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ElTorro said:
Should be "gamers".
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Xbox One: Details on Connectivity, Licensing (24 hour check-in) and Privacy Features
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Should be "gamers".
freenudemacusers
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I remember Ben from Ars when he was Stasis7.Gemüsepizza;61804784 said:
Seems like a different dude now.
Wishmaster92
Member
AAAAA HOLY SHIT IT KEEPS POURING!!!
SolidChamp
Banned
Consider, for a moment, that without GAF, we'd be stuck with the passive acceptance of MS shills like these fine folk:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=2287667&page=23
THESE are the people who will gladly take it up the ass from MS, while paying them for it.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=2287667&page=23
THESE are the people who will gladly take it up the ass from MS, while paying them for it.
Eclectic Jabber Monkey
Member
Yes, its a nu start.
NullPointer
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
It says to a friend. Chances are it means you hand over cash in person and you give away the game using that one giveaway thing.
That just says what the official blog says. You can give a game to a friend provided they've been on your friends list for at least 30 days.
He's saying NeoGAF is a circlejerk of shit, basically. For, yaknow, wanting to be able to loan games to our friends.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I get why they're doing it from a business perspective.
I just think they're underestimating the consumer backlash that will happen after launch/Christmas when Billy's game console won't play games after the first day. It will literally be hundreds of thousands of people dealing with this, because this policy is A) too complicated for many and B) won't be explained by retailers to consumers.
Retailers will be flooded with returns.
Yeah, this post made me laugh lmfao.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I think all of the policies they announced are logical extensions of the fact that this is a digital-only console. The "retail" titles, such as they are, are like Steamworks games. It's not a retail+digital console, it's a digital-only console. I mean, imagine if a competitor to Steam popped up that had all of these policies. It'd be fairly standard--in some respect forward-thinking (being able to transfer a game you own to a friend, even once, is better than what Steam has right now; being able to trade in at select retailers is better than what Steam has now for both the retailer and the customer), in other respects a little behind the curve (offline mode being a 24 hour limit) I don't personally have a problem with digital only, I've got 600 games on Steam. And I'm generally a pretty future-proof kind of guy, none of my computers have optical drives anymore. I use Dropbox for everything. I love tablets I'm not someone who typically needs to be encouraged to adopt new tech or who worries about trading off the stability of current options for the cutting edge of new options.
But here are the problems:
1) No one views these policies as an advantage in any digital-only platform. They're a necessary evil. And they're one that's overcome with sweeteners. One sweetener is pricing. In Steam that's manifested in a few ways--frequent and steep sales on the whole catalogue, and the ability for developers to produce unlimited keys for free (and thus for third party resellers to sacrifice margin for volume and offer discounts). Will Xbox One games be $35 to pre-order? Will they drop to $5 within 6 months? I doubt it.
2) Digital-only PC platforms emerged in response to the decline of retail. Retail has not declined for consoles. It's still there. The Xbox One's direct competitors will have retail space. And the direct competitors will not necessarily have these policies. Maybe Microsoft ends up correctly predicting the future and riding the wave in advance, but it seems like Microsoft's competitors are healthy enough that this is too much too soon.
3) There exists no digital-only platform that requires an ongoing membership fee (or that encourages an ongoing membership fee). Ongoing membership fees tend to be for unlimited, all-access type services like Netflix--or even in the more limited form, Playstation Plus, or discount programs like Amazon Prime or Costco membership. It's true that Gold exists today, but today there's a platform that doesn't necessarily need the kind of sweeteners that the One will need.
So, I guess my conclusion is that given that we now know that Xbox One is a digital-only, not digital-first system, the policies are fairly unremarkable and the next question becomes how Microsoft will blunt these inherent limitations of digital-only systems and show advantages.
But here are the problems:
1) No one views these policies as an advantage in any digital-only platform. They're a necessary evil. And they're one that's overcome with sweeteners. One sweetener is pricing. In Steam that's manifested in a few ways--frequent and steep sales on the whole catalogue, and the ability for developers to produce unlimited keys for free (and thus for third party resellers to sacrifice margin for volume and offer discounts). Will Xbox One games be $35 to pre-order? Will they drop to $5 within 6 months? I doubt it.
2) Digital-only PC platforms emerged in response to the decline of retail. Retail has not declined for consoles. It's still there. The Xbox One's direct competitors will have retail space. And the direct competitors will not necessarily have these policies. Maybe Microsoft ends up correctly predicting the future and riding the wave in advance, but it seems like Microsoft's competitors are healthy enough that this is too much too soon.
3) There exists no digital-only platform that requires an ongoing membership fee (or that encourages an ongoing membership fee). Ongoing membership fees tend to be for unlimited, all-access type services like Netflix--or even in the more limited form, Playstation Plus, or discount programs like Amazon Prime or Costco membership. It's true that Gold exists today, but today there's a platform that doesn't necessarily need the kind of sweeteners that the One will need.
So, I guess my conclusion is that given that we now know that Xbox One is a digital-only, not digital-first system, the policies are fairly unremarkable and the next question becomes how Microsoft will blunt these inherent limitations of digital-only systems and show advantages.
SMH.Gemüsepizza;61804784 said:
mysteriousmage09
Member
The amount of shills in this thread....holy shit.
Marty Chinn
Member
Can we ban the people spoiling Game of Thrones? It's kind of annoying.
Gemüsepizza;61804784 said:
Oh man Kuchera, you're so clever!
It is and it isn't really. A lot of people will just shop directly on Steam without bothering to look at CD key website or Green Man Gaming or whatever other competitive shop is on offer. Though the thing is, they all tie back into Steam. Most modern PC games are being made to utilise Steam's cloud, achievements and social aspects. They are all on Steam, with no ability to take them off of Steam.
Don't get me wrong, any form of DRM that denies players the chance to play their games properly is bad in my books, but the reactions to this perplex me when Steam has been doing it for so long.
Whilst I don't see some of these scenarios panning out, all of this does indeed turn the concept of game 'ownership' upside down.
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Deleted member 752119
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You can gift the game ONCE to someone who's been on your friends list for 30 days.
So no reason you couldn't sell it to someone on your list and gift it to them after getting the money. Problem is it's a one time thing so then they're stuck with it and can't sell it.
For the "family" point. It's probably peoples that are using your console as primary console. Not Ip Adress or whatever.
And so they can access what is bought on the primary console on any Xbone.
It's shitty. It's just that MS understand that when you buy a game, you expect that your brothers and sisters can play the game too (where they want)... It's only that. Not some sort of game sharing.
And so they can access what is bought on the primary console on any Xbone.
It's shitty. It's just that MS understand that when you buy a game, you expect that your brothers and sisters can play the game too (where they want)... It's only that. Not some sort of game sharing.
So your rights as a consumer are very important to you...unless the price is right?
come at me microsoft
those xbox fanboys are going to need it.
BlazingDarkness
Member
It's not possible.
Any used-game DRM would be entirely down to publishers (perhaps by way of serial codes etc)
Officially the Xbox One REQUIRES an internet connection. The PS4 does not, unless every Sony rep has been lying since February.
Go into his post history, straight up MS shill.
And my personal favorite, RE Sony not bundling the camera with every system (IE what pretty much every GAFfer wants to keep the price of the PS4 down)
Anticitizen One
Banned
Well at least there getting this shit out of the way before E3
This is amazing.
"What if Divx goes out of business?"
"It's hard to see how Divx could go out of business..."
Puppet Shadow
Member
I'm sorry Dave, but it appears your daughter Jenny is not a genetic match. Access denied...
Yes... that is what I kind of said ^^
RedNumberFive
Banned
Holy shit at this news!
Lets not forget that they'll still be charging a Live fee to play your games!
Absolutely disgusting!
Lets not forget that they'll still be charging a Live fee to play your games!
Absolutely disgusting!
anexanhume
Member
It will likely download a partial part of the game to avoid excessive load times, much like the play your own purchased copy as it downloads the new consoles enable.
Crystal clear after that.
It says recommended, not required. If you want to play online games, you'll want as fast as possible. If you just want to play, you should be fine...unless the game relies on the cloud.
Price. That's the difference. I'm fine with the terms on Steam and the App Store because the prices are great.
PS2 didnt even ship with a network card.
Yes, MMORPGs are always online, they kind of need to be, but summer beach volleyball? nope.
MMaRsu
Banned
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
I agree and if Sony is doing the same 24h/1week or whatever online check shit they can fuck themself too.
Of All Trades
Member
I agree, most of the "beneficial" policies are either things I dislike or am largely ambivalent towards (being a massive Steam user and being capable of waiting for prices means I have more cushion), but the family thing is pretty uniquely good. My brother is significantly poorer than I and lives hundreds of miles away, and he will stand to really benefit if the policy works as indicated (even if they do something crazy like match billing) because he can simply play all the games I buy, finish, and stick on a shelf because their value is too low for me to care about selling.
He'd literally never have to buy a PC game again if Steam implemented this because he could never get through my finished pile.
Colonel Nasty
Member
The systems biggest problem is it has a disc drive. I'm sure they included it because of broadband caps but all it did is avalanche all this other shit. If they wanna be steam they need to price like steam.
NullPointer
Member
I've seen through the end of season 2 of Game of Thrones, as those are the only episodes up for digital purchase.
People spoiling the show are fucking assholes.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Alright, let's do this
Steam came into existence because pc gaming was starting to slow. Piracy was rampant, from was hilariously awful and usually pirates had better copies, sales were down and companies were leaving the pc market.
Steam has to exist as it does now because of this. Piracy is a huge problem on the pc. It always has been, and steam has to exist for the pc market to be sustainable to big publishers. It's a safe harbor and provides protection for publishers and ample benefits to consumers. A trade off. Both sides get what they want in a reliable, easy to use drm system.
With the Xbox one, none of that needed to exist. There's no threat of piracy. And this isn't a trade off, we're not getting any benefit. This system doesn't have to exist on a console.
And if you don't like steam, you can enjoy a near endless supply of pc games that don't require steam. Id like to see you ignore this say stem but still use the Xbox one.
People saying its just like steam are just trying to deflect the issue and are basically ignorant to why steam needs to exist and why it's tolerated. Sales are only a piece of it.
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