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Aliens and UFOs
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Jerm411
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I posted an innocuous joke in the thread during the hearing and got permanently threadbanned for “drive by trolling” or something.But we all need to know.
After that, I reported a post that was actually trolling and said “now this is trolling” lol…caught a 3 day for abuse of reporting.
Fools idol
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I'm shocked that so many of you guys believe this crock.
His body language is shifty as fuck, guy is clearly full of shit to me.
Reminsd me of this :
His body language is shifty as fuck, guy is clearly full of shit to me.
Reminsd me of this :
AcrosstheSea
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I believe him because he provided evidence to the Inspector General. Many other high ranking officials have come forward behind closed doors saying the same things he's saying. The inspector general found his claims credible and urgent. How a person looks means shit to me if that's how he always looks when he talks. Look how Chuck Schumer responded to the claims with his bill.
Being skeptical is fine but I'm not gonna ignore everything going on around it. There's a lot of sober and high qualified people saying similar things.
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AcrosstheSea
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Yeah, Greer I don't necessarily buy. He just comes off as slimy but I won't stand for degrading David Grusch.
Crayon
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No reason to doubt grusch at this point other than some sensible skepticism. He has a good record and hasn't... you know... charged hundreds of people to go on alien psychic contact tours with him lol.
AcrosstheSea
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Yeah the reality is he isn't just spouting shit without evidence. He turned his evidence in and has said numerous times during the hearing that he would give any of them the info they need after the hearing.
The question is really when will we find out the genuine details? When will we get proper disclosure? Would they allow it? Until that happens people will inevitably be skeptical because this is such an incredible and wild thing. I have doubts that people would believe even after seeing evidence. People are just distrusting these days.
Either way we just have to wait this out. It's getting the attention and a lot of this has bipartisan support and they truly seem to want to inform the American people. So we will see.
Solarstrike
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Don't really need to. He played his role..
Jerm411
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I can see stuff start to leak from these sessions in the SCIFs…also could see more whistleblowers come forward.
Hell listen to any interview with Burchett…he’s fed up lol. He might start leaking stuff himself….
rob305
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I wish they would have asked some questions to cross reference lazar stuff. Some interesting questions would have been if he has any knowledge of objects being excavated in archaeological dig sites or regarding the propulsion system, anything regarding the propulsion systems or element 115
AcrosstheSea
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I would not doubt one second that Garry Nolan is analyzing some of this stuff right now.
Crayon
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Damn I remember when people were so disatified with the report two years ago. I was thrilled by it. I remember telling my wife that they finally admitted something was going on and it would only be like 10 years till they cop to the rest. She thought I was joking but I really thought that was a reasonable timeline to pry out the truth kicking and screaming. It's actually moving along better/faster than I thought.
Of course some people are going to stay irrationally skeptical but they are in the minority. At this point most anyone can see that something fishy is going on whether it's aliens of the most ill-advised disinfo campaign in history. Most of the self-styled skeptics are only waiting for the official story to change, anyhow. They don't really need evidence. Just permission.
AcrosstheSea
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The thing is I don't really get why the government would be manufacturing this. It makes them look VERY bad.
Why wouldn't witnesses come forward in the public? That strikes me as fear. Why would David Grusch imply people were possibly hurt or killed over this? Why would he imply the government has covered this up for decades?
It doesn't really paint a rosy picture of the government.
If anything that makes it feel more credible.
Crayon
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I'll say for me, at this point, a disinfo campaign would be weirder than aliens. In fact, unless something else is not coming to mind at the moment, aliens is like the least weird explanation here. An elaborate ruse is weirder. Foreign powers or ourselves having super advanced technology is weirder. Aliens might be the most interesting, but not the most weird.
Big caveat to that is that we think of aliens as visitors much like ourselves. I think the truth could be way, way stranger than that.
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Wheeljack539
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Politicians are in the pocket by their donors and it's likely a number of them are involved or part of the military industrial complex (which Eisenhower warned us about in his outgoing speech). They are the ones that have the goods and would not want this stuff to get out. The implication alone could bring down a lot of people so it's believable that the whistleblowers are being threatened/strong-armed. That the Pentagon does not want to play ball even with Congress wanting them too should also be seen as a major red flag.
Bartski
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That's not even necessary. The sheer existence of a far more advanced extraterrestrial civilization on earth means an end to all religions as we know it. And about damn time.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
You can't be serious. The faithful will find a way to explain it. Existential dread is wild.
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Raonak
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Science and evolution should have put an end to all religions.
Religion won't ever die because faith has nothing to do with proof.
IlGialloMondadori
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that's not really what this is, at all.
Ah, the body language expert has entered the chat, comparing Grusch, testifying under oath and providing everything he has to congress and the Inspector General, to Greer. Things are going well here, I see.
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sono
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That is the Biggie. And IF it is the reality the longer it is kept hidden the worse it will be for government.. ticking time bomb. Unfortunately the evidence at the hearing seems to point to this as being part of the reality
Fools idol
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He suggested UFOs come from another dimension and were covered up by Mussolini and the Vatican. This is lunatic stuff.
If UFOs are real, I have no idea, we will never find out for certain most likely, but people who advocate for the existence of global Vatican conspiracies tend to be non-credible. I would bet my last penny this guy is full of shit and gets jailed for bullshitting under oath eventually.
If UFOs are real, I have no idea, we will never find out for certain most likely, but people who advocate for the existence of global Vatican conspiracies tend to be non-credible. I would bet my last penny this guy is full of shit and gets jailed for bullshitting under oath eventually.
IlGialloMondadori
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I agree on the vatican stuff. It's circles around from insane straight to dumb, but we'll see what he provided in terms of evidence.
This. I dont even think he's lying but he aint seen shit. Whats the point of this
And why do they keep goin on with the charade that these alien guys need legal protections to reveal direct answers. Nobody is arresting them for what they reveal. Just say it
AcrosstheSea
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Ross breaks EVERYTHING down.
Two things :
1. Vatican - this story comes from a classified document that the US possessed ( I'm pretty sure). He didnt just grab this from a tabloid. The vatican has been a supporter of the idea that alien life could be out there for a reason....
2. Religion - I see a lot of people railing on religion but the reality is if the rumors that we were created by this alien species is true ( which has been suggested a lot by certain people) then that means we were created by a higher power and implies intelligent design. That is infinitely closer to many religions than what atheists believe which is we were created by nothing and just evolved over the years naturally without any intelligent design.
The truth is everyone and I mean religious or not should take a step back and realize there's much to life that we don't know. We are in a cave seeing shadows and all we know are those shadows cut off from the real world.
Two things :
1. Vatican - this story comes from a classified document that the US possessed ( I'm pretty sure). He didnt just grab this from a tabloid. The vatican has been a supporter of the idea that alien life could be out there for a reason....
2. Religion - I see a lot of people railing on religion but the reality is if the rumors that we were created by this alien species is true ( which has been suggested a lot by certain people) then that means we were created by a higher power and implies intelligent design. That is infinitely closer to many religions than what atheists believe which is we were created by nothing and just evolved over the years naturally without any intelligent design.
The truth is everyone and I mean religious or not should take a step back and realize there's much to life that we don't know. We are in a cave seeing shadows and all we know are those shadows cut off from the real world.
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RJMacready73
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Tbh I was disappointed, nothing new was revealed that wasn't already in the public domain, no actual evidence was shown just the same old testimonies we've heard a million times and to the rest of the world it means shit that this was all done in front of a bunch of US politicians (we all know how well thought off they are in the wider world) yeah it's a step but a step where? Sounds to me all the "good" stuff will simply remain behind closed doors and never revealed to the public, so this could all be the biggest disinformation phy-ops campaign or if the US mil has actual craft they're sure as shit not gonna confirm to the Chinese or Russians that they have them let alone actually show them to the public.
I give it a raised eyebrow with a low meh rating, was expecting diddies but all we got was jumper tit
I give it a raised eyebrow with a low meh rating, was expecting diddies but all we got was jumper tit
AcrosstheSea
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This was to bring more awareness to the public and to get it on record and under oath. It's the first of many hearings. This is only the beginning.
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Fools idol
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it doesn't matter the credibility of journalists who 'break it down' if the credibility of the original sauce is bullshit.
I know this guy is a supposedly well experienced military bro... doesn't necesarily mean he is not capable of coming up with some bullshit story.
For all we know he has terminal cancer and decided to spend the last of his days trolling the fuck out of everyone. If he's going to die of cancer or something he isn't exactly going to give a shit about oaths, laws and punishments.
The world is a deceiving place full of untrustworthy people. The only thing that matters here is hardcore, physical evidence. To which, he has provided 0. Zero. Kaput. Just second hand stories from other military bros.
AcrosstheSea
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Again... He's not just whipping this up randomly. He has documents, witnesses, and evidence of locations provided to the inspector general. We gotta stop acting like it's just some random dude saying bruh I heard a crazy story. The witnesses are people with first hand knowledge and documents are classified documents. The information was provided and they can investigate into those claims. The inspector general deemed them credible and urgent.
If this is a big lie it's a big lie being perpetrated by many government officials who are scared to publicly testify but testified under oath behind closed doors.
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SirKicksalot
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Grusch is a sperg. It worries me that so many people interpret his behaviour as "normal dude acting shifty". What does it say about them?!
haxan7
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There should be more hearings and more info coming out but we have to wait and see. It could be 6+ months until the next hearing.
CrankyJay™
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Yep, they're priming us for contact.
AcrosstheSea
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You may be right. Garry Nolan has to be involved in this process. He talked about being visited by government figures a while back regarding people being messed up due to contact with UAPs and he was asked to run tests.
I think since then it seems he's been on the in on this. He seems absolutely positive of alien life being here, he seems to know people reverse engineering craft and he said he's been in contact with the Vatican about this. Which is absolutely wild. It sounds like the government is trying to prepare everyone for this if true.
That's what a lot of people like Lue Elizondo has been implying. They are pretty sure it isn't from any foreign adversary because they have evidence of these vehicles they are seeing being around for all of human history.
Wheeljack539
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If they exist would you be disappointed if any alien species has a religion of some sort?
IIRC the Vatican did make a statement in the 90s about ET life and that it would not change anything.
Maiden Voyage
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Keep the details coming. I want to see the photos.
More than half of the UFOs reported to the US army in the 50's/60's were due to the Lockheed U-2 (The first models had a metallic color). The CIA wanted the existence of the plane to stay a secret and thus asked the army to let the people believe it was an UFO.
Shadowplay1979
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If they were all scientologists
AcrosstheSea
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Yeah I said something similar earlier. Vatican apparently has known about this for a long time and has been very open to it ( probably because of that)
Having said that I also made the point that -
Lets say aliens created us. Isn't that closer to religion than we all just came from nothing and then a big bang happened? Intelligent design, a higher power...they are more in tune to religion than atheism.
So I think the broad elements of religion would remain.
Now if we went down the alien rabbit hole -
There's also rumors that the aliens believe in a realm of consciousness. That our bodies are just receivers. Which sounds very similar to a soul.
Moral of the story. Everyone should keep an open mind I don't think things are clear cut at all just because aliens may pop up.
Romulus
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More than half of the UFOs reported to the US army in the 50's/60's were due to the Lockheed U-2 (The first models had a metallic color). The CIA wanted the existence of the plane to stay a secret and thus asked the army to let the people believe it was an UFO.
I can believe that, but I think it's very different from the object I brought up that's being seen for 60 years. Not only that, they weren't flying U2s at US Fighters like the object Graves described. That's the difference in black ops projects, they stayed away, these things don't.
Graves mentioned they had to include UAP safety in their preflight briefings because they were having encounters "every day for a couple of years."
That's the opposite of the behavior from U2, B2, or the nighthawk pilots.
Suddenly out of nowhere black ops pilots decide to fuck with US Fighters and play chicken? Makes no sense.
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Toons
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Science and religion aren't even usually trying to explain the same things. They overlap and agree on plenty.
As for the origin of life itself, that delves deeply into theory for obvious reasons, which is where you can go either way. But even then, evidence of one doesn't eliminate the existence of the other. They arent mutually exclusive in that way.
AcrosstheSea
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It's hard to believe project blue book at all. There's been a lot of skepticism revolving it over the years from people on it being UFO debunkers to it obviously being a government lead thing ( why would the government admit to UFOs if they have UFOs?).More than half of the UFOs reported to the US army in the 50's/60's were due to the Lockheed U-2 (The first models had a metallic color). The CIA wanted the existence of the plane to stay a secret and thus asked the army to let the people believe it was an UFO.
J. Allen Hynek talked a lot about his issues with it over time.
Crayon
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Try me first. I this Grusch is skech because he speaks unaturally. But I think Elizondo is sketch because he speaks too well. Almost like relying 100% on my intuition is what's really sketch.
sono
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In addition to the videos already published the USA government?
AcrosstheSea
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This is the big one. They wouldn't and if a project like that is being tested they would be warned of it. They wouldn't have near misses that put people's lives in danger. Which leads to either foreign adversaries or ....NHI.
Maiden Voyage
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Yes. If it’s a high resolution Close up. The vids released so far are good but if there’s more, why not?
Additionally, I want to see the biologics they found.
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