M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Nah, look at Nintendo and how fans everywhere sucking their dicks. And Sony is amazingly pro-consumer in comparison to that.
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Then... don't play with them? It's a co-op campaign. You invite your friends you want to play with. If your friend is cheatengine-ing and you don't like that... then don't play with them? How is that hard to understand?So do you like to play with these guys and their moded "XXX" weapons that does one hit kill everything?
I mean I report it as cheating.
Cheating it not exclusive to players vs players.... it exists in cooperative too.
ethomaz
Banned
So why cross-play? Make it easy... just allow PS play with PS.
Console gaming is supposed to be a closed play field and ecosystem that everybody are equals.
If you really want to play with your friends then you or your friends can buy another device.
PS. Why should you play Solo a game designed to play co op?
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Warablo
Member
There's no sense arguing with you, but you are thinking of it as "playstation" game. When really you should be able to enjoy "Borderlands" with the whole community of the Borderlands game. Its extremely important for niche games and fighters too. It gives all games longer legs and more balanced matchmaking.
Krappadizzle
Member
I've owned every consoles since NES. Nothing is "supposed" to be anything. It's a closed field because the sheep accept it as that. It's beneficial to you if it's open whether you want to admit it or not. Not a tough concept to grasp, you are purposefully being dense because Sony has a healthy hold on the #2 spot for consoles.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
No worries, I play Guile like a rush down character. Oh yeah, I play bison too, although I like him better in IV.Yeap let play someday I don’t have the last two years characters but that is not a issue
I’m not good with zoomers
Btw I play on PC. Since you aren't cool with PlayStation and crossplay, does that mean you don't wanna play with me anymore?
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Schmick
Member
Over and over again you only seem interested in representing Sony and PS. You never seem interested in representing the fellow Gamer.
Cross play should be the default option for every game because it is the best for the Gamer. However what also should be the default, is the option to turn off cross play (which pretty much all games with cross play do).
Schmick
Member
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
1 - who cares if you like mid gen upgrades or what you think they tried to sell you on. The point is whether you play with or without cross play, regardless of which ecosystem be it PS, Xbox, or PC, there are hardware differences and advantages. Also, they are mostly irrelevant. It’s not like the days of Quake 3 on 56k Dreamcast going against broadband PC users.
2 - this is another laughably weak argument. For starters, when do games go on sale or have a “fire sale” only on one platform? Also a vast majority of multiplayer games aren’t MTX focused or free to play. Try again.
3 - I play a lot of MP games with cross play on or off and don’t notice any influx of cheaters. This is again where I have to mention you were caught red handed lying your ass off about PC cheaters in SFV just so you could make an argument for Sony.
4 - a game having cross play on by default just shows that even developers know that cross play is the best way to experience the game. But if you load up a MP game and you can turn off cross play, how are you forced to use cross play?
You said most games force you to use cross play. That is outright false. I have never played a game where I can’t disable cross play.
Also, regarding you getting called out for your lies, don’t try to rewrite history. I read the thread, you made tons of posts about how online play in SFV was full of cheating Pc players and how the game was much much better after you disabled cross play.
But someone looked at your stats and you had like 7 or 8 matches in the years since the game had released, and your last match was against a PC user. Which meant that number one, you know nothing by about the online play with such little amount of matches played, and number two, you lied about disabling cross play and having better matches. Because your last match was a PC user. You only had two console matches.
You have no shame and it’s a waste of time trying to educate you on this matter because your opinion will always just be tied to whatever Sony’s position is. You’ll even lie to defend it
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Lol nah, I genuinely like the game and
ethomaz
. He can be a dick at times, but he's one of my favorite GAF members. He stays true to himself, and I've told him this before. We either agree or completely disagree with several topics. 
Krappadizzle
Member
1 - who cares if you like mid gen upgrades or what you think they tried to sell you on. The point is whether you play with or without cross play, regardless of which ecosystem be it PS, Xbox, or PC, there are hardware differences and advantages. Also, they are mostly irrelevant. It’s not like the days of Quake 3 on 56k Dreamcast going against broadband PC users.
2 - this is another laughably weak argument. For starters, when do games go on sale or have a “fire sale” only on one platform? Also a vast majority of multiplayer games aren’t MTX focused or free to play. Try again.
3 - I play a lot of MP games with cross play on or off and don’t notice any influx of cheaters. This is again where I have to mention you were caught red handed lying your ass off about PC cheaters in SFV just so you could make an argument for Sony.
4 - a game having cross play on by default just shows that even developers know that cross play is the best way to experience the game. But if you load up a MP game and you can turn off cross play, how are you forced to use cross play?
You said most games force you to use cross play. That is outright false. I have never played a game where I can’t disable cross play.
Also, regarding you getting called out for your lies, don’t try to rewrite history. I read the thread, you made tons of posts about how online play in SFV was full of cheating Pc players and how the game was much much better after you disabled cross play.
But someone looked at your stats and you had like 7 or 8 matches in the years since the game had released, and your last match was against a PC user. Which meant that number one, you know nothing by about the online play with such little amount of matches played, and number two, you lied about disabling cross play and having better matches. Because your last match was a PC user. You only had two console matches.
You have no shame and it’s a waste of time trying to educate you on this matter because your opinion will always just be tied to whatever Sony’s position is. You’ll even lie to defend it
KuraiShidosha
Member
Good, fuck Sony. They've got their heads so far up their asses that they deserve to be singled out and shown to be the ugly stepchild of modern day gaming that they are. Ya love to see it.
ManaByte
Member
1 - who cares if you like mid gen upgrades or what you think they tried to sell you on. The point is whether you play with or without cross play, regardless of which ecosystem be it PS, Xbox, or PC, there are hardware differences and advantages. Also, they are mostly irrelevant. It’s not like the days of Quake 3 on 56k Dreamcast going against broadband PC users.
2 - this is another laughably weak argument. For starters, when do games go on sale or have a “fire sale” only on one platform? Also a vast majority of multiplayer games aren’t MTX focused or free to play. Try again.
3 - I play a lot of MP games with cross play on or off and don’t notice any influx of cheaters. This is again where I have to mention you were caught red handed lying your ass off about PC cheaters in SFV just so you could make an argument for Sony.
4 - a game having cross play on by default just shows that even developers know that cross play is the best way to experience the game. But if you load up a MP game and you can turn off cross play, how are you forced to use cross play?
You said most games force you to use cross play. That is outright false. I have never played a game where I can’t disable cross play.
Also, regarding you getting called out for your lies, don’t try to rewrite history. I read the thread, you made tons of posts about how online play in SFV was full of cheating Pc players and how the game was much much better after you disabled cross play.
But someone looked at your stats and you had like 7 or 8 matches in the years since the game had released, and your last match was against a PC user. Which meant that number one, you know nothing by about the online play with such little amount of matches played, and number two, you lied about disabling cross play and having better matches. Because your last match was a PC user. You only had two console matches.
You have no shame and it’s a waste of time trying to educate you on this matter because your opinion will always just be tied to whatever Sony’s position is. You’ll even lie to defend it
RoadHazard
Gold Member
What do you expect from a company that asks idiots to pay to play online? Smart move, money is all that matters.
You mean like all console platform owners? Not saying it's right, just saying it's not just one company doing this.
RavenSan
Off-Site Inflammatory Member
So instead of crossplay (which costs nothing to the end user) -- your suggestion is to buy an additional $500+ console and game...
There is no fucking way you're serious about this.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
I remember you voted for Series X on that poll and you kept playing the victim in GP/Xbox threads. Thank you for being honest to yourself and ditching that GP machine as your main. Catlady might stop reacting to all your posts now. Sorry about that.
I guess he got caught by the mods lolFormerly 'Mr.Xbox'
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Empty words. Name the games you're playing right now that are not crossplay.
ethomaz
Banned
I disagree.
Crossplay should be off by default and have an option to enable it.
Sadly most games doesn’t allow disable crossplay or just allow to disable for that session
That is how bad crossplay is implemented today trying to force you in something you don’t want.
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01011001
Banned
I disagree.
Crossplay should be off by default and have an option to enable it.
Sadly most games doesn’t allow disable crossplay or just allow to disable for that session
That is how bad crossplay is implemented today trying to force you in something you don’t want.
why do you not want crossplay enabled? give me a single good reason for it to be disabled. and remember, in competitive FPS games PC is usually on its own servers and only comes in contact with console if you play together in a party with a PC player
I am ready for the dumbest take any human being ever layed eyes upon, since it's you, a fanboy that I still doubt is a real person and rather believe that you are an elaborate troll account (just for my own sanity) but let's see.
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MurfHey
Member
Also im probs one of the biggest Sony fanboys on here and I'm all for crossplay.
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ethomaz
Banned
I already give several...
RavenSan
Off-Site Inflammatory Member
Nice goalpost move, but I'll bite;
In line with the thread, I care about Borderlands 3. I don't want to only play on Xbox with xbox folks. I have friends who play on Playstation & PC -- and I want to play with them ALL. Not just the PC folks.
But honestly, that's irrelevant. My decision to switch to Xbox this gen is because of the way MS has publicly supported Cross play, (including "Play Anywhere" titles, since I have a gaming PC as well) -- Sony has at every opportunity dragged it's feet in regards to it, or blocked it. I can care about the way a company operates, and vote with my wallet. It's not up to you if the reason I chose one console over the other is "valid" - and to assume so is remarkably arrogant.
Even if I never played a crossplay game, I would still vehemently disagree with the way Sony has chosen to position themselves, and I've adjusted my preferred console accordingly. Because there are more people than me out there who care more than I do. And I remember being a kid and being so upset when I found my friends had a different console, and we couldn't play together. It annoyed the hell out of me then, and the prospect of it continuing to happen annoys the hell out of me now.
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MScarpa
Member
Oh Will, how can you be done chatting? You know were buddies. Relax a little, take a deep breath. Don't want your blood pressure to get to high. The doctor warned you about that. Maybe you should go for a walk. Take that little cute blonde wife with you and relax my man.
Pull n Pray
Banned
Trust me, none of us want to play with you. But some people who mainly play on PlayStation are actually pretty cool.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Because of hive mind? Agreeing with you again what's going on here today?
Roxkis_ii
Member
Then maybe you should get a Playstation.
ethomaz
Banned
Because games.
You only build a hive mind or holds it if you keep delivering new and great gaming experiences.
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Ulysses 31
Member
Krappadizzle
Member
Yeah, but good reasons this time..
Bo_Hazem
Banned
93xfan
Banned
You’re worried about cheaters from Xbox and Switch? How is that a thing?
Brofist
Member
He's probably the type that legit gets his ass handed him to online and says they "cheated". Or count a PC player using kb/m as cheating as well.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
He's saying it only solves the cheating problem... but not sure how the other's really fit either.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
its not a thing.
Just like monetization advantages aren’t a thing.
Just like hardware advantages aren’t a thing.
Just like forced cross play is not a thing.
It’s almost as if he’s desperately pulling shit out of his ass just to toe the company line. I use company symbolically there, he of course doesn’t work for Sony, despite what his posts say.
Iced Arcade
Member
Sony only fans are a different breed.
If it was Sony that increased PS+ like Xbox did a few months back, fans would have ranted and raved about how good the crooked move was instead of fighting back the BS.
Can't understand why anyone would defend restrictions.
If it was Sony that increased PS+ like Xbox did a few months back, fans would have ranted and raved about how good the crooked move was instead of fighting back the BS.
Can't understand why anyone would defend restrictions.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
First time I've seen hive mind as something positive.
From Oxford languages:
a notional entity consisting of a large number of people who share their knowledge or opinions with one another, regarded as producing either uncritical conformity or collective intelligence.
"he has become one of those celebrities whose online presence has made him a favourite of the internet hive mind"
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Haven't you wondered why only non-PS players are bitching about it here? Who's really losing here?
Why am I forced to play with PC players who have an advantage?
Why are Xbox One users FORCED to play with PC players who have a distinct advantage using a KB+M. They can aim faster & more precisely, move faster assign hotkeys for any item, they have faster FPS,
answers.microsoft.com
Crossplay shouldn't be allowed, at all, even with other consoles. A platform should have full control of the community for offenders to be reviewed and shut down.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I've seen many ps players "bitching" about Sony not allowing cross play. Those are of course burried over Sony fanboys who uncritically shares the same opinion as Sony, no matter what.Haven't you wondered why only non-PS players are bitching about it here? Who's really losing here?
Why am I forced to play with PC players who have an advantage?
Why are Xbox One users FORCED to play with PC players who have a distinct advantage using a KB+M. They can aim faster & more precisely, move faster assign hotkeys for any item, they have faster FPS,answers.microsoft.com
Crossplay shouldn't be allowed, at all, even with other consoles. A platform should have full control of the community for offenders to be reviewed and shut down.
While the debate is very long ago, before Sony allowed to be paid for cross play, there were the fanboy made thinking it was a good idea, while the non bias Sony players really wanted cross play to play with their friends.
I've played fortnite on both ps4 and pc, and the heavy auto aim compensates a lot for the mouse precision.
Also, nice find from a 3 year old article where cross play were something new. Must feel fantastic finding such an old post that agrees with you.
You do know you can deactivate cross play if you want to, right?
Or do you find ps users so retarded that they aren't capable of manually activating it or deactivate it? Does papa Jim need to dictate what you should do? Just to make everything clear, I think ps users are clever enough to have the choice.
But okay, what to expect from a group of hive minded people who keeps saying all features other platforms have are trash and sonys only momentum is there games.
Up until they get released on pc, then they become shit for some reason.
Also, crazy for someone to defend a walled garden. No wonder you can't see the grass on the other side when you are being locked up in that prisons high walls.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Nah, I've seen what PC crossplay or even cross leaderboard means. The Crew 1 had them cheaters making 1s drag times and flooding the leaderboard. The Crew 2 seems to have made the right call and cut them out.
So yes, PS community is pretty healthy and no need for a PC mix. Wanna play with PS players? Buy a fucking PS console.
Probably because it increases the size of the community by a huge amount. Why wouldn't you want it with everyone is a better question. Cheating blah blah. Diablo 3 is unplayable on consoles online and cheating exists in many other games without being tied to PC. If people are cheating that has more to do with a person then a system. Other then brand allegiance there is no reason to not want cross play.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Who plays Diablo 3 anyway? It's mostly a boomer game. I'd quit gaming if the industry was stuck in that ancient style.
I like how you ignored everything to make what you thought was a witty comeback. But then you realize Diablo 3 sold over 30 million copies and is one of the best selling games of all time.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I'm 100% serious, you need to pay me monthly to force me to play it. I'll sincerely quit gaming and play something basic like chess or cards. No wonder it's dead because the vast majority doesn't care about it. Selling over 30M doesn't change a thing, there is just a lifespan for every game.
zaanan
Banned
1. Final Fantasy did it since PS2. What changed in PS3 days? Read quote from MS at end of this article:
Defiance could link up an Xbox 360 with a PS3 -- but can't
In this slowly unifying world of technology and gameplay that we live in, it seems weird how we still have the segregation between consoles in the online space. Trion Worlds put on a private demonstration on development hardware to show just how that barrier can be easily knocked down...
www.engadget.com
3. You bring up a hypothetical, then say “who cares about hypotheticals.” Then ask why I am so against crossplay. Did you even read my post? I am not against crossplay at all. I merely pointed out that Sony is correct to charge for potential loss of revenue. This is similar to a developer charging a console maker a fee for exclusivity, to make up for lost revenue on other systems.
Most of the rest of your post is nonsensical hyperbolic ranting that has nothing to do with my point. I do take exception to your characterization of this site as a “heavily Sony slanted forum” though. For evidence, look how many posts on this thread are giving Sony shit about a sound business decision, and how fast my pro-business post got dogpiled, simply because the business in question was Sony.
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ManaByte
Member
They were kind of forced to with FFXI because both console and PC players all played on the same server. When Sony released the PS2 Slim (and in the process killed the PS2 HDD) and Square moved FFXI over to the 360 it had to be crossplay by default due to how Square built the game. FFXIV is the same.
zaanan
Banned
Ok Quick-Draw McGraw! Did you read the quote from Microsoft? It directly communicates Microsoft’s opposition to crossplay with Playstation in the PS3-X360 days. I can find no quote from that era where Sony said they were opposed to it. Therefore the evidence only shows Microsoft as against it then, not Sony.
Schmick
Member
I honestly can't see any relevance to this. So what if MS didn't want cross play back then. I did! It was shitty back then and it's shitty now Sony have decided to not fully embrace it.
zaanan
Banned
Again, nothing to do with my post or point. Is reading comprehension even a thing anymore?
Mods, thank you for labelling this thread as Drama. Might I suggest “Pointless Drama” as a more descriptive label?
Schmick
Member
What did I miss?Again, nothing to do with my post or point. Is reading comprehension even a thing anymore?
Mods, thank you for labelling this thread as Drama. Might I suggest “Pointless Drama” as a more descriptive label?