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Helldivers II broke 250k+ CCU on Steam: first PlayStation PC release to do so

mckmas8808

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kazuyamishima said:
A lot of people were adamant it would reach 100k.

On a Thursday, it reached 255k. It’s safe to say it will reach 300k+ on Steam this coming weekend.

More and more, I’m realising that Sony overpaid big time for Bungie, they could get smaller Studios like Arrowhead and get very good results with their GaaS initiative.
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It's possible they overpaid for Bungie. 100% possible, but we won't know that until Marathon is released to be honest. Gotta give them time. Does Sony own the Helldivers IP? Or does it belong to Arrowhead?
 
Gamer_By_Proxy

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DenchDeckard got banned? Having that guy use the laugh or triggered emoji is how I knew I was on point. Now how will I know?

I've had too many Helldivers 2 disconnects. I try playing it every night. But I've been sitting at level 9 for 3 nights in a row now cause after I disconnect a few times I switch to some other game.
Really hope they fix it up soon. I love what I can play of it.
 
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mckmas8808

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Killjoy-NL said:
That's why people need to calm down before knee-jerking to the idea of more GaaS output from Sony.
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It was the 60%-40% split that pisses me off about Sony's GAAS push. No way should it EVER be 60% of their software budget.
 
Killjoy-NL

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mckmas8808 said:
It was the 60%-40% split that pisses me off about Sony's GAAS push. No way should it EVER be 60% of their software budget.
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I take it a lot has to do with aqcuisitions and founding new studios, or something like that?

I don't think we can make much sense out of just the 60/40 split.
 
Men_in_Boxes

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
mckmas8808 said:
It was the 60%-40% split that pisses me off about Sony's GAAS push. No way should it EVER be 60% of their software budget.
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It makes sense when you realize ~60% of the overall market is GAAS and that part of the market is still growing. The traditional games market has plateaued.
 
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SlimySnake said:
I am not going to celebrate it for a variety of reasons:
1) Halo Infinite had a 250k CCU as well. Doesnt mean much especially after seeing MS's announcement yesterday. Porting to PC is lost console sales and sales on their own digital platform where they get to keep 100% of the cut.
2) GaaS is very finicky. Anthem, Suicide Squad, Avengers all flopped for a variety of reasons, but above all they were a gigantic waste of time for these single player focused studios.
3) I actually liked the gameplay loop in avengers and anthem, and it seems suicide squad is decent in that department too. But people shied away despite the studio pedigree. Point is you cant ever predict what goes viral so why bother investing your best talent at it if its a roll of dice?
4) This success might cause them to revive Factions and any other gaas games they had cancelled. And fuck that. i dont want anymore gaas titles from Sony.

I am happier for the studio who deserve the success but Sony will take all the wrong lessons from this, double down on PC ports, double down on GaaS, and double down day one PC releases.
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Sony will double down on PC ports and gaas because that's the only way to sustain growth and have the financial stability to invest *also* in the games you personally like.
A world where they only develop AAA single player games that cost 300 millions, take 5-6 years to be developed, are restricted exclusively to a console platform that can only hope to reach the same audience of the previous console is not sustainable.
The CFO guy (soon to be SIE's next interim CEO) spelled it out clearly the other day and it's pointless to put the head under the sand.
Sony's strategy, if it works, is perfectly balanced. Success of their initiative is very important to avoid worse consequences aka further increase of software prices, full multiplatform strategy like Microsoft, risky and costly single player projects being canceled and unprofitable studios being shut down.
 
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mckmas8808

mckmas8808

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SlimySnake said:
I am not going to celebrate it for a variety of reasons:
1) Halo Infinite had a 250k CCU as well. Doesnt mean much especially after seeing MS's announcement yesterday. Porting to PC is lost console sales and sales on their own digital platform where they get to keep 100% of the cut.
2) GaaS is very finicky. Anthem, Suicide Squad, Avengers all flopped for a variety of reasons, but above all they were a gigantic waste of time for these single player focused studios.
3) I actually liked the gameplay loop in avengers and anthem, and it seems suicide squad is decent in that department too. But people shied away despite the studio pedigree. Point is you cant ever predict what goes viral so why bother investing your best talent at it if its a roll of dice?
4) This success might cause them to revive Factions and any other gaas games they had cancelled. And fuck that. i dont want anymore gaas titles from Sony.

I am happier for the studio who deserve the success but Sony will take all the wrong lessons from this, double down on PC ports, double down on GaaS, and double down day one PC releases.
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I think you are being too aggressive here. A smart Sony would realize that what you said is right......and should steer them clear of going overboard with too many GAAS games. Concord and Fairgames is next. How many more GAAS games do they need?

- GT7
- Helldivers 2
- MLB The Show
- Concord
- FairGames
- Destiny
- Marathon
- Horizon MMO


I mean GEEZ........do they need more than this? 3 or hits, 4 haven't come out yet, and one was a hit that they are trying to turn around. But how are their 8 not enough?

Killjoy-NL said:
I take it a lot has to do with aqcuisitions and founding new studios, or something like that?

I don't think we can make much sense out of just the 60/40 split.
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Oh that's a great point! That makes sense as to why it went from 12% of the budget to 60%. I'm assuming it may fall back to 40%-50% after the year 2026.

Beechos said:
So is this considered a success for them? If it is then gaas will prob get doubled downed.
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They've already quadrupled down on GAAS games.
 
Crispy Gamer

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Like it or not but EVERY gaas game coming out of playstation studios will have bungie's stamp of approval whatever that entails. If they advised a premiere studio as big as Naughty Dog then of course they consulted with Arrowhead because Sony wants to make sure every first party gaas game goes through a process which includes Bungie, it's actually smart because they aren't experts in this area.
 
Gudji

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yurinka said:
Today Helldivers 2 passed Payday 2 and Team Fortress 2. Pretty likely this weeked Halo Infinite F2P MP will fall too.

These are the all time Steam CCU peak for the Sony PS Studios games released on PC:
  1. Helldivers II 255,189
  2. God of War: 73,529
  3. Spider-Man Remastered: 66,436
  4. Horizon Zero Dawn: 56,557
  5. TLOU Part I: 36,496
  6. Days Gone: 27,450
  7. Spider-Man Miles Morales: 13,539
  8. Uncharted collection: 10,851
  9. Ratchet Rift Apart: 8,757
  10. Detroit: 8,222
  11. Helldivers 1: 6,744
  12. Death Stranding: 6,093
  13. Guns Up!: 2,277
  14. Journey: 1,757
  15. Predator Hunting Grounds: 1,504
  16. Beyond Two Souls: 1,346
  17. Heavy Rain: 747
  18. Sackboy: 610
  19. Everybody's Gone to the Rapture: 191
Some extra coop-ish shooters plus Starfield as reference:
  • PUBG 3,257,248 (F2P)
  • Counter-Strike GO/2 1,818,773 (F2P)
  • Apex Legends 624,473 (F2P)
  • Call of Duty 491,670
  • Starfield 330,723
  • Counter-Strike 319,586 (F2P)
  • Destiny 2 316,750 (F2P)
  • Dying Light 2 274,983
  • Halo Infinite 272,586 (F2P)
  • Helldivers II 255,189
  • Team Fortress 2 253,997 (F2P)
  • Payday 2 247,709
  • The Finals 242,619 (F2P)
  • Rainbow Six Siege 201,053
  • Warframe 189,837 (F2P)
  • Left 4 Dead 2 162,399
  • Halo MCC 161,024
  • Outriders 125,143
  • Borderlands 2 124,678
  • Insurgency 121,575
  • The Division 114,228
  • Remnant II 110,856
  • Warhammer 40,000 Darktide 108,395
  • Warhammer Vermintide 2 104,323
  • Borderlands 3 93,820
  • Payday 3 77,938
  • Killing Floor 2 69,987
  • Payday 50,316
  • Deep Rock Galactic 46,687
  • Left 4 Dead 30,616
  • Vermintide 24,700
  • Killing Floor 24,107
  • Borderlands 23,655

Regarding user reviews, Helldivers 2 started with a low score due to bug and complains about DRM (people seem to prefer pirated game and MP broken due to cheaters), but kept improving. As of now, Steam db numbers:
  1. Left 4 Dead 96.78%
  2. Deep Rock Galactic 96.02%
  3. Left 4 Dead 94.55%
  4. Killing Floor 93.37%
  5. Borderlands 2 92.85%
  6. Payday 91.58%
  7. Halo MCC 91.51%
  8. Helldivers 1 89.59%
  9. Borderlands 88.84%
  10. Payday 2: 88.78%
  11. Killing Floor 2 86.67%
  12. Warframe 85.99%
  13. Magicka (Arrowhead) 85.76%
  14. Rainbow Six Siege 85.06%
  15. Borderlands 3 84.00%
  16. Warhammer Vermintide 2 83.62%
  17. Remnant II 83.11%
  18. Destiny 2 79.98%
  19. Gauntlet (Arrowhead) 79.36%
  20. Warhammer Vermintide 78.59%
  21. Helldivers 2 77.42%
  22. Predator Hunting Grounds 75.19%
  23. Guns up! 72.50&
  24. Halo Infinite (F2P MP) 69.99%
  25. Gears 5 68.73%
  26. Halo Infinite (paid SP) 66.86%
  27. Warhammer 40000 Darktide 66.43%
  28. Outriders 65.51%
  29. Starfield 59.87%
Helldivers II achieved a higher all time Steam CCU peak than the whole catalog from PS Studios, Microsoft Game Studios, Activision, Bethesda, EA, 2K, Rockstar, Ubisoft, Valve, WB, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Capcom, Sega, Koei Tecmo with only these following exceptions:

Counter-Strike GO/2 (1,818,773, F2P)
Dota 2 (1,295,114, F2P)
Elden Ring (953,426)
Hogwarts Legacy (879,308)
CoD (491,670)
Fallout 4 (472,962)
Life is Strange 2 (468,717)
GTAV (364,548)
Starfield (330,723)
Counter-Strike (319,586, F2P)
Skyrim (287,411)
Halo Infinite (272,586, F2P)
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MasterCornholio

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yurinka said:
Population of about 17,434 people (in 2020), which would be 174,340 CCU. He wasn't serious or precise about the numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gällivare
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Oh I used some numbers from 2022.

Gällivare (Municipality, Norrbotten, Sweden) - Population Statistics, Charts, Map and Location

Gällivare (Municipality, Norrbotten, Sweden) with population statistics, charts, map and location.
citypopulation.de citypopulation.de

Then again most of the time I don't know what I'm doing.

😆
 
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yurinka

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MasterCornholio said:
Oh I used some numbers from 2022.

Gällivare (Municipality, Norrbotten, Sweden) - Population Statistics, Charts, Map and Location

Gällivare (Municipality, Norrbotten, Sweden) with population statistics, charts, map and location.
citypopulation.de citypopulation.de

Then again most of the time I don't know what I'm doing.

😆
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Well, your number is more recent / accurate than mine. The first one I found was from wikipedia, much older (2010).

In any case, I think he wasn't trying to provide an exact or very close number. He was just saying that there's a ton of people playing, a huge scale for him.
 
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MasterCornholio

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yurinka said:
Well, your number is more recent / accurate than mine. The first one I found was from wikipedia, much older (2010).
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Maybe I should go over there and count them. Not to mention bring back some chocolate to share with everyone.

Oh and that super salty liquorice. I love that stuff.
 
Heisenberg007

Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
mckmas8808 said:
Why today and not this weekend? Do Steam players play more on Fridays or something?
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Today's record will likely be broken tomorrow. I just looked at the data, and there are signs that a new record (~275,000 CCU) will be set today.

Helldivers 2 is actually setting new records every day as more and more people are buying the game. The sales are likely 3 million by now by my estimates, when it was just "near a million" 3-4 days ago.
 
Yoboman

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Member
SlimySnake said:
I am not going to celebrate it for a variety of reasons:
1) Halo Infinite had a 250k CCU as well. Doesnt mean much especially after seeing MS's announcement yesterday. Porting to PC is lost console sales and sales on their own digital platform where they get to keep 100% of the cut.
2) GaaS is very finicky. Anthem, Suicide Squad, Avengers all flopped for a variety of reasons, but above all they were a gigantic waste of time for these single player focused studios.
3) I actually liked the gameplay loop in avengers and anthem, and it seems suicide squad is decent in that department too. But people shied away despite the studio pedigree. Point is you cant ever predict what goes viral so why bother investing your best talent at it if its a roll of dice?
4) This success might cause them to revive Factions and any other gaas games they had cancelled. And fuck that. i dont want anymore gaas titles from Sony.

I am happier for the studio who deserve the success but Sony will take all the wrong lessons from this, double down on PC ports, double down on GaaS, and double down day one PC releases.
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Their current strategy to GAAS (new teams making them) while allowing their core studios to continue focusing on single player that has multimedia potential needs to be right. Because that strategy being wrong won't stop them wanting a live service success, it will just push them further into desperate actions like forcing their acclaimed studios on to GaaS projects

If you don't want meddling in singleplayer studios the best outcome is this.

Thats not to say Sony can't still double down and demand more GAAS. But I know for certain that they would be more desperately seeking it if they can't find it with the current studios dedicated to GAAS projects
 
leo-j

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This is going to break 300k today, and probably 350k+ tomorrow wouldn’t be surprised if it does 500k, great idea doing the xp boost during the game having a mini viral moment for PS on steam, tbh it’s tempting me to get it early on ps.
 
Killjoy-NL

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Heisenberg007 said:
Yeah, I came back, and we boarded the plane, and the game got crashed. We got nothing in the end.

P PectacularOz - also, sorry for keeping you waiting so long in the game.
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That sucks. Luckily, it's not too hard to gather resources, plus we get 50% bonus this whole weekend.

Was trying out the sniperrifle from the Warbond the first match, but it kinda sucks. Or maybe you'd really need to take time and headshot from a distance.
Should give it a couple more tries. Lol

MikeM said:
Ps5 or PC?
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PS5. Didn't have much trouble irt gamecrashed so far, but the last 3 days it's a bit iffy.
 
Heisenberg007

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Killjoy-NL said:
That sucks. Luckily, it's not too hard to gather resources, plus we get 50% bonus this whole weekend.

Was trying out the sniperrifle from the Warbond the first match, but it kinda sucks. Or maybe you'd really need to take time and headshot from a distance.
Should give it a couple more tries. Lol
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The bonus is for XP and Requisition Slips, right?

That's good, but I feel what we need most and more often are Medals and Samples. Those are the things that are needed the most to progress.

But how quickly we're running through the content, Arrowhead will have to drop new updates fairly soon lol.
 
Killjoy-NL

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Member
Heisenberg007 said:
The bonus is for XP and Requisition Slips, right?

That's good, but I feel what we need most and more often are Medals and Samples. Those are the things that are needed the most to progress.

But how quickly we're running through the content, Arrowhead will have to drop new updates fairly soon lol.
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Lol yeah, they need to hurry up with the Killzone DLC.
 
recursive

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ANDS said:
Just update the other thread that people are still posting in about player count. No need for a thread on every milestone someone thinks is thread worthy.
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Nah this is fine. Normally the forum is filled with numerous "Phil said this today...." threads.
 
DrFigs

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Men_in_Boxes said:
In business, you run towards money, not away from it.

Helldivers 2 shows us the multiplayer market is the land of milk and honey.
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I mean yeah, but they literally can't all be hits. playstation would be making gaas games that are competing w/ each other for players. I like that PS is investing more in multiplayer games. My only problem was that they wanted to make like 12 of them at the same time.
 
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Men_in_Boxes

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Snake Oil Salesman
Mortisfacio said:
What's the predicted player fall off by mid march? 4-6 weeks post launch are often the markers of staying power vs FOMO.
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It's going to drop a ton. The endgame is poorly designed. The honeymoon period will wear off in a couple of weeks and over 90% of the player base will leave in 4-6 weeks. Book it.
 
yurinka

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Today is the day Helldivers 2 achieved a higher Steam CCU than the F2P part of Halo: Infinite.

helldivers-2-halo.png


Some extra coop-ish shooters as reference:

PUBG 3,257,248 (now F2P)
Counter-Strike GO/2 1,818,773 (F2P)
Apex Legends 624,473 (F2P)
Call of Duty 491,670
Counter-Strike 319,586 (F2P)
Destiny 2 316,750 (F2P)
Helldivers II 276,364
Dying Light 2 274,983
Halo Infinite 272,586 (F2P)
Team Fortress 2 253,997 (F2P)
Payday 2 247,709
The Finals 242,619 (F2P)
Rainbow Six Siege 201,053
Warframe 189,837 (F2P)
Left 4 Dead 2 162,399
Halo MCC 161,024
Outriders 125,143
Borderlands 2 124,678
Insurgency 121,575
Battlefield V 116,104
The Division 114,228
Remnant II 110,856
Warhammer 40,000 Darktide 108,395
Battlefield 2042 107,376
Warhammer Vermintide 2 104,323
Borderlands 3 93,820
Payday 3 77,938
Killing Floor 2 69,987
Battlefield 1 53,714
Payday 50,316
Deep Rock Galactic 46,687
Left 4 Dead 30,616
Vermintide 24,700
Killing Floor 24,107
Borderlands 23,655
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 21,923
Battlefield 4 12,425
Star Wars Battlefront II 10,489
Battlefield 3 1,412
Battlefield 2 1,399
Star Wars Battlefront 623
Battlefield Hardline 279

Helldivers II achieved a higher all time Steam CCU peak than the whole catalog from PS Studios, Microsoft Game Studios, Activision, Bethesda, EA, 2K, Rockstar, Ubisoft, Valve, WB, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Capcom, Sega, Koei Tecmo, Techland, Embracer with only these following exceptions:

Counter-Strike GO/2 (1,818,773, F2P)
Dota 2 (1,295,114, F2P)
Elden Ring (953,426)
Hogwarts Legacy (879,308)
CoD (491,670)
Fallout 4 (472,962)
Life is Strange 2 (468,717)
GTAV (364,548)
Starfield (330,723)
Counter-Strike (319,586, F2P)
Skyrim (287,411)

These are the all time Steam CCU peak for the Sony PS Studios games released on PC:

Helldivers II 276,364
God of War: 73,529
Spider-Man Remastered: 66,436
Horizon Zero Dawn: 56,557
TLOU Part I: 36,496
Days Gone: 27,450
Spider-Man Miles Morales: 13,539
Uncharted collection: 10,851
Ratchet Rift Apart: 8,757
Detroit: 8,222
Helldivers 1: 6,744
Death Stranding: 6,093
Guns Up!: 2,277
Journey: 1,757
Predator Hunting Grounds: 1,504
Beyond Two Souls: 1,346
Heavy Rain: 747
Sackboy: 610
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture: 191

Mortisfacio said:
What's the predicted player fall off by mid march? 4-6 weeks post launch are often the markers of staying power vs FOMO.
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Around that time they will have the remaining important bugs (the matchmaking) fixed, a great amount of great reviews in the media, the user ratings in Steam very improved compared to now and I assume they'll have published the first post launch Warbond/extra unlockables.

So I think they will have passed their peak, which I think will be at around 400-450K aprox. and then will have came down at 300K peak per weekend.
 
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