So can I play a family members game on my own console and under my own profile?
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So can I play a family members game on my own console and under my own profile?
So since we have established the concept is ok with you from a consumer rights perspective as long as the value is there for you, if MS has decent sales and prices, you would be ok with this?
How many times have we said "Company X wouldn't be stupid enough to that, would they?"
Let's wait and see on Sony.
As per the MS finalized rules, utterly disappointing. PS4 is the only hope now.
RyanReedyMusic
Banned
Loaning or renting games wont be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.
This is a good thing.
This is a good thing.
lol imagine almost beating a game on hard and then suddenly, "XBOX IS NOW SHUTTING DOWN. PLEASE CONNECT TO INTERNET TO RESTART."
You'd better be taking notes baby, that post E3 write-up is going to be epic!
Why do you need Sony's plans to not be angry?
They also had a rabid community of platform evangelists who ravenously bought software.
You know - all the people who are furious about this shit.
I think Stump's post is spot on. I think the disconnect is that lots of people (myself included) do not understand and have not been sold on the idea of a digital-only games console. The only reason I think people have not rejected it out of hand this time around is the strength of the Xbox brand (compare and contrast it to the PSP Go, I suppose). That's my personal sentiment.
It's going to take very significant sweeteners to overcome that resistance to a digital-only console because I don't understand why you are doing this. The market is not evaporating or in serious contraction, we have a very vibrant retail presence, we have very active secondary and private markets.
I think I need more than just pricing to get me over this. I know I am in a premium hobby; I don't mind paying lots of money because I'm into the ritual of it all. But lots of the problems that the Steam client solved (patching being one of them) don't apply here and the only arguments people can muster are focused on publisher well-being (frankly they can all get fucked).
I'm very concerned.
It's going to take very significant sweeteners to overcome that resistance to a digital-only console because I don't understand why you are doing this. The market is not evaporating or in serious contraction, we have a very vibrant retail presence, we have very active secondary and private markets.
I think I need more than just pricing to get me over this. I know I am in a premium hobby; I don't mind paying lots of money because I'm into the ritual of it all. But lots of the problems that the Steam client solved (patching being one of them) don't apply here and the only arguments people can muster are focused on publisher well-being (frankly they can all get fucked).
I'm very concerned.
No. We get those deals because PC is an open market, as opposed to MS's closed market with the Xbox One.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ7v_8tMcsU
Impeccable
Member
Can you just go away now, shill?
DC1
Member
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Somewhere, in the ivory towers Ballmer, Mattrick, Spencer and Harrison are hiding ...
(Credit to someone who posted this on GAF a few days ago. Can't remember who, though. Please identify yourself, if you like.)
Something tells me even Chris Crocker wouldn't have a tirade on M$'s behalf after all the BS they pulled.
Not for all the moneyhats in the world.
Unfortunately, I don't think the mass media or the massmarket cares about this stuff. They will buy the XBO regardless.
No it isn't.
KillerTravis
Banned
I bought an Xbox this gen, but now I hope the XBO sells miserably and gets MS out of the industry. They keep shitting on it and making it worse than it ever was.
It's fun following your posts. Just goes to show that the only way you're an insider going up against the confirmations of cboat is if you were a PR sentry from MS to keep a tab on things.
Your posts are extremely lop-sided, at any rate.
Oh man, that feels like years ago at this point, haha
VeryGooster
Banned
"Microsoft Insists You Only Lend Your Game to One Friend, and That's a Good Thing" by Ben Kuchera in the next twenty minutes I'm sure.
Why? Microsoft deserves this shitstorm - and if Sony decides to follow suit then they'll deserve their shitstorm as well.
It doesn't change the situation if two companies are shitting on consumer rights instead of one.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
heh. Please do tell us more..
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
I worked at CC during DIVX. Funnest part was if you didn't have a phone line connection, nothing would happen.
WHAT? How in the hell is this a good thing?
Off-Kilter
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Flying Toaster
Member
How exactly is this a good thing? Exploring the possibilities does not mean we are going to be doing this.
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
Exactly.
You don`t own xbone games, you just rent them for 60 bucks with an expiration date.
madmaxx350
Member
Joining No Sony DRM movement...
Yup and I hope you grill MS in your one-on-one interview (assuming it doesn't get canceled suddenly due to "schedule conflicts", heehee).
Yeah, I'm actually very interested in all digital and like retail games being treated like Steamworks. I do rent, so that's the tradeoff for me. I'm not as insulted by these policies as everyone else. I think they come with the territory. I just need to determine if pros outweigh the cons for a purchase.
and those customers probably made them the least amount of money too. I don't see why this is so shocking... non-Nintendo consoles are almost always loss leaders, so they're focused of milking each consumer for all their worth rather than reaching more consumers
they made a business decision. if it causes them to crash and burn, well... I'll stay for the schadenfruede
RyanReedyMusic
Banned
Everyone is crying like babies but just like Angry Joe has said many times. Dont buy it. End of story.
Uno Venova
Banned
NullPointer
Member
I've seen this exact sentiment too many times here lately.
That's exactly the argument. Once, and only if we have no choice in the matter, pricing will improve dramatically.
Exactly. I'm already curious what year three prices will look like on this thing.
komicturtle
Banned
I wish Microsoft would allow me to nickname my Xbox.
"Bitch, find Tales of Viridian: Dawn of a New Moon for me".
"Bitch, find Tales of Viridian: Dawn of a New Moon for me".
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
indeed we do
Thou must giveth in order to taketh away.
Price is everything. The reason people trade in games in the first place is to recoup some value from a high priced product.
Lower the prices and the need to recoup value diminishes.
This is where Microsoft is screwing the pooch. They're restricting usage, keeping the prices high, and continuing to charge for basic services. All take, no give.
Flightmare
Member
Well, now that it seems Microsoft has confirmed the worst of this crap, and is seemingly doubling down on going forth with these terrible policies, I can save myself alot of money by skipping their next console.
I never thought console gaming would come to this. I only accept it on PC because the games are way, way cheaper than on consoles and in the event a company like Valve goes full evil like Microsoft has just done I can always find modifications for my games library to remove them from Steam DRM.
You know it;s kind of funny that Microsoft announces this shit officially a day after I went on an Amazon used games spree and ordered up a bunch of old out-of-print games I missed out on. I got several PS1, PS2, Gamecube and Wii titles that for some reason I passed over the first time around. Microsoft's system makes it so Xbone may not have the type of longevity for collectors and retro gamers that all prior machines had. Once their servers in Redmond go offline, and their magical super cloud floats over to new device support, is their response going to be "deal with it"?
I never thought console gaming would come to this. I only accept it on PC because the games are way, way cheaper than on consoles and in the event a company like Valve goes full evil like Microsoft has just done I can always find modifications for my games library to remove them from Steam DRM.
You know it;s kind of funny that Microsoft announces this shit officially a day after I went on an Amazon used games spree and ordered up a bunch of old out-of-print games I missed out on. I got several PS1, PS2, Gamecube and Wii titles that for some reason I passed over the first time around. Microsoft's system makes it so Xbone may not have the type of longevity for collectors and retro gamers that all prior machines had. Once their servers in Redmond go offline, and their magical super cloud floats over to new device support, is their response going to be "deal with it"?
Such as?
You're American, so come from a country with fucked up laws that screw consumers. The US courts have ruled in favour of software companies restricting resale in licence agreements. The EU has ruled in the opposite way, siding with consumers. You can resell licences for both physical and digital software (the Court explicitly stated there is no distinction between mediums). You've been able to sell PC games on UK eBay for ever, it's just up tot eh buyer to ensure they can play the game (no DRM stopping them).
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thepotatoman
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Here's why I think Steam is a terrible comparison even beyond the pricing argument:
1. Steam has a guarantee that all games you own will be available all the way until they go out of business, and maybe even after that.
2. PC games don't have to go through steam in order to be released for the PC.
3. Steam actually has an offline mode that works for months, not hours
4. PC games are way easier to abuse copying/installing and passing it on than console games, where you can not do that on a closed console system.
5. Most steam games will work as you continue to upgrade hardware and OS, while it's very possible not a single Xbox One game will work on the Xbox after that.
6. PCs are better than consoles in a lot of ways. You could at least say you're trading used games for better graphics or control schemes by giving up the consoles and the used games that went with it.
7. Some people did stay away from PCs for the very reason of wanting to own the games they buy and now are running out of places to turn to.
1. Steam has a guarantee that all games you own will be available all the way until they go out of business, and maybe even after that.
2. PC games don't have to go through steam in order to be released for the PC.
3. Steam actually has an offline mode that works for months, not hours
4. PC games are way easier to abuse copying/installing and passing it on than console games, where you can not do that on a closed console system.
5. Most steam games will work as you continue to upgrade hardware and OS, while it's very possible not a single Xbox One game will work on the Xbox after that.
6. PCs are better than consoles in a lot of ways. You could at least say you're trading used games for better graphics or control schemes by giving up the consoles and the used games that went with it.
7. Some people did stay away from PCs for the very reason of wanting to own the games they buy and now are running out of places to turn to.
That to me says they aren't going to allow it, but they didn't want to give us all the bad news in one go.
Well, I say bad news. It's pretty irrelevant to me at this point.
VibratingDonkey
Member
So you can't sell games privately unless you've been friends with the person for 30 days and gift it to them. You can only gift a game once.
Games can be resold or traded in at participating retailers, if the publisher of the game has enabled this functionality.
Not clear on what this family sharing is about.
Renting's no longer a thing?
Loaning?
All in all it sounds kind of shit, but better then when Phil Harrison said there'd be fees involved.
Games can be resold or traded in at participating retailers, if the publisher of the game has enabled this functionality.
Not clear on what this family sharing is about.
Renting's no longer a thing?
Loaning?
All in all it sounds kind of shit, but better then when Phil Harrison said there'd be fees involved.
Oh ok. Sounds kind of shit.
Oh ok. Sounds kind of shittier.
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