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Assassin's Creed III: American Revolution setting confirmed [Game Informer/Box Art]
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Isn't Acre in Israel? which would still be the middle east not europe
I was saying that the appeal of an Asian setting for AC is cliché at this point, since it has been rumoured for so long, and there is a strong fan base for it. My sentiment was that my own point was cliché.
That is very true. We'll see, I have my doubts though. I feel it will be too much flag waving and "close to home". Perhaps we get the chance to sabotage the entire colonisation of north America. THAT would be interesting!
It has nothing to do with making everybody happy. It has to do with diversity and counter-discourse, which simply doesn't seem to exist within the industry these days (at least not at this level).
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
let's just lay to rest the double protag thing. it's one guy, it's just two artist renditions of the same character. it's some amazing art. but he'll skew younger looking to the people freaking out about the older art
Crap, that's right.
YES. Choice!
That I can agree with there should be more diversity in game protags, but sadly most devs will go with what they think will be the most appealing overall. The mc is not from my tribe but I'm still happy to see a native in the role, am curious as to how they are going to handle relations between the settlers and the local tribes, due to the setting there are a lot of possible ways for Ubi to take a beating which sadly makes me think they are going to play this game too safe.
"I'm just playing the confederate side because I wanted to see how the story mode is plus all of these awesome plantations, not because I'm for slavery. Never that!"
Totally agree. I'm happy to have this conversation, I guess it's just a process for me and my own stupid ego standing in the way of accepting this particular location. It's all have to do with how they do it and portray it. It's just experience that flashes a red light whenever I see any flag in the marketing of any cultural product. It just goes against my connection to the AC series.
Starting to think we need a thread explaining the difference between the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War, and hell, throw in the War of 1812 for good measure too.
I'm disappointed in the setting, mainly because it seems to force the series to America. Plus the american revolution is objectively one of the more boring revolutions (just think to the French revolution or the Russian revolutions- both the Bolshevik and the anti-tsar revolutions).
I just hope the AC Vita game will have a new character too, I wouldn't mind seeing a game set during the 100 years war. After all Joan of Arc could feature significantly in AC's lore. Also the reformation and counter-reformation periods could be great.
I just hope the AC Vita game will have a new character too, I wouldn't mind seeing a game set during the 100 years war. After all Joan of Arc could feature significantly in AC's lore. Also the reformation and counter-reformation periods could be great.
There is nothing objective about that.
Lol oh wow. Joke fail for the ages
List your criteria for assessing a revolution. Then, explain why it is objectively boring. I'm not sure how literal you are being, but there have been thousands of revolutions, so there is physically no way for the American to be among the most boring. Plus, the French Revolution would not have unfolded in the way it did without the American.
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Manos: The Hans of Fate
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What about the XYZ affair, Barbary Pirates, and Heck the Mexican-American War!
Throw it into the OP. It would be slightly more excusable if it were coming exclusively from Non-American GAFfers.
Really? When comparing the world's better known revolutions it's very hard to justify the American one as the no. 1 choice. American revolution was a war, simple as. Other revolutions such as the French or the Russian were a people's movements that in themselves created problems for the very same people that were revolving. That's the sort of a setting, where everything is slowly crumbling down, boiling, then a civil disorder happens and the whole country explodes (think the last few hours of GTA San Andreas) only to install a leader who deceitfully uses the revolution in his own favour and the people must yet again revolve against him.
Plus it is clear this game is geared towards American consumer with the huge display of the flag etc. There was nothing like that for previous AC titles.
Having said all that I happy that the protagonist is native American. It certainly mixes it a little bit.
Well, I think with most of those wars, people don't know about them to begin with (although in the case of the Mexican-American war, they really should), so no confusion possible there
. War of 1812 at least has some significance to others because it's the basis of the American national anthem, despite the war itself being one of the most pointless fought in history.I'm glad you closed the book on that whole thing. Finally, I can move on.
Why the snarky sarcasm, or am i reading your comment wrong?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well, I think with most of those wars, people don't know about them to begin with (although in the case of the Mexican-American war, they really should), so no confusion possible there
I know, I just loved study history as a kid.
That said War of 1812 was pretty damn useless, but the Barbary Wars did have one battle of great importance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Derne
Your assessment is incredibly reductionist and wholly unrepresentative of the history. No one is arguing the Bolshevik and French Revolutions were not incredible moments in history -- they most definitely were. But, the idea that the American Revolution was dull is just nonsense. Plus, you are ignoring the French-British-American relationship during that time period.
And, you are ignoring the greatest moment in history that occurred during the revolution: when Abraham Lincoln sniped Genghis Khan from the Grassy Knoll during WWI in Indochina.
This is the biggest issue, and well said.
Being judgemental about which revolution was objectively more interesting however is completely missing the issue and we shouldn't resort to such judgements.
StalkerUKCG
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Main character needs a name like "flowing bull" or "falling eagle"
i follow the art and iv never seen it
i follow the art and iv never seen it
It's not more of a marketing ploy than anything else. It's just the worst possible marketing ploy that I, for one, do not believe the industry needs more of. Hence my reluctance towards the whole thing. Let's just hope they connect with processes and discourses that are not reinforcing the anglo-american stereotype. That is, make it a native american revolution instead.
Edit: and I wouldn't be too happy about the French revolution either, since it would still be white European centric, which we already have gone through in ACII and Brotherhood.
Well your missing the point, that would be ok because atleast it would not be stupid merica, we all know the french revolution was wayyy better so their flag would be ok.
ConfusingJazz
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Well, I think with most of those wars, people don't know about them to begin with (although in the case of the Mexican-American war, they really should), so no confusion possible there
Should probably put in The French and Indian War, as people are starting to reference Last of the Mohicans.
Good point.
Anasui Kishibe
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they certainly didn't teach me to be an arrogant american on message boards, expecially when my post wasn't clearly offending anyone
A revolution is the uprising of the people of the given state against an oppressor resulting in successful change in regimes. It is accompanied by ideals that are spread throughout the whole society and it is the society itself that fights against the oppressor through civil disobedience.
While you can say that american revolution also features the oppressor in the form of England this is a bit of stretch as the settlers were not fighting for some grand ideal that would change the regime but rather they simply fought to be free from the nation that was imposing control on them. This, is the really much more reminiscent of an open war conflict rather than social revolution of the people.
That is why the Bolshevik and the French revolution settings work as settings. American revolution is really a war between the settlers and the British Empire, which Britain remarkably lost.
Glad you agree about the flat. I would be much more cool with it if AC had like a templar crest behind Altair, ACII had Mona Lisa behind Ezio or ACB had Colosseum behind Ezio and gang (I haven't played ACR and I have to admit I've never been to Istanbul so I don't know what should have been put behind Ezio and Altair if this was the trend). Since it's the first time the series is using it, the flag simply stands out as a marketing ploy.
Sevket-Erhat
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Because the Blu-ray case is small
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Whoa. Nice find.
So, less focus on the hidden blades and more on musket/tomahawk?
I mean, the hidden blade HAS to be in there, but not seeing it on the cover makes me think it won't play as big of a role as previously.
MoonsaultSlayer
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That tomahawk was pointed out a couple days ago when the first images leaked. Silly to pin the "nice find" button on someone days late to the party. Sorry. Still bitter about no new news and people pointing out old things like they're new again haha.
Not only are the topics repeating... but so are my rants. I gotta stay out until new info comes.
Impeccable
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War of 1812 would be more interesting to me, just because I know more about it because I'm Canadian.
Burning the White House would be a cool mission in the game.
Burning the White House would be a cool mission in the game.
I think the American Revolution is a great setting and especially one that hasn't been explored in video games (outside of maybe strategy games). And I'm very excited that this might inject the long needed new blood into the series. But a big appeal of the series has always been that it took place in and on top of these famous landmarks. And I don't see see those landmarks in Boston or Philly or New York in the late 18th century. Climbing on top of Liberty Hall doesn't excite me nearly as much as climbing onto the Campanile of Santa Maria del Fiore or the Colosseum or Hagia Sophia or the Dome of the Rock.
Yeah ok.
But I still love the setting and finally I am really looking forward for a new Assassin's Creed again.
jakonovski
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The more I look at the cover art, the more convinced I become that it will be changed for the non-American release. Flag waving Ezio Gibson stabbing redcoats is just too dumb in any non US marketing context.
Surprisingly IGN's Colin Moriarty found alot of interesting stuff in the couple of shots that have been released so far : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k69ZeLUGCm8 spotted some interesting things that I had missed.
What I love is the amount of attention they paid to the assassins garb considering the MC is Native. The bird pattern on the hood, the beads around his arms, the feathers on the bow, they really put alot of little detail into the uniform.
Damn I can't wait to find out how they are going to do this game. Stalking prey from the trees, using nature for cover and verticality, the history, the protag, so much about this game could be fantastic, please don't screw it up Ubi.
A Native American during the time of the American revolution would not be a flag waiver, as a matter of fact most Native Americans sided with the British Empire because the Brits made promises to protect the tribes, and their lands against the invading American settlers. So if anything, he would the an Anti flag waiver.
jakonovski
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Yeah, I know/hope the game will be different. But if you have to write a disclaimer on the box to make the audience aware of the nuance contained within, that's not good. For example, all European audiences will see is just another American flag, and the English audience will probably just be offended.
The cover will be changed.
I laughed so hard I think I woke the kids up. I like your sense of humor!
Here is what I think about the setting and images so far...
BAD. ASS. And I'm too old to be a fanboy, though not as wannabe cynical as half the haters on here. I've been gaming since Telstar pong and I can't remember an American Revolution setting other than strategy games.
Of course, I think AC1 was a masterpiece as long as you turned off the HUD to make up for the repetitiveness, I'm probably biased. Damn kids and their wimpy ass hand holding.
Here is what I think about the setting and images so far...
BAD. ASS. And I'm too old to be a fanboy, though not as wannabe cynical as half the haters on here. I've been gaming since Telstar pong and I can't remember an American Revolution setting other than strategy games.
Of course, I think AC1 was a masterpiece as long as you turned off the HUD to make up for the repetitiveness, I'm probably biased. Damn kids and their wimpy ass hand holding.
Impeccable
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... What?
jakonovski
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I've seen quite a few comments from English people that express negative feelings towards the fact that the cover depicts a redcoat being stabbed. And that's from the informed crowd who's already more or less intimately aware of the Assassin's Creed brand. Now take that level of informed and go down a few pegs and imagine what will happen.
Or to put it another way: do you think that a game cover art that had the protagonist killing an American soldier (while a foreign flag flies in the background) would ever fly in the US? If not, why should it be such a surprise that similar reactions (in quality if not quantity) could happen elsewhere?
Impeccable
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I think a game is a game and killing a solider from 1800's shouldn't offend anybody and it's my instinct that the vast majority of British people won't care about the cover.
If I'm wrong then I'm sad in my heart.
As for the American solider thing, it wouldn't fly just due to the magic that surrounds the US Army and the worship status the military gets. If it was a solider from the 1800s, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't care though.
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