known for awhile now Sony's Pro model is in the works but don't know if Xbox is following suit or not

The thing I heard early on is there wont be the focus on TF count this time its going to push RT and better frames SUPPOSEDLY

Thanks for the response.

 

[fart town usa]

I hope not but only because I know I'll want to get one, especially if it boosts PSVR2. If it doesn't do anything special for PSVR2 then I'll skip, I still mostly play on a 1080p TV.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Nice, finally a more capable machine to run crossgen games, thanks Sony

 

[FStubbs]

PS5 is breaking records, on track for 200 million, and the Pro rumors start to try to slow adoption. Hmm.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

I feel like we haven't even really taken full advantage of the current versions of the consoles. I don't see a point in pro versions right now.

People constantly say this and I don't understand why. There are still compromises even with cross gen games at this point. If you want 60fps you tend to have to take a noticeable hit on image quality. Also, it'd be nice to have 120fps modes actually hit 120fps most of the time.

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Even if it's true, I'm 100% not buying this joke.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

What is this post?



I think most of the people complaining don't want to feel like second class citizens because they can't/won't buy one.

Well, that's their problem.

 

[Elder Legend]

PS4 launched weak put of the gate with its CPU. PS5 was well rounded in all areas in 2020 and did not have the same problems as PS4.

The PS5/Series X are still weak as hell. Plus with Ray-Tracing being introduced and technology moving so quickly mid-gen refreshers are to be expected.

Many games still having performance problems on both machines, this will help alleviate that.

 

[killatopak]

Just market it with RT and VR. Those are in dire need of a Pro machine to really shine.

 

[rapid32.5]

Ken Kutaragi approved this amount of unlimited power ?

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Well, that's their problem.

?? It wasn't even an opinion. That's what I'm getting at. It was just a weird nonsensical statement. lol

 

[Unknown?]

The PS5/Series X are still weak as hell. Plus with Ray-Tracing being introduced and technology moving so quickly mid-gen refreshers are to be expected.

Many games still having performance problems on both machines, this will help alleviate that.

Nah not at all.

 

[Baki]

Plot twist. The PS5 Pro is actually just the server blades that Sony is developing for their PS5 cloud network. They likely want to get to a place where 1 server blade can support 2-4 streams.

 

[PC Gamer]

Insider Gaming.

 

[Wulfer]

It's funny, people clearly don't learn! The development studios will still be focused entirely on PS5 and Series X as the base console.

 

[The Pleasure]

Gimme 60 fps performance mode with full raytracing and ps3/ps2 backwards compatibility and I'll do 600.

 

[VeganElduderino]

total shocker

 

[Anchovie123]

I think people are over worrying about this too much. If you look at the PS4 & PS4 Pro mostly what we saw was a increase in resolution from 1080p to 1440p-1620p additionally the system was incredibly easy to develop for.

A lot of PS5 games are starting to ship with 1440p or sub 1440p resolutions. If the PS5 runs a game at 1440p60 and the PS5 Pro ran the game at 2160p60. Why would this be such a bad thing? Some people are legit acting like this would be HORRIBLE for Sony to do, like what?

I get the argument that we haven't really started with this gen and were still in the cross gen phase. But if you think games are going to magically run at 4k60 with RT on base PS5 once we leave this cross gen phase you are legit brain dead. If the evidence we've seen so far is anything to go by then if anything resolutions and framerates are going to get worse and worse as we leave the cross gen phase.

PS5 Pro would be a good thing and i fully welcome it.

 

[AtomicStarving]

PS5 Pro with 20tflops, 2tb ssd, $1000

Lets goooo

 

[ChoosableOne]

..why?

Because they are competing with themselves at this point.

 

[sendit]

Was there any doubt? The current gen machines are severely out classed without any dedicated AI hardware. Accelerating AI technologies like DLSS and Frame Generation is the way forward as brute forcing can only get us so far given heat and power constraints.