Oh, but I was discussing having that requirement on steam and how there is no deal:
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Arrowhead Studios confirm PSN Account Requirement decision was on Sony - Game received over 15,000 negative reviews and is now 'Mixed' on Steam
RyanEvans21
Member
Helldivers 2 Is Getting Another Server Cap Increase
Helldivers 2 developer Arrowhead increases server capacity once again, earning praise for its efforts to eradicate the issues in the game.
gamerant.com
Helldivers 2 devs are upping the server capacity to handle 800k users, reducing queues. (Even the max players didnt reached 500k) .
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
The problem with your "discussion" is Steam is not a requirement to play those games.
Sleepwalker
Member
Can't hear you over my 4080's coil whine
What are you talking about man.
Somebody said "at least when EA, Ubi, MS etc do it (require another account on steam) they give you a deal" and I said "there is no deal when you can't play Gears 5 single player without registering for a MS account on steam." then you came in saying "there is a deal when you dont use steam".
Helldivers 2 was a $40 game on steam anyway it's a great deal. It wouldn't have been $35 if it had its own PS launcher.
aliadiere25
Member
Yet, they keep begging for these so-called console games.
Fabieter
Member
This shitstorm will definitely change their pc strategy in some way.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
They don't beg for console games. They beg for a game version without shitty limitations that console versions have. If they wanted to play the game as it is on console, they would play there on a cheaper console, duh.
near
Gold Member
The community manager who bragged about this making it easier to ban people has deleted her Twitter account.
Sounds like she was bullshiting out her ass. If she was actually an AH employee, she needs better PR training or become far more informed with what's going on.
lifa-cobex
Member
It's not the first time she's spazzed out.
She's had a slap on the wrists a few times in the past apparently.
vaibhavpisal
Member
The community manager who bragged about this making it easier to ban people has deleted her Twitter account.
WTF.
Does AH not know about this
April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
Topher
Gold Member
WTF.
Does AH not know about this
April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
That's a secret
vaibhavpisal
Member
Fabieter
Member
WTF.
Does AH not know about this
April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
If anyone thinks any big tech company is safe than I have loads of bridges to sell.
For example steam had a big data leak around 2011 ad well. No one talks about it. And we shouldn't even start with Microsoft.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
You want me to list every single country that does not allow the creation of PSN accounts? The PSN accounts that are now going to be *required* to play a game on another platform?
Or are you just talking out your console warring ass?
It isn't a small number and many people don't want to risk having their account permanently closed because of breaking TOS. If it wasn't against TOS and you could just make an account in any country you like without risk, I would not think this would be an issue. Sadly that just isn't the case here.
It is against the TOS anyway and you are at risk of having your account banned.
You underestimate the amount of folks that live in places like the Phillipines who play these games. It is an unneeded change to a game that has been selling extraordinarly well. If Sony wanted to make PSN accounts creatable in those other countries, or change their TOS, then I would have no issue. That isn't the case though.'
It is against TOS and can earn you an account ban.
I play with folks in this game who do live in those countries. Fighting against idiotic choices and injustices shouldn't require you to live in said country. That would be retarded.
Personally if you have access to PSN and don't want to link? Then yes, they are being whiny babies. I am more against this change specifically for the reasons that a good number of folks can't make said accounts without risking permanent bans.
If you put in over 300 hours into a game, get to rank 60+, you won't want to risk all that progress lost.
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TerribleAtThisGame
Member
The community manager who bragged about this making it easier to ban people has deleted her Twitter account.
Imagine having a "job" where you can just stop doing it entirely and essentially stop showing up because it got annoying.
Mr Moose
Member
I think that's just their personal account. They probably Tweet shit from the Arrowhead Twitter account.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
The community manager who bragged about this making it easier to ban people has deleted her Twitter account.
Seems like every Community Manager these days hates games and gamers. The few good ones we had were immediately fired or run out of the industry because of triggered blue haired cunts (LRG CM, Projekt Red/GoG CM)
dotnotbot
Member
I wonder since when PC players started to follow ToS so diligently.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Gamers can do that to you.
A couple of retailers where i live, after taking your order for PS5/ Series X, they ghost you on phone / whatsapp till they get it in their hand. Same for most game preorders.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Since they can be banned.
Self_Destructive
Member
Not in the slightest.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Chinese and Philippine players have already been getting banned for not following the TOS. It doesn't take a genius to know that breaking TOS can risk account closure.
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dotnotbot
Member
No one got banned for that.
If they did, it was something else. No one in PSN 17 years history got banned for that.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
And no one that follows ToS of online games got banned too.
Topher
Gold Member
How would you know that?
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Drop the trolling shtick, mate. We have plenty of evidence that people were banned from PSN for not following TOS over the last 20 years, including creating PSN accounts while living in other countries that can't. All it takes is a quick google search.
dotnotbot
Member
Show me a single report of someones secondary account registered to foreign country get banned before.
IMO it's bullshit and spreading lies to keep the drama going. I've got like 5 secondary accounts, each registered to different country. I've used free VPNs to make purchases on my turkish account like 10+ times in the last 2 years or so. Never had an issue.
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Chukhopops
Member
Remember when you said:
And now that it actually happened you’re working triple shift defending it, while calling others spineless?
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Well they probably should just launch it day 1 with PSN account requirement. I am more curious if Sony will have exclusive games in their own PS launcher or now.
Because there is no reason to. I've had a Japanese account since 2010 or something like that. You've been able to do this since forever and Steam users have gloated about using VPN to buy games in Argentina, turkey etc on steam. Nobody gets banned for that stuff otherwise you would be hearing about it from before and it would have become clear that VPNs don't work. That would have had its own uproar before.
Fabieter
Member
Pretty sure this isn't even enforceable if they would try at least in the eu.
Topher
Gold Member
I guess that's fair. Obviously we can't know for certain if something like that has happened before, but I get what you are saying.
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Let Me Google That
For all those people that find it more convenient to bother you with their question than to google it for themselves.
Plenty to choose from. Just parse through the recent news about Helldivers 2 specifically and you will find hundreds of accounts that were banned for living in a region where PSN does not exist. Again, drop your sad console war bait.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
WTF.
Does AH not know about this
April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
Dumb excuses now. You already sold your soul to thousands of websites, launchers, game accounts or whatever. Let’s not start talking about how “save” the trillion dollar companies are. The people who sold their soul to steam think they are save?
Steam Store Spreads Malware After Hacker Hijacks Developer Accounts
Fortunately, fewer than 100 Steam users are affected, according to Valve.
77,000 Steam accounts are hacked and raided every month
Valve, the developers of the Steam online gaming platform, says that its members are facing a serious problem.
www.bitdefender.com
I bet nothing will happend with so called “banned accounts” at end of the month, and all these dumb fucks around here and on Reddit and X will hide again.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
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dotnotbot
Member
Let Me Google That
For all those people that find it more convenient to bother you with their question than to google it for themselves.letmegooglethat.com
Plenty to choose from. Just parse through the recent news about Helldivers 2 specifically and you will find hundreds of accounts that were banned for living in a region where PSN does not exist. Again, drop your sad console war bait.
1st page has only one result related to topic and it's this:
"No, you'll be fine"
"It won't. I'm from Asia and I'm using a US account"
etc. Every thread on this topic is similar, using multiple accounts registered to different countries has been very popular on PS, esepcially in PS3 era.
"I've had US, UK, JPN accounts for like 9 years and have had no issues."
"Honestly, I don't think anybody's ever been banned because of this. You're giving them money after all."
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
The hilarious thing about all of this is that Sony have managed to shine a really bright spotlight on something they technically don't allow: PSN accounts in other countries.
So now they either have to enforce bans, just let the whole thing slide, or roll back this bullshit requirement.
They've highlighted a massive issue with their terms of service that could prove legally difficult in future. Good job, greedy morons!
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RyanEvans21
Member
I made PSN Japan before to download Naruto Demo And free Wallpaper on PS3. Never got ban.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
And just further in I found 18 different statements of being banned for having an account in countries where PSN creation is not allowed. A few on GameFAQs, Reddit, and other places. That was spending less than 3 minutes reading past the first page. But as soon as you saw one thing corroborating your console warring view, you immediately dismissed it. Thanks for proving my point.
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dotnotbot
Member
To clarify, I'm not saying it's fine that some people are forced to break the ToS. It shouldn't be like that and that one guy from Arrowhed already acknowledged the problem.
badblue
Gold Member
Here a link to a reddit thread where a Chinese player has been banned for violating the TOS by creating a PSN in China.
bender
What time is it?
Really common practice but a guess we could draw a distinction here in that most of us creating additional, country-specific PSN accounts probably came from a region that was supported by PSN in the first place whereas the concern with Helldivers is countries that don't have support in the first place. Both scenarios probably break the ToS and are actionable by Sony.
dotnotbot
Member
Insted of relying on unconfirmed reports, you can do a simple excercise by yourself if you either own Helldivers 2 on Steam or any Playstation console. Register an account to some exotic country far away from your location and see if it gets banned. If people got banned so quickly it means the bans are automatic so we shouldn't have to wait too long for the results.
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near
Gold Member
Yeah, I think what people seem to be misunderstanding is that these people who are getting banned are in regions which PSN is not supported. If you're in the UK, US, or Japan for instance, you will have no issues accessing the network, and creating multiple accounts from different regions. This is where I think Sony is enforcing ToS.
dotnotbot
Member
Please show me the links of all those 18 different statements. I genuinely don't see any in my results.
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RyanEvans21
Member
China is not good example! I'm sure Facebook,Google,Steam etc are also banned there.