FunkMiller
Gold Member
The big deal is that Sony can say whatever it likes... the fact is a PSN account is clearly not needed to play Helldivers 2.
The only (real) reason they now want you to have one is so they can sell their shit at more people.
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Arrowhead Studios confirm PSN Account Requirement decision was on Sony - Game received over 15,000 negative reviews and is now 'Mixed' on Steam
The big deal is that Sony can say whatever it likes... the fact is a PSN account is clearly not needed to play Helldivers 2.
The only (real) reason they now want you to have one is so they can sell their shit at more people.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I'd rather they didn't require gamers to have a PSN account to play Helldivers 2 on PC, the way they have been for months!
lifa-cobex
Member
What do you mean by making stuff up?
Tones of memes on the negative reviews, granted.
So far the arguments have been
-I didn't need a PSN account to play this game before.
-I can no long play this game as I can't have a PSN account in my country.
Now either the store page once stated that you had to have one or it was optional is now on debate.
But we do have evidence of Sony changing it's TOS on it's page from 'optional to 'some are required.
From personal experience. I purchased the game on steam and I haven't need a PSN account up to this point.
I don't play it anymore. Fantastic game but I've had my fill so I don't have much of a dog in this fight.
But I can be empathetic and can see why Steam users don't want yet another third party log in.
People keep comparing to "oh what about Rockstar, EA, GOG etc etc"
Nobody is championing that. I certainly don't have EA or Epic apps on my comp and I don't play their games.
GOG is a good front and games pass had a good deal. That's why it's more accepted.
Those company's also have a good reason to do it. They want you to go to their stores and purchase directly.
Sony doesn't have a store on PC (yet). It's putting the cart before the horse.
Sell data, make stokes look good and a step towards PC store.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ideally they shouldn't have added the mandatory requirement knowing full well that it's gonna restrict a certain userbase (we can't accurately say how much) will be blocked from playing the game. I'm sure they can pull up the analytics of which countries people are logging from.
On forums, we can tell each other that sure use VPN or make an account for a different country. But that's likely not something Sony will officially message to player.
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*Nightwing
Member
Absolutely correct it was about money and profit: they would have had to spend money to increase server capacity to handle the unexpected launch success, rather than temporarily removing the restrictions until the player base shrinks to within the expectations they allotted server capacity for.
Absolutely incorrect about the evil genius motives in stealing user data after it’s a success: They were literally always going to steal user data as per the notifications everywhere stating PSN will be required
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xHunter
Member
This can be said about any game though. Do you need an Epic account to play Fall Guys through steam? Didnt need one when it launched on steam, so why do i have to use one now? But the difference here is, it was stated from before launch that you will need to link your accounts.
Mr Moose
Member
Now this is the actual issue here. We'll have to wait and see how this works out.
It's just a joke.
Fabieter
Member
I read alot of "psn is hacked every other day that's the reason I don't make a 2 min accounts and I have more reason to bitch about this than any other account.
lifa-cobex
Member
lifa-cobex
Member
Pass. I've no idea as I've not seen that but I'll just take your word.
I don't know if PSN is hacked every other day. Highly doubt and a silly argument as it's nothing to do with the issue.
However I still stand by my points listed.
Topher
Gold Member
That's obvious hyperbole.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's a purely publisher driven change, I feel bad for the Arrowhead guys. They're getting the brunt of the responses and negative feedback here. Their CEO yesterday said he just wants to make good games and understands why people are leaving thousands of negative reviews.
Fabieter
Member
No the only valid critism is that psn isn't available in every country and that their communication was soo soon bad.
lifa-cobex
Member
Completely agree. They got thrown under the bus on this.
feynoob
Gold Member
It was optional during that time. Different than mandatory word right now.
lifa-cobex
Member
So you can't concede that Steam users have yet another third party app to have that is interlay pointless to them and only benefits Sony in selling user data and make stocks look good?
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Topher
Gold Member
What third party app?
Made up reason to outrage number 101.
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Fabieter
Member
Not excusing anything of this but if you truly believe this is such an big issue stop using the internet.
DrFigs
Member
The clear solution is that if you already bought the game in a region where psn is not available, sony should just waive the requirement for those users. but clearly that's not what bothers the majority of people complaining, because they probably live in regions with psn. it's a dishonest argument.
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Topher
Gold Member
If you truly believe people complaining about this is such a big issue stop using the internet.
Works both ways.
lifa-cobex
Member
Bumblebeetuna
Gold Member
Review bombing is cool and all but Sony won’t give a flying fuck about that, all they will care about is engagement and money from the war bonds or whatever the battle passes are called. Time will tell whether those are affected or not. Could very easily be a “MW2 boycott group” type situation.
Although, one could easily assume that a review status of “mixed” could certainly affect future sales of the game.
It’s worked fine for months without any need of a PSN account, and a lot of people who bought it after it blew up likely had no idea an account was needed. Bad move by Sony to reinstate it after all this time and sales. Especially since PSN isn’t supported everywhere.
Although, one could easily assume that a review status of “mixed” could certainly affect future sales of the game.
It’s worked fine for months without any need of a PSN account, and a lot of people who bought it after it blew up likely had no idea an account was needed. Bad move by Sony to reinstate it after all this time and sales. Especially since PSN isn’t supported everywhere.
Bumblebeetuna
Gold Member
Valve fanboys are the worst corporate bootlickers!
Btw anyone who besmirches the good name of Sony should be fucking arrested.
Yes that was fucking hilarious
Topher
Gold Member
No, they just don't like the change and they don't like how Sony has implemented it. That's not being "dishonest".
Fabieter
Member
Yea I don't hope you have a smartphone, an account for nvidia, razer, dont use windows or any social media app. Any tech company is abusing us for our data. Its a good fight to fight but be consistent if you do.
lifa-cobex
Member
Gamezone
Gold Member
Sure, but you are limiting your choices.
aliadiere25
Member
Jeez... the PC community is nothing but entitled crying babies.
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Fabieter
Member
Go on with your fake outrage bro go on.
lifa-cobex
Member
DrFigs
Member
i'm saying bringing up how people who bought the game in China, the phillipines, or afghanistan won't have access to the game because psn isn't available there is a dishonest argument. there are ways that sony can address this that won't affect other players and the majority of the people complaining (at least in english) don't live in these countries. People saying they don't want this because they don't like change or they don't want to sign up for an additional service are of course giving their opinions.
Topher
Gold Member
Valve fanboys are the worst corporate bootlickers!
Btw anyone who besmirches the good name of Sony should be fucking arrested.
ah man.....I just saw that. I did not know hyperbole was iilegal in some countries.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
ah man.....I just saw that. I did not know hyperbole was iilegal in some countries.
Does this look like hyperbole to you, good sir?
April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
Topher
Gold Member
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
How am I limiting my choices buying directly from EA, Ubi, etc...?
Topher
Gold Member
I disagree. It is a legit argument as to why this is a bad move by Sony even if it isn't directly relevant to the person posting the review. People are absolutely allowed to make arguments based on principle. And how would we know if the people making these arguments are not directly affected in the first place? How do we know if they do not have friends in those countries who they play the game with?
So you sign up to all the different accounts and install all launchers to not limit your options? So what you're saying is that it would be better for Playstation to have a PC launcher where you sign up and buy their games rather than just signing up. Am I reading this right?
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Pallas
Member
The consequences of chasing that MAU number.
Weren’t there also some opposition when Minecraft and Microsoft required Xbox live login for Minecraft on the PlayStation?
Weren’t there also some opposition when Minecraft and Microsoft required Xbox live login for Minecraft on the PlayStation?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Thank god for that. Otherwise we would already had taken in the ass paid online, limited BC/resolutions/framerates/graphics/input lags/controllers/non mods, etc, etc...
there are many xboxers/playstation haters who already migrated to pc
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
The option to buy on Steam is still there. My Options are still there.
Yes. I would prefer another launcher instead of needing to have to log in on 2 accounts at same time for 1 game. It is idiotic. It is already like that for EA, Ubisoft, etc games.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Arrowhead encouraging the negative reviews to continue to help discussions with Sony.
This is a perfect example of the disparity between the guys who are actually making the game versus some suits in the executive offices making decisions.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Clearly the people who made the game can see it's a bullshit move. A crying fucking shame so many around here don't.
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Nope, i don't think it even needed it as it wasn't a MS published game on PS at the time even when they owned it (not sure about now) just look at SoT on OS though.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Sony initially blocked it.
Sony defends decision to block PS4 cross-play with Xbox One and Nintendo Switch
Sony has defended its decision to block cross-play between PS4 and Xbox One after coming under fire from gamers this we…
www.eurogamer.net
RyanEvans21
Member
They did though!
Helldivers 2 Is Getting Another Server Cap Increase
Helldivers 2 developer Arrowhead increases server capacity once again, earning praise for its efforts to eradicate the issues in the game.
gamerant.com