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[FlashbladeGAF]

Amy Acker, I love you.

PoI is so good.

I was actually worried they'd kill her off this time...

And even though "God Mode" has expired, I guess being an admin allows her to get "something" from the machine. Interesting to find out what that is next season...

Also got love for Sarah Shahi as well.

 

[Hydrogen Bluebird]

Still like "This Show is Being Watched"

 

[Froli]

Amazing season final! Now, the waiting is going to be painful

 

[Ducarmel]

Very underwhelming/anti-climactic episode, which is the opposite of Season 1's season finale. It also poses more questions than it answers.

I sort of agree.

My problem is the reveal of Finch being the mastermind of the virus to attack The Machine to defend itself sort of undermined the intelligence of The Machine. The whole drama could have been avoided once the virus was executed and the call was answered and Finch just come out and said its to late.

IMO it would have been cooler if The Machine learned to get around its limitations set by Finch and preemptively saved itself. Decima seemed like a good antagonist but now they seem useless since they got trolled by Finch, The Govt might back off since the numbers are coming in again, and Root might disappear now that she has found a true friend (maybe).

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

It probably hasn't hit me yet, of what's "changed" with The Machine. I guess it's now truly "un-findable" and with control over itself, right? It gets to decide what it wants to do, and decided to continue on with the status quo, except for whatever is going on with Root.

Sure seemed like the Government knew where the Machine was, cause I'm unsure how Hersch and the Leader arrived there as well, as well as have that conversation with Lonely Guy. PS: Hersch is a bad bad dude.

Sadly, Decima straight up disappeared, Carter's story is left hanging (though with the tasty treat that Elias is out of prison, for the time being) and Fusco had 2 straight episodes off to end the season (though, I had heard he wasn't in the finale earlier today). Can't answer everything!

Well not much has changed except it's perception of people.

Spoiler

It wasn't "just" let free. Maybe in the physical sense so people don't know where it is but at an awareness level, it's been free for a long time now. I think Finch said he did it 3 years ago which is probably shortly after nathan died. As far as it's behavior, it's only altered by the chain of events of what has happened and therefore changes how it acts. It's memories were never erased, which was shown by the shell company and it's always learning but now it has stronger reasons to act differently to certain people.

Edit: Maybe he didn't say 3 years ago. I thought he did at some point when talking about setting it free but now I can't find it. I'll have to watch again.

 

[Ducarmel]

Well not much has changed except it's perception of people.

Spoiler

It wasn't "just" let free. Maybe in the physical sense so people don't know where it is but at an awareness level, it's been free for a long time now. I think Finch said he did it 3 years ago which is probably shortly after nathan died. As far as it's behavior, it's only altered by the chain of events of what has happened and therefore changes how it acts. It's memories were never erased, which was shown by the shell company and it's always learning but now it has stronger reasons to act differently to certain people.

What's with the spoiler tag? When did Finch say he freed The Machine 3 years ago?

While The Machine was aware the shell company was the Machine reacting to Finch programing it to kill itself every midnight, The Machine got its true freedom with the virus. The virus was a ruse/security measure by Finch and Ingram just in case the govt or some third party wanted to attack or illegally access The Machine.

Finch had no problem with the Machines current state, he only would allow it to be free as a last resort, which we just witnessed in the finale.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I sort of agree.

My problem is the reveal of Finch being the mastermind of the virus to attack The Machine to defend itself sort of undermined the intelligence of The Machine. The whole drama could have been avoided once the virus was executed and the call was answered and Finch just come out and said its to late.

IMO it would have been cooler if The Machine learned to get around its limitations set by Finch and preemptively saved itself. Decima seemed like a good antagonist but now they seem useless since they got trolled by Finch, The Govt might back off since the numbers are coming in again, and Root might disappear now that she has found a true friend (maybe).

Decimas goal was to have the 24 hour all-access pass, so the "drama" prevented them from gaining that access.

 

[Lonestar]

I sort of agree.

My problem is the reveal of Finch being the mastermind of the virus to attack The Machine to defend itself sort of undermined the intelligence of The Machine. The whole drama could have been avoided once the virus was executed and the call was answered and Finch just come out and said its to late.

IMO it would have been cooler if The Machine learned to get around its limitations set by Finch and preemptively saved itself. Decima seemed like a good antagonist but now they seem useless since they got trolled by Finch, The Govt might back off since the numbers are coming in again, and Root might disappear now that she has found a true friend (maybe).

I took the action by Finch to be a sort of "vaccine" situation.

 

[Ducarmel]

Decimas goal was to have the 24 hour all-access pass, so the "drama" prevented them from gaining that access.

True, though they did a poor job securing the location, for all the money they probably spent once they knew the location they should have had a whole army ready to take the call or reroute the call, Greer was not even at the location.

 

[Lonestar]

True, though they did a poor job securing the location, for all the money they probably spent once they knew the location they should have had a whole army ready to take the call or reroute the call, Greer was not even at the location.

They were all over the city, and it seemed like they didn't get the location till minutes before the deadline. Still, Reese/Shaw/Root had to fight off something like 10 Goons for it.

 

[Ducarmel]

Still Greer was not even in the picture, was one of the goons going to pick up the call?

I took the action by Finch to be a sort of "vaccine" situation.

Mutation/evolution maybe, it did more then defend itself from a virus. Now its free to do what it wants.

 

[Can Crusher]

What a shit sniper heh? That whole sequence was awkward.

 

[ZenaxPure]

Just finished watching the finale, thought it was kinda underwhelming. It wasn't bad or anything but I don't feel like anything was really resolved I guess? I think my problem is all of the "revelations" (How Nathan died, Finch's injury, etc.) are things that we already knew basically from day one. Seeing how they actually happened is interesting, but, I don't feel like any of them were season finale worthy. I didn't really get excited over anything, which is the opposite of how I usually react to season finales for shows I care about.

That said, the congratulations scene might be the best scene in the entire show so far. I laughed so hard during it.

 

[derFeef]

Hmm, that was not as good as I hoped, but the last few episodes spoiled me I guess.
And where the fuck is Fusco.

 

[Ducarmel]

Going back to the call and 24 hour access plot.

Did the call work? Did Root/John truly get full 24 hour access? The Machine seemed to feign ignorance about what Root wanted (its location) and it was ignoring Johns request to go help Finch until he did his job first.

So if Greer did get the call what would he actually do with it since The Machine appeared to be aware of threat from the start?

 

[HawkeyeIC]

What a shit sniper heh? That whole sequence was awkward.

Worst part of the ep, which was otherwise good.

 

[Lonestar]

Going back to the call and 24 hour access plot.

Did the call work? Did Root/John truly get full 24 hour access? The Machine seemed to feign ignorance about what Root wanted and it was ignoring Johns request to go help Finch until he did his job first.

So if Greer did get the call what would he actually do with it since The Machine appeared to be aware of threat from the start?

To me, the feigned ignorance from the Machine, is something that was in Finch's Virus-in-a-Virus. Instead of being an unfettered access, it was slightly more "controlled access." Finch wanted the Machine to move again, and become almost completely untraceable, which it did. If Greer had actually managed to control, he at least wouldn't have been able to get to the Machine, though they still could do a shit ton of damage in those 24 hours.

If it was just a virus from an outside party (without Finch's code), it might have been totally unlocked, and might not have moved, resulting in physical access to the Machine, which sounded like complete control of it's function indefinitely.

 

[Ducarmel]

To me, the feigned ignorance from the Machine, is something that was in Finch's Virus-in-a-Virus. Instead of being an unfettered access, it was slightly more "controlled access." Finch wanted the Machine to move again, and become almost completely untraceable, which it did. If Greer had actually managed to control, he at least wouldn't have been able to get to the Machine, though they still could do a shit ton of damage in those 24 hours.

If it was just a virus from an outside party (without Finch's code), it might have been totally unlocked, and might not have moved, resulting in physical access to the Machine, which sounded like complete control of it's function indefinitely.

I could understand the controlled access part, if it was not for how it acted with John though. With John it was a two way conversation, you do me a favor I do you a favor. Root was simple to manipulate she did not want anything major but The Machine's location so it only gave her bread crumbs probably to keep her happy and not get Finch in danger. The Machine did not even warn her about the sniper who killed Lawrence knowing she was tracking him and his daughter.

I have to imagine if Greer picked up he would have gotten a lemon.

 

[Can Crusher]

What's up with the show's shoulder kill shots? Hell what's up with this show's shoulder shots overall?

It's becoming a bit funny.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

I could understand the controlled access part, if it was not for how it acted with John though. With John it was a two way conversation, you do me a favor I do you a favor. Root was simple to manipulate she did not want anything major but The Machine's location so it only gave her bread crumbs probably to keep her happy and not get Finch in danger. The Machine did not even warn her about the sniper who killed Lawrence knowing she was tracking him and his daughter.

I have to imagine if Greer picked up he would have gotten a lemon.

the snipers were avoiding cameras and not carrying cell phones to avoid detection by the machine

 

[Lonestar]

I could understand the controlled access part, if it was not for how it acted with John though. With John it was a two way conversation, you do me a favor I do you a favor. Root was simple to manipulate she did not want anything major but The Machine's location so it only gave her bread crumbs probably to keep her happy and not get Finch in danger. The Machine did not even warn her about the sniper who killed Lawrence knowing she was tracking him and his daughter.

I have to imagine if Greer picked up he would have gotten a lemon.

It gave both "admins" breadcrumbs, as that's all it could do. But also, perhaps, to show to the admin's that "hey, I know how to protect myself. I got dis."

Reese got the Irrelevant, I assume, because it recognized him as being the one who would actually "do something" about them. Perhaps it sent it to Root, and she ignored it (or it had something to do with her "abbreviated commands" talk)

 

[Ducarmel]

the snipers were avoiding cameras and not carrying cell phones to avoid detection by the machine

Well let me rephrase it then The Machine did appear to warn her of the possible threats it lost track of to Lawrence and The Admin.

It gave both "admins" breadcrumbs, as that's all it could do. But also, perhaps, to show to the admin's that "hey, I know how to protect myself. I got dis."

Reese got the Irrelevant, I assume, because it recognized him as being the one who would actually "do something" about them. Perhaps it sent it to Root, and she ignored it (or it had something to do with her "abbreviated commands" talk)

I don't believe that Finch said he freed the machine with the virus. I think the 24 hour access was just a function of the virus/vaccine/evolution/etc when it reboots.

The Machine acted normally with John as it always did, saving people and if there is time go after Finch and with Root it gave her what she wanted to see/hear trying to protect Finch imo.

I just think with Greer while he would have access The Machine would just ignore him or give him irrelevant data since it was free to act on its own.

 

[Meteorain]

Just saw the finale. First thing I was going to ask for was "Anyone have a gif of the ferrari-wedding scene?". Lo and behold one page earlier there it is!

Also, goddamnit why is the machine reaching out to Root?

 

[Incendiary]

What's up with the show's shoulder kill shots? Hell what's up with this show's shoulder shots overall?

It's becoming a bit funny.

It's the natural progression from season 1's knee shots. Season 3 is going to be elbows.

 

[Tamanon]

Well, time to catch up, picked up Season 1 on DVD finally. I've only seen a few episodes of that season oddly enough.

 

[Jay Shadow]

Also, goddamnit why is the machine reaching out to Root?

From the machine's point of view, I can't think of anyone more trustworthy than Root. She's completely obsessed with its well being.

 

[WrenchNinja]

That was kind underwhelming. Last season was crazy, Root trolling Finch and John, Root kidnapping Finch, Machine being self-aware and helping John find him. This...i dont know, doesnt feel like much was accomplished. I guess I wanted a holy shit cliffhanger.

 

[Fireblend]

I vote this, it best sums up this season IMO.

If not I propose:

Person of Interest |S3 OT| Bad Code
Person of Interest |S3 OT| Supermodels and Hackers
Person of Interest |S3 OT| Brunettes > Blondes

Person of Interest |S3 OT| Brunette Supermodels and 24-Hour Joy Rides

 

[Tamanon]

Person of Interest |S3 OT| Inspired by Watch_Dogs

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

What's with the spoiler tag? When did Finch say he freed The Machine 3 years ago?

While The Machine was aware the shell company was the Machine reacting to Finch programing it to kill itself every midnight, The Machine got its true freedom with the virus. The virus was a ruse/security measure by Finch and Ingram just in case the govt or some third party wanted to attack or illegally access The Machine.

Finch had no problem with the Machines current state, he only would allow it to be free as a last resort, which we just witnessed in the finale.

Did it get it's freedom with the virus? You say in a later post that you don't think it was set free with the virus. I was talking about when the machine was allowed to think for itself. How long ago did the virus actually hit it? Because the machine was moved weeks before root and finch arrived.

 

[Tamanon]

Finch said "I set it free three years ago" I thought.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Finch said "I set it free three years ago" I thought.

Ok, that's what I thought and people said I was wrong. I'm not losing my mind! And he said that he had to have it protect itself when he found out the people he gave it to were the wrong people which was 3 years ago.

Edit: Yup, he says 3 years ago when he is apologizing to reese, I was only looking when they were in the nuclear facility. So my statements before were correct, it's been able to do whatever it wants for 3 years but probably never had a reason to deviate. Now with the actions of certain people it has changed it's behavior due to the new experiences and will act accordingly.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

That. Was. Awesome. So much goodness in this episode, I'm not sure where to begin.

Gotta get this out of the way first: Where the hell was Fusco? He's completely MIA the last couple of episodes. He'd better be up to something big for his glorious return. Then again, Carter still has Elias, so... this ought to get interesting.

Ok, but the Machine! It was already free. Holy shit. I love that. That means it helps Reese and the government... because it wants to. That reveal was awesome. So, it's out there. In the world. Somewhere. Just doing its thing.

Root was insane(ly hot) this episode, as usual. I do love how she's obviously unstable, but you sorta can understand where she's coming from. Felt kinda bad for her when she was all catatonic after she discovered the Machine was gone and she got shot.

But the ringing payphone at the end! I wonder what the Machine wants with her. Just a friend? Or does the Machine have other plans for her in mind?

The final reveal of how Finch was injured and Nathan was killed was pretty great. I did like how after the Finch douchebaggery in the last episode, he showed up at the ferry to support his friend, even despite all their differences. Only for Nathan to die

But at least he got his revenge... in a way.

Shaw and Reese were in fine form this episode. Just fucking badass. Loved how they went out of their way to save everybody and were all snarky during it. Save Irrelevants or prevent an AI Apocalypse? "We're the good guys, Shaw. We're gonna do both." Great line.

Just in case somebody wanted the gif here it is!

Too good.

Person of Interest |S3 OT| Can You Hear Me?

It's a toss up between this and "This Show Is Being Watched" for me. But I really, really love this.

Bad Robot and Ubisoft need to team up and use the Watch_Dogs engine for a Person of Interest game.

That would be glorious. Or hell, just cross-over.

What a shit sniper heh? That whole sequence was awkward.

Yeah, it was really weird.

Person of Interest |S3 OT| Inspired by Watch_Dogs

 

[Jay Shadow]

Edit: Yup, he says 3 years ago when he is apologizing to reese, I was only looking when they were in the nuclear facility. So my statements before were correct, it's been able to do whatever it wants for 3 years but probably never had a reason to deviate.

You're still not quite understanding his statment right. He created the code to set it free 3 years ago. That was the virus. It didn't actually reach the computer until recently after Kara used John to plant it earlier this season. Then it took a while to find the machine. Then the code within a code taught it self preservation which is why it relocated. But it wasn't completely free until after the 24 hour admin access ended.

 

[Sloane]

I've been critical of the show at times but the last 8 episode or so were pretty good, mystery shit reminds me of Buffy / Angel, decent action scenes, too. Guess Nolan's increased involvement, at least going by the credits, pays off.

Shahi needs to become a regular though, just cut the stupid HR storyline already and Fusco and Carter too while we're at it.

 

[Router]

Oh man, the look on Finch's face when he asked the machine if it knew and it showed Nathans photo before deleting and resetting for the day. MASSIVE FEELS.

 

[Lyonaz]

I hope Amy Acker becomes a regular.

Also they should never kill off Root or Elias, I hope they stay the whole show.

 

[Sloane]

I hope Amy Acker becomes a regular.

Really? I find her annoying as hell, especially now that's she's not even supposed to be a villain anymore.

 

[Lonestar]

Finch said "I set it free three years ago" I thought.

he didn't say that.

He says "Three years ago, when I put the code out there, to free the machine, I didn't know the path it would take..."

The code sat there on a laptop, and then in Decima's hand, until it was uploaded by Kara. The Machine became "free" sometime between that moment, and the end of Day Zero. You could say it's first being choice, was the phone calls at the end, and what it's going to do from here on out.

 

[excaliburps]

Hmm, that was not as good as I hoped, but the last few episodes spoiled me I guess.
And where the fuck is Fusco.

Yep. Was thinking the same thing: where the hell was Fusco??! Carter could have used his help on HR.

Person of Interest |S3 OT| Inspired by Watch_Dogs

Or Watch_Dogs Inspired by Person of Interest?!

Honestly, the finale was a bit underwhelming. I was expecting more given S1's uber-amazing season finale. Now? We just know the Machine contacted Root, she'll more or less play a big role for S3.

Shaw, too and Leon from the looks of it will be back in S3 with larger roles. Kinda getting crowded, but if used intelligently, I wouldn't mind. I wonder if Jonathan Nolan and the other showrunners have this all plotted out or are just winging it.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

So, Shaw was tagged in a yellow box in the end.

Is everyone "Irrelevent" to the Machine now?

Dun dun dun

 

[Incendiary]

Shaw, too and Leon from the looks of it will be back in S3 with larger roles. Kinda getting crowded, but if used intelligently, I wouldn't mind. I wonder if Jonathan Nolan and the other showrunners have this all plotted out or are just winging it.

I wouldn't mind Shaw and/or Leon as series regulars, since Shaw is kind of the back-up Reese and Leon is kind of the back-up Finch. Would be interesting if there was an episode where Reese and Finch got into trouble and the B-Team (Shaw and Leon) had to operate the Machine and save them.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I wouldn't mind Shaw and/or Leon as series regulars, since Shaw is kind of the back-up Reese and Leon is kind of the back-up Finch. Would be interesting if there was an episode where Reese and Finch got into trouble and the B-Team (Shaw and Leon) had to operate the Machine and save them.

That sounds more like a spin-off than anything, I think (which would be hilarious, Shaw and Leon tooling around LA or something). It'd be great.

While I love Shaw and Leon, we already have a cast of four that seems to pack the episode well enough. Too more regulars might give it an overstuffed feeling while underserving the other characters.

 

[Ducarmel]

Also Shaw has no emotional investment to stick around, she confessed she does not care for anybody. She seemed to have gotten over Root, and the Special Counsel guy is dead. She is officially dead and free do whatever she wants with her life, she would need a damn good reason to come back and be a regular.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Also Shaw has no emotional investment to stick around, she confessed she does not care for anybody. She seemed to have gotten over Root, and the Special Counsel guy is dead. She is officially dead and free do whatever she wants with her life, she would need a damn good reason to come back and be a regular.

I think Finch and Reese's actions have been enough for her to care about their well-being. She'll be back if they need her. While the Machine is free, there will always be threats to it, and she's at least invested in making sure the numbers keep coming. Plus, I think she likes the duo, especially considering the lengths they went to to save her and clear Cole's name.

 

[Ducarmel]

I think Finch and Reese's actions have been enough for her to care about their well-being. She'll be back if they need her. While the Machine is free, there will always be threats to it, and she's at least invested in making sure the numbers keep coming. Plus, I think she likes the duo, especially considering the lengths they went to to save her and clear Cole's name.

Well I don't know if she does care about their well being in general they were useful to her to get to Root, that was who she was after when she found Finch.

Also she did not seem to care about the irrelevant list all that much, and appears to have no problem hurting innocent people if safer options are not available. The car chase scene she looked like she was going to use her guns on those cops if the machine did not do something about it.

As for the relevant numbers, it seemed like it was just a job for her, cant remember if she choose to work for the govt meant or they recognize her ability to do the job. Either way she had no problem walking away from the job, when they saw her as a threat to the program.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Also Shaw has no emotional investment to stick around, she confessed she does not care for anybody. She seemed to have gotten over Root, and the Special Counsel guy is dead. She is officially dead and free do whatever she wants with her life, she would need a damn good reason to come back and be a regular.

hersh is alive

 

[Ducarmel]

hersh is alive

But she admires (or more like respect) Hersh for doing his job, if the roles were reversed she would most likely done the same thing. He is just a cog to a machine its never personal just business, like she was when she was still an agent.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

But she admires (maybe respect) Hersh for doing his job, if the roles were reversed she would most likely done the same thing. He is just a cog to a machine its never personal just business, like she was when she was still an agent.

Well, then she'll come back for Bear. She likes Bear.

 

[whatsinaname]

Wonder what body part they are going to go for next season.

Person of Interest |S03 OT| Everyone's got V.A.T.S