PSSR is based on checkerboard with AI, it's designed to be 2x scale but also done fast and accurate, if anything it's the reverse of what you just said, this will cost more in rendered base pixels but will be upscaling with AI clean at a fast rate.
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Insider Gaming: PS5 Super Resolution will be aiming for 4K120FPS (future console iterations)
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
But is it potentially disrespectful?
Topher
Gold Member
Rumor - Insider Gaming: PS5 Super Resolution will be aiming for 4K120FPS
https://insider-gaming.com/playstations-spectral-super-resolution-pssr/ PlayStation’s new Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR), which will first be integrated into the PlayStation 5 Pro is internally aiming for 4K 120 FPS and 8K 60FPS console gaming, Insider Gaming has learned.
Zathalus
Member
PSSR has got nothing to do with checkerboard rendering. It is a Temporal scaler utilizing AI to enhance the capabilities like XeSS and DLSS.
MadchesterManc
Member
Upscaling to 8K at 60fps doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility for this given its something you've been able to do on a 3090 using DLSS for a while now
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
let's hope so.
I actually really liked checkerboarding since it was used with good TAA and didn't break up so drastically like fsr2
Mr.Phoenix
Member
Is FSR AI accelerated?
If the answer to that is yes, then yes.
If its no, then well...
its a Monday. I should behave myself.
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
8K is just...pointless, I could care less about it, they just need to focus on 4K. Playing FPS games at 120fps to me does make a difference, but all other games I would completely find with just 60fps.
For real. Even master race pc people don't even have 8k monitors.
balls of snow
Member
I will most probably stick with 4k but in a larger screen for next gen but bring on that unlimited power Sony.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Quantum253
Member
That would be nice. It always seems consoles are chasing that next graphical/performance standard. When Xbox 360 launched, we started getting gaming in HD, and it was glorious. Then it started the 1080p/60fps standard. That went into the next systems (One/PS4) where we thought 1080p/60 would be the standard for everything. Then it went to 4k, then adding RTX, and on and on. Seems today now it's talking about 8k/30 4k/60 and were still trying for consistent 1440p/60.
I hope PSSR/DLSS/etc get us over that hump, but I feel that we move to the next before perfecting the previous standard.
I hope PSSR/DLSS/etc get us over that hump, but I feel that we move to the next before perfecting the previous standard.
Some games get scaled down to even 1080p60 with 4090, it's not their problem, they make 8k tvs to market them obviously.Don't people get tired of the bullshit hype around 8K and 120fps? It will never amount to anything. Like in the current gen, to get these means making massive compromises and trade-offs. Why play at 8K / 120fps when you can get dramatically better graphics by playing at 'just' 4K and 60fps?
None of this is new.
2018
PlayStation 5 reportedly teased with insane 8K 120FPS
Gran Turismo creator teases next-gen PS5 would have 'no problem' running GT Sport at 8K.www.tweaktown.com
2019
Sony PlayStation 5 Promises 4K 120Hz Gaming
Sony has finalized the design and specification of its PlayStation 5 entertainment system. Unlike buzzwords Microsoft threw around like "8K capable" for its "Project Scarlett" console, Sony has a slightly different design goal: 4K UHD at 120 Hz, guaranteed. The most notable absentee at E3 2019...www.techpowerup.com
2021
PS5’s first 8K 60fps game has arrived | VGC
But the console doesn’t yet support 8K output…www.videogameschronicle.com
In fact the PS5 and Xbox often can't get close to maintaining even 1080p60. Let's learn to walk before we can run eh.
Buggy Loop
Member
"aiming"
Like they aimed 4k 60fps at the beginning of the gen?
Like they aimed 4k 60fps at the beginning of the gen?
Badlucktroll
Member
When abouts do you think we can buy 8k oled tvs?
MikeM
Member
Even 4k TV stations are still rare today. Going to 8k has no legitimate use case.
Gamerguy84
Member
Sounds great. Sony engineers and AMD has come up with some great hardware tricks in the past. PS isn't a PC and doesn't have to stick with parts off a shelf. They seem to take those parts and say what if we add this or change that a bit. It's a console and they want to max the hardware to do one thing.
Won't really believe or disbelieve at this point just enjoy reading about it.
When they made claims about their I/O on PS5 I remember all the doubting claiming BS and then they showed they really did it.
Won't really believe or disbelieve at this point just enjoy reading about it.
When they made claims about their I/O on PS5 I remember all the doubting claiming BS and then they showed they really did it.
SplunkyMunkey
Member
I trust sony engineers with Mark cerny then Microsoft. And with this pssr I think they can get atleast 4k60fps with ps5 pro. future hardware and updates with the psst they will get 4k120fps to 8k. Eventually.
If pssr surpasses nvidia dlss then ps5 pro could possibly see games in ultra settings or high/very high settings with full Ray tracing
If pssr surpasses nvidia dlss then ps5 pro could possibly see games in ultra settings or high/very high settings with full Ray tracing
Audiophile
Gold Member
My hope would be a native 1080p/40 minimum mandate going into PS6. Then with another 4yrs of technology development, dev experience, model training and hardware gains the tech will be good enough to return a better-than-native 4K image with a blanket PSSR2 implementation that hooks into all games on the PS6 API from the outset, as well as a toggleable frame gen to a locked 60fps or ~80-120fps VRR.
Devs could of course override this and do their own thing if they're aiming for a 60fps mode or higher in more latency/response-sensitive titles; or want to use their own hybrid or bespoke upscaling solutions.
But, maintaining a minimum quality level for users of the platform should be a high priority.
Devs could of course override this and do their own thing if they're aiming for a 60fps mode or higher in more latency/response-sensitive titles; or want to use their own hybrid or bespoke upscaling solutions.
But, maintaining a minimum quality level for users of the platform should be a high priority.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
I'm just glad to have something to call pisser.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Gamerguy84
Member
Well we do have the tourist so far at 8K 60, as simple as it is. They have definitely been playing with this idea of hitting 8K.
Personally don't feel they can get 8K 30 but I do think they're gonna hit native 4K.
Personally don't feel they can get 8K 30 but I do think they're gonna hit native 4K.
Mibu no ookami
Member
They're 8k models as well...
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What is 8k in them? Their textures?
Mibu no ookami
Member
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makaveli60
Member
I want current gen games, not ps4 games in 8k/120fps. I hate what this industry became. It’s a f’n joke at this point in every sense.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
LOL! Maybe a bit, but 30 fps has to stay. It's what drives some games to look next-gen. Not all games even need 60 fps. Hellblade 2 would be worthless in 60 fps.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
They should “aim” for 16K 240Hz
Audiophile
Gold Member
I think 40fps is a much more reasonable ask. And by the time PS6 rolls around the hardware and a toggleable frame-gen will probably be good enough to flawlessly take that from 40 to 60fps locked and 80fps+ VRR.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
If this can go toe to toe with dlss 3.5 sony deserve some crazy props.
Excited to see it in action.
Excited to see it in action.
bitbydeath
Member
8K/30FPS is all I want.
Killer8
Member
4K should be that resolution. You would need to sit less than a meter from a 65" screen, or have a screen hundreds of inches in size at a normal viewing distance, to see any appreciable difference.
8K is basically a meme resolution.
Ashamam
Member
Or MetalFX temporal. Which is based on FSR but with ML component, so probably a closer comparison.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
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but hdmi2.1 only supports 8k60, and even that needs DSC (data compression) to hit 4:4:4.
plus even a 4090 has trouble at 8k.
new GPUs + new hdmi version = time to buy 8k TVs
LavitzSlambert
Member
And will the Pro's performance be held back by that CPU, as well as how long of a lag it will it take for devs to take advantage. I wouldn't be surprised if we only start seeing the benefits toward the end of very end of the PS5's lifespan when PS6 is right around the corner.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
And it will hit the target
Bojji
Member
With PSSR and frame generation it is possible.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
With rasterization as well.
With PSSR 8K
Bojji
Member
You mean 4K 120FPS? If we are talking about PS5 Pro then CPU won't allow it in most games but PS6 will do it.
I hope Sony implements frame gen into this and allows 60fps games to run with 120FPS/Hz output and frame gen allows to overcome CPU limitations.