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[Elios83]

Please. This thread has become the poster child of conspiracy theory. We now have horrible people in this thread people begging for witch hunting anyone who left a like on one of their comments here. Who would have actually believed an explanation? It would have just been more blood in the water for these obsessed morons who are following the account across social media.

Why? If he was innocent there would have been a credible explanation for what happened in the screenshot, instead he went into panic and the immediate reaction was to try to cancel evidence in all his profiles. Same thing leakers do when they get caught.

You're making up a castle of excuses to defend a person whose only contributions in the thread were posts like "Can't wait to see the acquisition going through and all of you going in meltdown" and who got caught being a shill.

Astroturfers should be banned regardless of the side they root for, not defended because they did the work for the company you like.

 

[Faust]

Further attempts at pushing witch hunts and derailing the thread shall be dealt with accordingly. Discuss the merger and whether it is/is not getting approved.

 

[Dick Jones]

Further attempts at pushing witch hunts and derailing the thread shall be dealt with accordingly. Discuss the merger and whether it is/is not getting approved.

Is the astroturfing comments off limits or can we bring up this when someone uses Florian as an authority here? I agree with no witch-hunt

 

[Faust]

Is the astroturfing comments off limits or can we bring up this when someone uses Florian as an authority.l here? I agree with no witch-hunt

If you believe someone is astroturfing, report them. People who use Florian as an “authority” will be treated the same way when people post tweets about any notable console warrior or Astroturfer from any major company. Report them if you believe they are console warring.

 

[MasterCornholio]

If you believe someone is astroturfing, report them. People who use Florian as an “authority” will be treated the same way when people post tweets about any notable console warrior or Astroturfer from any major company. Report them if you believe they are console warring.

I'm happy with that.

I don't post anything from twitter but I think it would be better for discussions if we leave out SenjutsuSage and Florian. They definitely proved to have issues and their opinions don't really contribute anything to this threads besides derailing it.

Let's focus on the facts and leave the crazy stuff out of this.

 

[Bernoulli]

I'm happy with that.

does it mean we can use him as source for news about the appeal or not?

 

[graywolf323]

edit: just saw the mod post after the post I quoted

 

[MasterCornholio]

does it mean we can use him as source for news about the appeal or not?

Ask the mods but i believe there are other sources for that. I'm sure the CMA, CAT, Microsoft and journalists will talk about this. There's no need for Florian and his theories IMO.

 

[Bernoulli]

according to idas on the 30 it will be only the case management conference for the MS appeal (to set timing and agenda, nothing fancy), so we will only get dates no news


NEXT KEY DATES:

- May 30th 2023: Case management conference for the CAT appeal (to set the agenda and timing of the process).

- Late May 2023: decision from the Korea Fair Trade Commission.

- June 9th 2023: decision from New Zealand.

- June 12th 2023: possible decision from the Competition Bureau in Canada.

- June 21st 2023: final decision from the Competition Tribunal in South Africa.

- July 18th 2023: The end of the second extension and final outside date in the merger agreement. If MS quits by that date they have to pay a termination fee of $3,000,000,000; if they don't, they'll have to renegotiate the outside date with ABK.

- August 2nd 2023: beginning of the FTC in-house trial.

- Late 2023/Early 2024: decision from the CAT.

- Early 2024: decision from the FTC administrative law judge.

 

[gothmog]

does it mean we can use him as source for news about the appeal or not?

I'm sure the mods will warn us if there's an issue.

 

[Dick Jones]

does it mean we can use him as source for news about the appeal or not?

I'm taking it that posters can use the information in their posts and others are allowed to mock the post if it reads like absolute shit.

You just can't start accusing other posters of being astroturfers or Florian because you disagree with them with zero evidence and try to get them banned. Remember anyone who uses Florian as a source isn't Florian.

 

[Topher]

Personally I think we should leave Florian out of the discussion going forward. He isn't a source of news. He is pushing an agenda. I think we all get way to wrapped around the nonsense he posts on twitter, and when I say "we", I'm including myself entirely. Same for senshitsu

Just my opinion though.

 

[supernova8]

OK so... now we have Florian out of our system (figuratively and literally), are there any people (legal experts) we can follow who do not have an interest in either side?

I've heard of that Hoegs Law dude but that's about it really. The Idas person on ERA seems to be knowledgeable (and doesn't appear to have an agenda).

 

[jm89]

OK so... now we have Florian out of our system (figuratively and literally), are there any people (legal experts) we can follow who do not have an interest in either side?

I've heard of that Hoegs Law dude but that's about it really. The Idas person on ERA seems to be knowledgeable (and doesn't appear to have an agenda).

Yeah pretty much idas and pixis are the 2 guys to follow.

I wouldn't waste my time with hoes law, the other 2 are much more knowledgeable in this area and he has a clear bias, and that's putting it lightly.

 

[Topher]

OK so... now we have Florian out of our system (figuratively and literally), are there any people (legal experts) we can follow who do not have an interest in either side?

I've heard of that Hoegs Law dude but that's about it really. The Idas person on ERA seems to be knowledgeable (and doesn't appear to have an agenda).

Idas is a good source of information. He has been pro-acquisition, but has relayed solid information throughout the entire process. Also, he has been realistic about the chances of an appeal not being very good.

Hoeg has moved on to lighter subjects. I think he is trying to avoid engaging heavily in any of this for healthy reasons, understandably.

Yeah pretty much idas and pixis are the 2 guys to follow.

I wouldn't waste my time with hoes law, the other 2 are much more knowledgeable in this area and he has a clear bias, and that's putting it lightly.

Who is pixis?

 

[drganon]

OK so... now we have Florian out of our system (figuratively and literally), are there any people (legal experts) we can follow who do not have an interest in either side?

I've heard of that Hoegs Law dude but that's about it really. The Idas person on ERA seems to be knowledgeable (and doesn't appear to have an agenda).

Idas seems relatively decent. Hoeg isn't as bad as foss, but still not trustworthy.

 

[jm89]

Who is pixis?

Merger and acquisition lawyer from the UK whose worked on CMA cases. Rarely posts though, so his posts get lost.

 

[Topher]

Merger and acquisition lawyer from the UK whose worked on CMA cases. Rarely posts though, so his posts get lost.

He posts on era?

 

[supernova8]

Yeah pretty much idas and pixis are the 2 guys to follow.

I wouldn't waste my time with hoes law, the other 2 are much more knowledgeable in this area and he has a clear bias, and that's putting it lightly.

Oh I see, I haven't really looked at any of his stuff on the MS/ActiBliz deal, I only remember seeing his stuff about the failed Nvidia x ARM merger.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Idas seems relatively decent. Hoeg isn't as bad as foss, but still not trustworthy.

I'm still OK with Hoeg though. Unlike Florian he isn't crazy. I don't have an issue with biases. Only when they are extreme is where the issue is.

 

[Bernoulli]

I'm taking it that posters can use the information in their posts and others are allowed to mock the post if it reads like absolute shit.

You just can't start accusing other posters of being astroturfers or Florian because you disagree with them with zero evidence and try to get them banned. Remember anyone who uses Florian as a source isn't Florian.

Oh i understand now, so astrosurfers means accusing others of being the guy (florian in this case)

So there is no issue we can still use him as source ?

 

[jm89]

He posts on era?

Yeah

 

[supernova8]

Idas seems relatively decent. Hoeg isn't as bad as foss, but still not trustworthy.

What makes Hoeg untrustworthy? (I'm not very up to speed, is he rooting for a particular side?)

 

[Bernoulli]

I'm still OK with Hoeg though. Unlike Florian he isn't crazy. I don't have an issue with biases. Only when they are extreme is where the issue is.

I disagree in this case he is from the US and he knows norhing about UK law
He even goes into crazy theories like Microsoft pulling out of the UK

 

[Bernoulli]

Yeah

There is also luke
He is from the Uk
I think he is on twitter but he only corrects crazy theories, he was also on a podcast

 

[Topher]

What makes Hoeg untrustworthy? (I'm not very up to speed, is he rooting for a particular side?)

Definitely pro-acquisition. He has had some bizarre takes on twitter.

 

[MasterCornholio]

There is also luke
He is from the Uk
I think he is on twitter but he only corrects crazy theories, he was also on a podcast

That's fine. I don't think he's as bad as Florian though.

 

[supernova8]

Definitely pro-acquisition. He has had some bizarre takes on twitter.

I don't really mind him being pro-acquisition as long as he doesn't have an actual agenda (ie he's not getting paid to hold that opinion unlike Solo, also known as King, also known as Robert)

 

[TheDreadLord]

What makes Hoeg untrustworthy? (I'm not very up to speed, is he rooting for a particular side?)

He seems to be perfectly fine… I guess that the issue is that he has a different understanding than most here. At least, his point of view is based and makes sense if you set aside your own preferences.

 

[Ar¢tos]

I disagree in this case he is from the US and he knows norhing about UK law
He even goes into crazy theories like Microsoft pulling out of the UK

He can be from the US but specialising in UK law. At least here in portugal there are many lawyers specialised in UK law (for ex-pat/immigrant issues).

 

[Topher]

I don't really mind him being pro-acquisition as long as he doesn't have an actual agenda (ie he's not getting paid to hold that opinion unlike Solo, also known as King, also known as Robert)

No, I don't think Hoeg is a shill at all.

 

[Bernoulli]

He can be from the US but specialising in UK law. At least here in portugal there are many lawyers specialised in UK law (for ex-pat/immigrant issues).

but this isn't the case
he was reporting on everything everyday until the CMA blocked and he disappeard, then when the EC approved he came back

who i trust is idas, he isn't neutral but he publishes the facts without trying to spin them in some way

i try to avoid any that change their opinion based on what gives them the more views or followers

like hoeglaw when he reports on anything other than ABK his views and likes drop to zero

i understand his point that he needs to please his "community" by giving them copium but that makes him untrustworthy if you want info on the deal

he isn't a shill but he is definitly influenced to make his channel grow

 

[reinking]

No, I don't think Hoeg is a shill at all.

Hoeg is not a shill but he is bias. I used to listen to him before the Epic vs Apple case. I was on the same side of that as he was but he had bias in that too. I don't listen to him as much as I used to but I do keep in mind that he has his personal bias in his videos. Which is fine IMO because I do not believe he is on any companies' payroll to voice them. I'm not even sure he voices them to retain a certain following. I think he just has his personal views/leanings and that is cool. Most of us do.

 

[feynoob]

 

[jm89]

Now that he is gone. Here is idas, who florian hates the most.

Some of these bits really show the difficulty of the appeals process.

As has been explained multiple times, an appeal under section 120 faces a high barrier to overcome because MS/ABK must show either that there was no evidence at all to support the CMA's decision or that, on the basis of the evidence the CMA could not reasonably come to the conclusion it did.

For MS/ABK is not sufficient to demonstrate that the evidence could support a different conclusion. In fact, the CAT won't reassess the evidence and substitute its own views for those of the CMA. The CAT won't even reassess the relative weight to be given to a piece of evidence.

The CAT usually wants to avoid an intervention that would add unnecessary cost, extra time and complexity to the process.

When appealing a decision from the CMA, new and fresh evidence (including expert witness, documents or legal opinion) will be admitted only in limited circumstances. In fact, the parties cannot rely on new evidence that was not before the CMA, unless there is permission from the CAT.

He goes into more details for each of these areas. But none of it is really that promising for MS.

Suffice to say ALOT of things have to really go microsofts way.

 

[Corrik]

Hoeg is very informative. His line by line going through documents was great. Sucks if he stopped following it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Topher

You have a link to that 400 page CMA document?

I might read it if I have down time tomorrow.

 

[Topher]

Topher

You have a link to that 400 page CMA document?

I might read it if I have down time tomorrow.

Yep. Here is the link to the final ruling.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/644939aa529eda000c3b0525/Microsoft_Activision_Final_Report_.pdf

All other documents can be found here:

Microsoft / Activision Blizzard merger inquiry

The CMA investigated the anticipated acquisition by Microsoft Corporation of Activision Blizzard, Inc.

www.gov.uk

 

[dotnotbot]

Lol, even Yahoo's comments section has its own console warriors.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yep. Here is the link to the final ruling.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/644939aa529eda000c3b0525/Microsoft_Activision_Final_Report_.pdf

All other documents can be found here:

Microsoft / Activision Blizzard merger inquiry

The CMA investigated the anticipated acquisition by Microsoft Corporation of Activision Blizzard, Inc.

www.gov.uk

Thank you I'll be bookmarking this for future reference.

 

[Faust]

After some deliberations with the mod team/admins, we will remove continued posts of Florian in this thread. Please find and utilize other sources of information.

Thank You.

 

[MasterCornholio]

After some deliberations with the mod team/admins, we will remove continued posts of Florian in this thread. Please find and utilize other sources of information.

Thank You.

With how big this thread is maybe you should add it to the OP. Its definitely going go get lost if this lasts a long time.

 

[Mr Moose]

And while Microsoft and Activision Blizzard could theoretically deal with the UK by continuing to operate as separate companies in that country, and a single entity elsewhere, it can’t do that with the US and its 217 million gamers.

Who wrote this cack?

 

[PropellerEar]

Who wrote this cack?

Daniel Howley

Daniel Howley is the tech editor at Yahoo Finance. He began covering the tech industry since 2011 as a writer for Laptop Magazine where he reviewed laptops and smartphones. He now reports on the business...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Topher]

Who wrote this cack?

Pretty sure that is coming from the guy in the embedded video. He is the one who got folks like zomboden Microsoft would be able to work around the UK somehow. As the M&A lawyer in Gaz's podcast said, all of that is predicated on Microsoft owning ABK which they factually cannot do.

Daniel Howley

Daniel Howley is the tech editor at Yahoo Finance. He began covering the tech industry since 2011 as a writer for Laptop Magazine where he reviewed laptops and smartphones. He now reports on the business...

www.yahoo.com

 

[feynoob]

Who wrote this cack?

a wiseman.

 

[Bernoulli]

Topher

You have a link to that 400 page CMA document?

I might read it if I have down time tomorrow.

The full report of the Microsoft appeal will be published but don't know when
We might get the summary of the ABK appeal next week

 

[Faust]

With how big this thread is maybe you should add it to the OP. Its definitely going go get lost if this lasts a long time.

Done.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Done.

Awesome

 

[MasterCornholio]

The full report of the Microsoft appeal will be published but don't know when
We might get the summary of the ABK appeal next week

Definitely would like to see that as well. But I'll be reviewing the calculations the CMA made to get a better understanding on Microsofts appeal. Afterall the data is one of their main complaints.