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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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Kenshin775

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Topher said:
You don't get it. If an entity or person continues to break the law then the punishment for breaking the law will continue and it will ratchet up greatly as long as the law is being broken. You act like operating illegally endlessly will not be dealt with. It will. CMA has enforcement powers to deal with this kind of thing.

You should watch the video again, because the guy literally described what you are saying as "bonkers".
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I guess "I don't get it". I just don't see a scenario ever where the UK would force MS out or where MS would leave the UK. You guys even suggesting that the UK would issue a fine so large that MS would leave the UK sounds bonkers to me. If MS says hey doing business in the UK is not profitable because the 3 billion breakup fee we'd have to pay is like 20 years of profit(not sure on this number actually) from the UK territory so we might just leave so we can close the deal, I actually think UK politicians would encourage MS to stay and pay fines while they get this sorted out.

Ringfencing is possible and all these "tv financial analysts" that you guys mocked me for listening too seem to think MS can possibly do it(I'm sure they would have factored in the UK's possible response when doing their analysis). Maybe every single one of them doesn't know what they are talking about. I don't know maybe I am wrong but let's leave it at that.
 
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feynoob

feynoob

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Kenshin775 said:
I guess "I don't get it". I just don't see a scenario ever where the UK would force MS out or where MS would leave the UK. You guys even suggesting that the UK would issue a fine so large that MS would leave the UK sounds bonkers to me. If MS says hey doing business in the UK is not profitable because the 3 billion breakup fee we'd have to pay is like 20 years of profit(not sure on this number actually) from the UK territory so we might just leave so we can close the deal, I actually think UK politicians would encourage MS to stay and pay fines while they get this sorted out.

Ringfencing is possible and all these "tv financial analysts" that you guys mocked me for listening too seem to think MS can possibly do it(I'm sure they would have factored in the UK's possible response when doing their analysis). Maybe every single one of them doesn't know what they are talking about. I don't know maybe I am wrong but let's leave it at that.
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It's best if you wait until July this year.

If Activision and blizzard continue the deal, then yes MS has a chance. Otherwise nope.
 
X-Wing

X-Wing

Member
Kenshin775 said:
I guess "I don't get it". I just don't see a scenario ever where the UK would force MS out or where MS would leave the UK. You guys even suggesting that the UK would issue a fine so large that MS would leave the UK sounds bonkers to me. If MS says hey doing business in the UK is not profitable because the 3 billion breakup fee we'd have to pay is like 20 years of profit(not sure on this number actually) from the UK territory so we might just leave so we can close the deal, I actually think UK politicians would encourage MS to stay and pay fines while they get this sorted out.

Ringfencing is possible and all these "tv financial analysts" that you guys mocked me for listening too seem to think MS can possibly do it(I'm sure they would have factored in the UK's possible response when doing their analysis). Maybe every single one of them doesn't know what they are talking about. I don't know maybe I am wrong but let's leave it at that.
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You are being dense. Microsoft "ring fencing" this would be against the law and Microsoft would not only be fined up to 5% of it's total profit but would destroy any trust they may have won with any other regulator in the world.
Microsoft will appeal, if that fails they will drop the deal. It is that simple.
 
graywolf323

graywolf323

Member
GHG said:
It's staggering to witness Xbox endorse and allow their own community get torn apart like this.

The attitude:

Bb24 GIF by Big Brother


I'd like to see anyone argue that it isn't a cult now. This won't end well.
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there’s been a cult of personality around Phil Spencer for a solid decade now
 
Banjo64

Banjo64

cumsessed
GHG said:
Darkmage burning through his alts at record pace.
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My favourite alt/shill is still this guy:
Banjo64 said:
The plot thickens…


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Joined within 13 days of each other 19 years ago. Usernames similarly formatted DarkMage/DopeyFish. Exits a long hiatus to cheerlead a MS acquisition.

I kid of course.





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He came, he shilled, he conquered. Forged a dream team for a day with DarkMage619 DarkMage619 and then left like a fart in the wind.
 
Topher

Topher

Gold Member
Kenshin775 said:
I guess "I don't get it". I just don't see a scenario ever where the UK would force MS out or where MS would leave the UK. You guys even suggesting that the UK would issue a fine so large that MS would leave the UK sounds bonkers to me. If MS says hey doing business in the UK is not profitable because the 3 billion breakup fee we'd have to pay is like 20 years of profit(not sure on this number actually) from the UK territory so we might just leave so we can close the deal, I actually think UK politicians would encourage MS to stay and pay fines while they get this sorted out.

Ringfencing is possible and all these "tv financial analysts" that you guys mocked me for listening too seem to think MS can possibly do it(I'm sure they would have factored in the UK's possible response when doing their analysis). Maybe every single one of them doesn't know what they are talking about. I don't know maybe I am wrong but let's leave it at that.
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Sylvester Stallone Facepalm GIF


I'm done. Believe what you want
 
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Ar¢tos

Ar¢tos

Member
Kenshin775 said:
I guess "I don't get it". I just don't see a scenario ever where the UK would force MS out or where MS would leave the UK. You guys even suggesting that the UK would issue a fine so large that MS would leave the UK sounds bonkers to me. If MS says hey doing business in the UK is not profitable because the 3 billion breakup fee we'd have to pay is like 20 years of profit(not sure on this number actually) from the UK territory so we might just leave so we can close the deal, I actually think UK politicians would encourage MS to stay and pay fines while they get this sorted out.

Ringfencing is possible and all these "tv financial analysts" that you guys mocked me for listening too seem to think MS can possibly do it(I'm sure they would have factored in the UK's possible response when doing their analysis). Maybe every single one of them doesn't know what they are talking about. I don't know maybe I am wrong but let's leave it at that.
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Are you from this planet?
MS isn't going anywhere or leaving any country.
If they break the law, they get fines, if they want to keep breaking the law, the fines get higher with every new one, but being a company with a big legal division, they are smarter than that , so if it comes to picking between buying ATK to make Xbox stop crying or staying in the country, then Xbox is screwed. They are not gonna risk their international reputation or lose contracts to the competition over a mere 70bn.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
ReBurn said:
This comment highlights that Microsoft generally release well made-games, well-rated games much more often than they release bad games. It's bizarre that people think they need to form a preliminary defense force to defend Microsoft when there's no objective history of media bias against them or of there being a bias against their games by reviewers. It's also bizarre that some people consistently insist that Microsoft doesn't release good games.
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Take a look at that list again. Outside of the driving, flying games, and latest smaller Zenimax games that they just purchased (which have a niche audience) only Ori, Halo, and Gears have been rated high. And most of those games came out many years ago.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
X-Wing said:
You are being dense. Microsoft "ring fencing" this would be against the law and Microsoft would not only be fined up to 5% of it's total profit but would destroy any trust they may have won with any other regulator in the world.
Microsoft will appeal, if that fails they will drop the deal. It is that simple.
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Thanks guys for laying this out so easily to understand. Almost NONE of my podcasts that I listen to are doing this. They ALL are saying it'll still go through.
 
ReBurn

ReBurn

Gold Member
mckmas8808 said:
Take a look at that list again. Outside of the driving, flying games, and latest smaller Zenimax games that they just purchased (which have a niche audience) only Ori, Halo, and Gears have been rated high. And most of those games came out many years ago.
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So what?
 
IFireflyl

IFireflyl

Gold Member
SoloKingRobert said:
You probably kept on spouting your propaganda nonsense...
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I would normally think that this type of response was a joke, but in case your response wasn't a joke, all I told him was that he was misleading his followers due to his limited knowledge of UK laws. Not only did he say that that comment was the sole reason that I deserved a block, but he later found out that he was wrong (like I said), and he deleted his original tweet.
 
SoloKingRobert

SoloKingRobert

Banned
IFireflyl said:
I would normally think that this type of response was a joke, but in case your response wasn't a joke, all I told him was that he was misleading his followers due to his limited knowledge of UK laws. Not only did he say that that comment was the sole reason that I deserved a block, but he later found out that he was wrong (like I said), and he deleted his original tweet.
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Yeah, it was a joke. I usually just ignore the twitter users.
 
mrmustard

mrmustard

Banned
I preordered Diablo 4 now and don't care about the outcome of the deal anymore. But after all that Florian and Senju mocking (yes, i know those guys are let's just say special to be friendly) it would be next level hilarious to read this thread if they somehow are right in the end. I can't stop laughing when i think about what happens here.
 
MasterCornholio

MasterCornholio

Member
mrmustard said:
I preordered Diablo 4 now and don't care about the outcome of the deal anymore. But after all that Florian and Senju mocking (yes, i know those guys are let's just say special to be friendly) it would be next level hilarious to read this thread if they somehow are right in the end. I can't stop laughing when i think about what happens here.
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Depends what you are talking about. Like the Sages review conspiracy theory. I don't think that's true at all. Nor is Florians claims on Microsoft dumping the UK to get what they want.

What I'm actually wondering if those individuals will stay with us if they are wrong.

Edit: When it comes to being wrong Florian was proven wrong on multiple occasions. He just censors everything that disagrees or educates him. I believe someone recently did that.
 
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Three

Member
mrmustard said:
I preordered Diablo 4 now and don't care about the outcome of the deal anymore. But after all that Florian and Senju mocking (yes, i know those guys are let's just say special to be friendly) it would be next level hilarious to read this thread if they somehow are right in the end. I can't stop laughing when i think about what happens here.
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Right about what? Even if MS wins on appeal nobody here has completely ruled that out. Doesn't mean Senju and co are exonerated from being total nutjobs who get a lot of stuff wrong regarding the legal system in the UK.
 
MasterCornholio

MasterCornholio

Member
Three said:
Right about what? Even if MS wins on appeal nobody here has completely ruled that out. Doesn't mean Senju and co are exonerated from being total nutjobs who get a lot of stuff wrong regarding the legal system in the UK.
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What people are calling wrong is the claim that Microsoft can best the UK into submission. That won't happen here.

If Microsoft wants thus to go through they have to go through the appeal process. There isn't a guaranteed win for them in this situation.
 
GHound

GHound

Member
MasterCornholio said:
Depends what you are talking about. Like the Sages review conspiracy theory. I don't think that's true at all. Nor is Florians claims on Microsoft dumping the UK to get what they want.

What I'm actually wondering if those individuals will stay with us if they are wrong.

Edit: When it comes to being wrong Florian was proven wrong on multiple occasions. He just censors everything that disagrees or educates him. I believe someone recently did that.
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SOP is to never stop doubling down.
 
MasterCornholio

MasterCornholio

Member
mrmustard said:
Some of their whatever theories. I don't read their weird stuff, but everytime i look into this thread it's full of Mueller and Senju Twitter stuff.
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Well because they are extremely vocal against this and Sage was on Gaf for a really long time before he got permed.

I think because they say crazy shit is why they are mentioned here. Same thing with Jez Corden although he's not spoken of as much here. And that guy from Xbox Era.
 
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mrmustard

mrmustard

Banned
MasterCornholio said:
Well because they are extremely vocal against this and Sage was on Gaf for a really long time before he got permed.

I think because they say crazy shit is why they are mentioned here. Same thing with Jez Corden although he's not spoken of as much here. And that guy from Xbox Era.
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Is Sage Senju? I'm losing track.
 
feynoob

feynoob

Gold Member
Our of all things, MS leaving UK wasn't on my bingo card.
If this deal is feasible, leave it. Go for small studios before Sony or other companies snatch them.
 
feynoob

feynoob

Gold Member
Astray said:
People who talk about ringfencing or carving out the UK portion of Activision business, here is the #1 reason that will never ever happen: The financial loss would be insane!

Giphy's pricetag went from $400m to $53m!!!!

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Facebook/meta is how to lose money, but still be in the business.
 
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