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Why are emails so easily accessible?
Can someone explain how this lawyers get the emails? I tought emails were private

Not company emails. If a company is served with a subpoena they must hand over all relevant requests that are granted.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not company emails. If a company is served with a subpoena they must hand over all relevant requests that are granted.

Private emails and texts can also be depending on the severity of the legal implications of a trial. Murder, assault & battery, rape, child abuse, etc..

 

[mckmas8808]

So this was a fun little activity for the past week. After listening to most of the case bar today, I can't see how MS doesn't win this case and I predict they will.

Phil should have been the FTC's primary witness target, but they could never fully nailed him.

The one thing I did gather from this is that Sony better prepare for a fight, because MS for the very first time is going on offense in the console market. Sony will also for the first time be in a situation where they will have a few less studios to pump out content than their competitors something they never had to deal with.

I've read some say the bolded and it's one of the biggest load of BS I've read about these MS purchases. MS were 100% trying before. But now they've decided that can't compete on a creative level, so they are going with buying the industry.

How can some of you all not see and understand this?

 

[NickFire]

I've read some say the bolded and it's one of the biggest load of BS I've read about these MS purchases. MS were 100% trying before. But now they've decided that can't compete on a creative level, so they are going with buying the industry.

How can some of you all not see and understand this?

Prosecutor:
Mr. Chappelle, what would it take to convince you that R. Kelly is guilty?

Dave Chappelle:
Okay, I'd have to see a video of him singing "Pee On You," two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of my buddies and Neal taking notes, and R. Kelly's grandma to confirm his identity.

R. Kelly's Grandma:
That's my Robert, always peeing on people.

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

I actually think you have a really good point here.

After the Starfield direct, Xbox Series sales jumped over 1000%. I think it is very clear that Starfield being exclusive is a console seller.

If Starfield didn't move consoles or subs to GP, then I could see Starfield being later released on Playstation. As it stands though, Starfield has proven "great games sell consoles".

A new customer in the Xbox ecosystem is worth more than 1 lost sale on Playstation. Undermining Starfield's exclusivity (which has already proven to be a success) would raise doubt in future customer's purchasing decisions.

 

[Jigsaah]

I've read some say the bolded and it's one of the biggest load of BS I've read about these MS purchases. MS were 100% trying before. But now they've decided that can't compete on a creative level, so they are going with buying the industry.

How can some of you all not see and understand this?

Also, they aren't betting on this deal helping them in the console market. They feel they lost that battle. This is for mobile and possibly cloud. They are trying to dominate other markets Sony isn't in right now. Tencent isn't in console and they make the most money. Microsoft is just tryna get a piece of that action. The console affects are simply a bonus, comparatively speaking.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Prosecutor:
Mr. Chappelle, what would it take to convince you that R. Kelly is guilty?

Dave Chappelle:
Okay, I'd have to see a video of him singing "Pee On You," two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of my buddies and Neal taking notes, and R. Kelly's grandma to confirm his identity.

R. Kelly's Grandma:
That's my Robert, always peeing on people.

People laugh, but that is literally the state of all of this.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I don't like talking about purple site too much but good lord I peaked at their thread and it's a total clusterfuck of Xbox fanboys pretending to be impartial.

The latest arguments on the last couple of pages are just made up nonsense lol

It's funny seeing "Idas" jump in who they all praise, but he/she is WAY LESS enthusiastic about this going through.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I've read some say the bolded and it's one of the biggest load of BS I've read about these MS purchases. MS were 100% trying before. But now they've decided that can't compete on a creative level, so they are going with buying the industry.

How can some of you all not see and understand this?

Yeah that is a load of bullshit.

How can anyone claim MS wasn't on the offense from the start?

They are responsible for pushing the loss-leader concept to it's limits, they spend wildly losing billions and billions of dollars.. they got aggressive about 3rd party exclusives including specifically marketing/content deals for COD.

Just absolute nonsense to claim we are now finally seeing them on the offense.

 

[Heisenberg007]

When it's the same time but no hearing to listen to ...

 

[Dlacy13g]

Why are emails so easily accessible?
Can someone explain how this lawyers get the emails? I tought emails were private

Communication between certain professions will be considered off limits to legal probes... i.e. Medical communications and those between you and your legal council. Work emails or personal home emails are well within the scope of discovery.

 

[adamsapple]

When it's the same time but no hearing to listen to ...

I got you fam

 

[Heisenberg007]

I got you fam

.

 

[Bernardougf]

I have a feeling that if ABK deal fails, they will revert back their plan and look at which games they can release multiplatform from zenimax. maybe starfield but after a year or 6 months.

Major Bethesda games will remain exclusive, as will ABK games, including COD, after a time, in case this deals goes through... all the lies and bullshits have been exposed

Anyone advocating still that CoD will never leave playstation or bethesda major franchises will launch on playstation should just bet a permanent ban at this point or stfu

Obs.: and please dont bring Phils bullshit testimony with vague words like "thats my plan" , and especially not wanting to bind his words to the company when asked directly by the FTC

 

[DeepEnigma]

When it's the same time but no hearing to listen to ...

I know, we actually have to engage in the actual video game threads again.

 

[mckmas8808]

At the end of the day... not matter the outcome, it's pretty clear gaming is kinda fucked, like we'll get a good 4-6 years when all is said and done.

But with all documents and emails and depositions etc it's pretty clear things are gonna get crappy before they get any better and by that time I'll be in my 40s. Think I'll be OK with giving up the Controller then.

It's going to get nasty and whatever precedent is set here (most likely that nothing is going to stop Microsoft from doing what they want and be regulated) is going to have lasting effects on the industry.

Either studios are just going to die because they can't sell with stricter rules or Microsoft are just going to outspend their competitors from the market to create essentially a stranglehold (which they've confirmed is their goal)..

Honestly I'm hating Microsoft for starting this shit, they didn't need to be absolutely cocks and go overboard. nothing good comes from this, once precedent is set it's extremely difficult to undo

The real blame goes to any and all governments that allowed this though. I can't blame MS for wanting to make all the profit, even if it means they blow up the strength of the video game's market. They don't care about the industry, they just want to dominate.

This is the same US government that allowed Bernie Madoff to steal 40+ Billion from people and the SEC just turned their backs and acted as if nothing was happening.

 

[X-Wing]

I know, we actually have to engage in the actual video game threads again.

War is harder to fight when warriors are scattered across several territories. We must organise.

 

[ToadMan]

oh god, will bobby decide? if it were for him he would be the first to come out but if we want to believe his testimony then the shareholders will decide and they will have to do it before the verdict (unless the judge completely rushes the whole process)

I’m really not sure.

With AT&T acquiring DirecTV they extended twice and didn’t take a shareholder vote as far as I can tell.

So I think the ATVI board can probably decide without consulting shareholders if they want.

It seems to me it’s already too late for a shareholder vote anyway - so either Bobby pulls out on July 18 or they extend without consulting shareholders.

Bobby is weighing up how much he could be worth vs how much MS is going to pay in the existing deal. I think it’s fairly clear that ATVI is worth more as an acquisition target today than the agreement they made with MS in 2021/2022.

What would shareholders want? Bank the $95, or plough on independently in hopes of “organic” share price growth north of $95 or to court another acquirer? What does Bobby want and is it the same?

Will Bobby go for the cash now or terminate the deal, take $3bn and see if the shares go north of $95 - and can this option be done diplomatically to avoid pissing off MS? Bear in mind ATVI would be an independent video game publisher again, and MS is a major player - basically tied for the lead if not leader overall - in the largest videogame market in the world.

It’s not a clear cut decision…

 

[NickFire]

but he/she is WAY LESS enthusiastic about this going through.

This is one of those situations where everyone knows claiming victory before the decision might be crow dinner in a few days. It's kind of a mind screw in some ways.

For example, we have a judge in Northern California (pro tech) with a son who works for a party. Sounds great for MS. But she was appointed by Biden, UK blocked on cloud grounds, and both EU and Canada had concerns over cloud. That fact pattern does not exactly scream "let the corporation close before federal agency does full review."

Another example is that the primary focus of many who are in or follow the industry, seems to mean nothing to the people who make the decisions. But the part that most people saw as an afterthought now seems to be the make or break issue for the people in charge.

One thing is for certain though. Specifically, I can't be the only person who thinks "F the cloud", but if that cloud keeps me a step away from having to buy hardware or a subscription to play Duty, then bring on the thunderstorms!

 

[mckmas8808]

CMA thanks the judge for that comment about consoles disappearing.

I'm so confused as to why the judge is convinced that consoles will be disappearing though. What has she heard over the last week that leads her to believe this?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm so confused as to why the judge is convinced that consoles will be disappearing though. What has she heard over the last week that leads her to believe this?

CMA and the EC were convinced of the cloud future as well as Canada and NZ/AUS. Seems there are internal documents and projections to show their "end game" that a blind man can see, but cognitive dissonance of fan bases keep pushing back on that when people bring it up, as these companies race to the all digital future death by 1,000 cuts and gamer attrition.

 

[IntentionalPun]

This is one of those situations where everyone knows claiming victory before the decision might be crow dinner in a few days. It's kind of a mind screw in some ways.

For example, we have a judge in Northern California (pro tech) with a son who works for a party. Sounds great for MS. But she was appointed by Biden, UK blocked on cloud grounds, and both EU and Canada had concerns over cloud. That fact pattern does not exactly scream "let the corporation close before federal agency does full review."

Another example is that the primary focus of many who are in or follow the industry, seems to mean nothing to the people who make the decisions. But the part that most people saw as an afterthought now seems to be the make or break issue for the people in charge.

One thing is for certain though. Specifically, I can't be the only person who thinks "F the cloud", but if that cloud keeps me a step away from having to buy hardware or a subscription to play Duty, then bring on the thunderstorms!

I think people are making too much out of the conflict of interest thing.

If anything it can influence the judge to be extra careful about their ruling seeming impartial.

She'll have incredibly clear reasoning for her decision laid out either way.

But yeah it's a toss up, anyone claiming otherwise is just wishing for an outcome (or sometimes it's pessimism.)

 

[mckmas8808]

CMA and the EC were convinced of the cloud future as well as Canada and NZ/AUS. Seems there are internal documents and projections to show their "end game" that a blind man can see, but cognitive dissonance of fan bases keep pushing back on when people bring it up, as these companies race to the all digital future death by 1,000 cuts and gamer attrition.

I read your post 4 times and I'm still lost. So you're saying it's the gamers that will make the transition to cloud-only gaming go slower? Because it seems to me that it's extremely clear that the market has stated physical consoles are here to stay and it's the cloud that's in trouble.

 

[bender]

I'm so confused as to why the judge is convinced that consoles will be disappearing though. What has she heard over the last week that leads her to believe this?

WE DONT HAVE DVDS ANYMORE

 

[TrueGrime]

Major Bethesda games will remain exclusive, as will ABK games, including COD, after a time, in case this deals goes through... all the lies and bullshits have been exposed

Anyone advocating still that CoD will never leave playstation or bethesda major franchises will launch on playstation should just bet a permanent ban at this point or stfu

Obs.: and please dont bring Phils bullshit testimony with vague words like "thats my plan" , and especially not wanting to bind his words to the company when asked directly by the FTC

You think someone should bet a ban because there's a portion of users that think all games will be exclusive?

From a business perspective, it really doesn't make fucking sense and that's what Microsoft has been saying. Do you really think they want to limit CoD to just Xbox and PC in the future? Why sign deals with competitors and other companies to put the fucking game on other platforms if they're trying to "be sneaky" and keep it exclusive anyway?

It makes a lot of sense than Microsoft keep multiplayer games multiplat. Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout Online, Minecraft. In the case of AB, CoD, Diablo, Overwatch... all these multiplayer games with microtransactions and GaaS will continue to feed the beast, while the big single player games become exclusive to Xbox and PC and move both consoles and gamepass subs.

 

[Ar¢tos]

I got you fam

Pftt
This is much more better :

 

[DeepEnigma]

I read your post 4 times and I'm still lost. So you're saying it's the gamers that will make the transition to cloud-only gaming go slower? Because it seems to me that it's extremely clear that the market has stated physical consoles are here to stay and it's the cloud that's in trouble.

I am saying that 2013 "always online" was a foretelling. That the decade's long push of the "Power of the Cloud™" are not by accident. That sub gaming services and pushing games to be digital are not by accident. That offering digital console as an option now, is not by accident. That releasing collector's editions with digital codes and some upcoming games being digital only (at the moment) are not by accident. That both companies investing heavily into cloud based gaming (even if they sell it as an "option" now) is not by accident.

Their dream "end game" is to not have to invest R&D into loss leading boxes, and have everyone connected to the revenue stream cloud. The end game is cloud gaming.

The regulators and judge have seen their internal plans/projections.

Death by 1,000 cuts. Like paid online and horse armor.

 

[Bernoulli]

No decision today?

 

[mckmas8808]

I am saying that 2013 "always online" was a foretelling. That the decade's long push of the "Power of the Cloud™" are not by accident. That sub gaming services and pushing games to be digital are not by accident. That offering digital console as an option now, is not by accident. That releasing collector's editions with digital codes and some upcoming games being digital only (at the moment) are not by accident. That both companies investing heavily into cloud based gaming (even if they sell it as an "option" now) is not by accident.

Their dream "end game" is to not have to invest R&D into loss leading boxes, and have everyone connected to the revenue stream cloud. The end game is cloud gaming.

The regulators and judge have seen their internal plans/projections.

Gotcha. I honestly can't understand for the life of me why "Sony" would want this to be their end game. If it is, Sony is COOKED! They can't survive without creating something that plays on their hardware. They just aren't great at services. And they are just okay with software (this is different from games).

Their specialty is hardware and Ken Kutargi would be rolling over in his grave if he ever thought Sony wanted to go cloud gaming only.

 

[NickFire]

I think people are making too much out of the conflict of interest thing.

Not my intent at all. Just pointing out there are external factors that could be looked at by each side as to why they have a favorable / unfavorable forum.

 

[Astray]

I have a question- How the fuck FTC are able to access private emails of Sony and MS? Government hacking emails or something or MS or Sony are using Gmails like a moron rather than there own services for emails?

Its crazy these bitches can access emails like they nothing. Im concerned about my emails and privacy now lol

Discovery process, which is normal in every court in the world.

In this case, FTC/Microsoft ask for court's permission for subpoenas to be filed to lawfully extract evidence they require to make their cases. They also are required to make whatever evidence they get available for the other party.

 

[ToadMan]

I'm so confused as to why the judge is convinced that consoles will be disappearing though. What has she heard over the last week that leads her to believe this?

I think that was analogical thinking. She compared buying games vs GP to Prime digital purchase and Netflix.

No one made it clear that where gaming differs is in response times - especially for cloud based delivery.

So I think she went away with the idea consoles are like DVD players - basically dead and everyone will migrate to digital delivery.

And she could be right in that - technology could develop to the point there is little or no qualitative difference in the experience through the cloud.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Gotcha. I honestly can't understand for the life of me why "Sony" would want this to be their end game. If it is, Sony is COOKED! They can't survive without creating something that plays on their hardware. They just aren't great at services. And they are just okay with software (this is different from games).

Their specialty is hardware and Ken Kutargi would be rolling over in his grave if he ever thought Sony wanted to go cloud gaming only.

Besides Nintendo, they would be the last to do it. Then again, Nintendo does have more "cloud is the only way to play" full priced games on their system.

 

[93xfan]

I've read some say the bolded and it's one of the biggest load of BS I've read about these MS purchases. MS were 100% trying before. But now they've decided that can't compete on a creative level, so they are going with buying the industry.

How can some of you all not see and understand this?

Some of you are worried Sony can no longer dominate.

MS staying in the console space will be a big win for BC, forwards compatibility, and competition.

I’ll be interested to see what exclusive CoD skins and modes will do for Xbox now that Sony won’t have that anymore.

 

[GrayDock]

I wonder if, with all those e-mails/docs/spreadsheets/whatever becoming public, with data/information that CMA and all other regulators didn't have prior access, they can change their decisions. I can see, if MS can get a decision review by CAT, CMA could add the console SLC again...

 

[NickFire]

Gotcha. I honestly can't understand for the life of me why "Sony" would want this to be their end game. If it is, Sony is COOKED! They can't survive without creating something that plays on their hardware. They just aren't great at services. And they are just okay with software (this is different from games).

Their specialty is hardware and Ken Kutargi would be rolling over in his grave if he ever thought Sony wanted to go cloud gaming only.

I think the entire console focused part of the industry could be cooked if this happens. Opinion may change if telecommunications and streaming technology advance enough. But short of that, taking away performance and graphics due to bandwidth issues will send a lot of people looking for new things to do with their time IMO. And even small pipe bursts can lead to a lot of damage.

 

[mckmas8808]

I think that was analogical thinking. She compared buying games vs GP to Prime digital purchase and Netflix.

No one made it clear that where gaming differs is in response times - especially for cloud based delivery.

So I think she went away with the idea consoles are like DVD players - basically dead and everyone will migrate to digital delivery.

And she could be right in that - technology could develop to the point there is little or no qualitative difference in the experience through the cloud.

I just can't see how she could be right. At least not for at least the next 10 years (because lets be honest, none of us know what will happen tech wise more than 10 years from now). There's literally no evidence to suggest consumers world wide are ready to "give up" hardware gaming.

Hell......PC gaming has re-emerged from the grave with the help of Valve creating Steam and PCs being easier to build than ever before.

Besides Nintendo, they would be the last to do it. Then again, Nintendo does have more "cloud is the only way to play" full priced games on their system.

So our human history with videogames suggest that every company that has focused on making consoles and cares about the console business has found a great way to succeed and has lead in the industry over the last 35 years. Yet it's the one company that wants to go away from hardware, that's always in "last place". Even MS said they lost the console war. They lost it with the OG Xbox and the X360 too.

So why would both Sony and Nintendo follow the lead of the loser of 3 straight console generations?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Some of you are worried Sony can no longer dominate.

We worry that IPs tht have been the legacy of our hobby and that have been available on every system possible like doom, fallout, the elder scrolls, call of duty, overwatch, diablo, etc will be foreclosed to everyone but those who buy into one particular ecosystem, thus punishing gamer choice.

We worry that subscriptions are not economically viable and such it will push premium gaming into what mobile gaming has become. We like how things are, and we all would prefer if Microsoft was interested in nurturing talent and creating masterful games, instead of trying to corner the market with the weight of their wallet.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So our human history with videogames suggest that every company that has focused on making consoles and cares about the console business has found a great way to succeed and has lead in the industry over the last 35 years. Yet it's the one company that wants to go away from hardware, that's always in "last place". Even MS said they lost the console war. They lost it with the OG Xbox and the X360 too.

So why would both Sony and Nintendo follow the lead of the loser of 3 straight console generations?

Because people are conditioned based on "convenience." And as us gaming dinosaurs get older and die off, the gen z's and ones after them grow up with instant access to digital goods. Some platform makers will hold out longer than others, but the writing is sadly on the wall.

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

I read your post 4 times and I'm still lost. So you're saying it's the gamers that will make the transition to cloud-only gaming go slower? Because it seems to me that it's extremely clear that the market has stated physical consoles are here to stay and it's the cloud that's in trouble.

Not too long ago, at the start of the Xbox One generation, the general consumer sentiment was physical over digital. A decade later and it seems digital is more prominent than physical.

It's not so far fetched to believe sentiment around cloud gaming will change over time.

 

[mckmas8808]

Not too long ago, at the start of the Xbox One generation, the general consumer sentiment was physical over digital. A decade later and it seems digital is more prominent than physical.

It's not so far fetched to believe sentiment around cloud gaming will change over time.

Guys..........come on man. Yall are better than this. Yall know good and darn well there's an ocean's level of difference between cloud gaming and downloading a game to your SSD. And even with that difference physical game sells for many games are still 50%-50%. That's not the mover and shaker that you seem to think it is.

Look at Nintendo for instance. Their games chart on NPD and none of their digital downloads are counted. Which means there's ALOT of people still buying physical games.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Not my intent at all. Just pointing out there are external factors that could be looked at by each side as to why they have a favorable / unfavorable forum.

Yeah I wasn't accusing you of that BTW, more just adding to what you were saying.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Guys..........come on man. Yall are better than this. Yall know good and darn well there's an ocean's level of difference between cloud gaming and downloading a game to your SSD. And even with that difference physical game sells for many games are still 50%-50%. That's not the mover and shaker that you seem to think it is.

Look at Nintendo for instance. Their games chart on NPD and none of their digital downloads are counted. Which means there's ALOT of people still buying physical games.

We do know this. We don't like it.

But these companies will push this, because they then control the keys to the kingdom. 100%. Far less profit sharing with advertisers, delivery mediums, distribution, logistics, etc., etc..

The WEF quote that all these mega corps and government leaders are a part of, was not a "thought experiment™"

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

Guys..........come on man. Yall are better than this. Yall know good and darn well there's an ocean's level of difference between cloud gaming and downloading a game to your SSD. And even with that difference physical game sells for many games are still 50%-50%. That's not the mover and shaker that you seem to think it is.

Look at Nintendo for instance. Their games chart on NPD and none of their digital downloads are counted. Which means there's ALOT of people still buying physical games.

All I'm saying is that cloud could overtake consoles. I don't believe in a cloud only future, but cloud could become more mainstream than dedicated consoles.

 

[93xfan]

We worry that IPs tht have been the legacy of our hobby and that have been available on every system possible like doom, fallout, the elder scrolls, call of duty, overwatch, diablo, etc will be foreclosed to everyone but those who buy into one particular ecosystem, thus punishing gamer choice.

We worry that subscriptions are not economically viable and such it will push premium gaming into what mobile gaming has become. We like how things are, and we all would prefer if Microsoft was interested in nurturing talent and creating masterful games, instead of trying to corner the market with the weight of their wallet.

Fair enough.

I’m worried that assholes like Jim Ryan will continue to shit on old games, that some PS5 and many PS4 games will require a patch to work on PS6.

I don’t like cloud saves behind a paywall, I don’t like how frugal they are about servers.

Maybe now Sony can listen to their dedicated base a bit more. How about some Socom? How about reviving amazing classics like Jumping Flash and Jet Moto? Don’t just make mostly AAA games and also respect your legacy.

 

[DeepEnigma]

All I'm saying is that cloud could overtake consoles. I don't believe in a cloud only future, but cloud could become more mainstream than dedicated consoles.

Hell, young people are no longer gaming on consoles like they once used to. By far those numbers are down. They are glued to the TikTok cloud, streamers, mobile and the like. All instant dopamine gratification.

 

[mckmas8808]

We do know this. We don't like it.

But these companies will push this, because they then control the keys to the kingdom. 100%. Far less profit sharing with advertisers, delivery mediums, distribution, logistics, etc., etc..

The WEF quote that all these mega corps and government leaders are a part of, was not a "thought experiment™"

Do they control the keys to the kingdom 100%. BudLight found out that this is not the case over the last few months. And so did MS in 2013. Consumers do have power. We just can't roll over like babies when they decide to run us over.

Hell, young people are no longer gaming on consoles like they once used to. By far those numbers are down. They are glued to the TikTok cloud, streamers, mobile and the like. All instant dopamine gratification.

Good thing us older people over the age 35 are still gaming and spending BIG money on it. I'd like to think the businesses will go where the money is first and foremost.

 

[Sanepar]

After the Starfield direct, Xbox Series sales jumped over 1000%. I think it is very clear that Starfield being exclusive is a console seller.

If Starfield didn't move consoles or subs to GP, then I could see Starfield being later released on Playstation. As it stands though, Starfield has proven "great games sell consoles".

A new customer in the Xbox ecosystem is worth more than 1 lost sale on Playstation. Undermining Starfield's exclusivity (which has already proven to be a success) would raise doubt in future customer's purchasing decisions.

September NPD: ps5>switch>xbox let's bet?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Do they control the keys to the kingdom 100%. BudLight found out that this is not the case over the last few months. And so did MS in 2013. Consumers do have power. We just can't roll over like babies when they decide to run us over.

Apples to oranges. But MS found out as well trying to go all in too soon in 2013.

Hence why it's now done through attrition. The new generations and their habits will far outweigh us in 15 years time.

Good thing us older people over the age 35 are still gaming and spending BIG money on it. I'd like to think the businesses will go where the money is first and foremost.

They are, the MTX/Mobile whales.

 

[Solidus_T]

We worry that IPs tht have been the legacy of our hobby and that have been available on every system possible like doom, fallout, the elder scrolls, call of duty, overwatch, diablo, etc will be foreclosed to everyone but those who buy into one particular ecosystem, thus punishing gamer choice.

We worry that subscriptions are not economically viable and such it will push premium gaming into what mobile gaming has become. We like how things are, and we all would prefer if Microsoft was interested in nurturing talent and creating masterful games, instead of trying to corner the market with the weight of their wallet.

This guy speaks for gamers!