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kingfey
Banned
Talent vs IPs.
Look at insomniac purchase. That talent gave them a powerhouse.
Bungie would be a powerhouse for Sony. Same as how Bethesda would be a powerhouse for MS.
IPs are worthless, If you arent working on them.
Sony made 2 new big IPs last gen. Horizon and Ghost of tsushima. Talents will give them IPs like those.
Even Housemarque made returnal.
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Yeah, it's a mystery to the difference. I still can't see it being off by close to 70% (280k going down to 70k)
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yurinka
Member
Not sure if this will ever happen. Both said that plan to continue supporting the other consoles in the future.
They specified that by multiplat they mean to continue releasing current and future games in non-Sony consoles. They also mentioned Bungie will stand as separate, multiplatform, independent from PS Studios publisher under SIE with full creatitve freedom.
The half of Zenimax (which includes Bethesda and others), not Activision Blizzard King.
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Leyasu
Banned
That is because I am fucking ignoring it.
We can revisit this once Bungies next game is announced. Which will be multiplatform....... Playstation and PC
Stuart360
Member
Phil himself basically said what i posted in an interview a few months ago. Plus from what i understand Xclud isnt available on everything yet, and you need Gamepass Ultimate anyway, and i would 'guess' that standard Gamepass subscriptions vastly outnumber Ultimate subs.
Xcloud seems to be more of a future proofing thing, but is available now for the people that care about streaming. The game download part is the main bulk of Gamepass i'm sure.
LordBlodgett
Member
I'm not sure where anyone got that revenue number from. As far as I know they have not publicly stated any revenue numbers. Also if their revenue is 2 billion and they sold for only 3.6 billion then their profit and growth numbers have to look horrible. Here are some gaming valuations compared to Revenue:
Roblox: value is 19.56 times revenue
Activision (pre MSFT purchase): value was 5.65 times revenue, Microsoft is paying about 7.7 times revenue
EA: value is 6.01 times revenue
Take 2: value is 5.532 times revenue
CdPR: value is 7.5 times revenue
I could go on, but companies are usually worth a decent multiple of revenue plus a premium when purchased. If Bungie had 2 billion of revenue in 2021, and sold for 1.8 times revenue with a purchase premium as well then they are likely doing very badly profit wise, and may even be looking for bailout. I would guess their revenue is no more than 600 million annually, but again they are a private company and haven't released revenue figures publicly ever as far as I know
ethomaz
Banned
Needs to see what exactly StramDB tracks.
Crimson_Fate
Member
Bungie is going to publish its next game on XBX just so Microsoft fans can bask in the glory of paying $70 for a game which will not be on gamepass.
Right but it still doesnt have a game to sell so its not gonna be a console mover. Maybe they go exclusive content again but in a MP game, as we saw with Destiny already, that can divide the playerbase and just be a fuck up in the end.
So i still think of it as a f2p title, one with paid content of course.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Leyasu
Banned
Yeah ok. Everyone saying the right things until the games actually get announced once the deals are finalized. We will see
DJ12
Member
I think everyones shit stinks with money hatting.
But in the most part, everyone gets to play eventually, so I'm generally OK with that, but I would say that as Sony money hat shit I like, like FF7.
ethomaz
Banned
The game is sold on stores.
You need to buy it.
You need to pay $80 to play Destiny 2 over the “F2P” base.
Every year is the same… $70-80 to play Destiny over the “F2P” base.
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GHG
Gold Member
I also believe Phil Spencer.
That means Call of Duty and Destiny for everyone.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
kingfey
Banned
I remember a handsome tall guy, who said the same thinng.
New IPs would be exclusive. Existence IPs would be multiplatform. Meaning destiny 2 is multiplatform. But not destiny 3. That would be Sony exclusive, like Starfield, ES6.
DJ12
Member
And when it's not?
I mean it's pretty much not already, but when you officially hold the xbox game in your hand?
Crimson_Fate
Member
Sony must feel that their next MMO ( matter) which is still in the oven is going to be a winner and that alone would make them their money back if true.
Leyasu
Banned
I don't know if you are mocking me or not. I don't mind if you are lol
Can you imagine Sony just letting Bungies next game arrive on Xbox day and date with all the trimmings? I just don't see it.
SLB1904
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kingfey
Banned
Isnt stock organic? So Sony spent organic stocks, to buy the company. Unlike MS, who spent cash.
Craig of War
Banned
So Sony bought them for 3.6 billion yet Bungie can do whatever they want and put new games on any platform they want wtf kind of deal is that
yurinka
Member
Bungie signed a deal with MS for Halo and gave MS the IP.
Bungie signed a deal with Activision for Destiny and gave them the IP and had to get it back.
Activision had a deal with Sony for Destiny to make it multi, and some small exclusives.
Sony acquired Bungie, which also means bought not only Bungie, but Destiny and all their future IPs.
Bungie is no longer a separate company from Sony, Bungie is now part of Sony.
Now Sony will have 2 publishers under SIE: PlayStation Studios and Bungie.
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kingfey
Banned
Leyasu
Banned
When it's day and date on Xbox, like all Microsofts new I.Ps are on Sony, I will then come back and eat some crow.
Until then, Bungies multiplatform future is Playstation/PC and Microsofts studios will be xbox/PC.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
No not mocking lmao. I don't believe future games will either.
A lot of people will use the Jim Ryan is a liar card when it comes to whether Spiderman 2 or Wolverine are PS5 exclusives, so I'm using it say Bungies games will be exclusive
DaGwaphics
Member
That one is absolutely hilarious. I guess they don't realize that Bungie stopped being a part of the Halo picture years ago.
GHG
Gold Member
NikuNashi
Member
Last gen.
Smoke6
Member
Man killzone 2 pre patch was the shits!!! I can only imagine what they’re capable of pulling off with that game now and not submitting to the crybabies about player movement when it was on point to begin with!
Ezekiel_
Banned
Craig of War
Banned
Is it really? spend 3.6 billion and yet Bungie still have total control does sony even own the Destiny IP now if not that a horrible deal
TheAmazingSpiderMan
Member
Ah yes, someone else who doesn’t know how to read, maybe try and read the article and understand why this purchase was made, they literally tell you what their plans are going forward and this has nothing to do with keeping bungie games as exclusives to PS platforms, rather they want more revenue streams going forward.Microsoft didn’t overpay for anything, they underpaid for a company down in value and only paid market price without a premium compared to what it was trading at before the public outcry, they got a bargain.
‘Future Bungie releases to remain multiplatform as well.’
If Sony thinks this is a bartering chip for CoD I’ve got news for you son
This get makes zero sense and is overpriced as fuck, I guess when nothings available you do what you need to do to look like you’re not doing nothing.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
elcapitano
Member
Companies say a lot of things that don't happen. Even then if future multiplat it may inky be PC + PS5 which Is smart for multiplayer games!
If it wants to die.
Interesting either way. One things for sure. Of these companies are putting out good games and making $$$ these big guys are gonna dump them.
Which will probably result in smaller companies being made from fired devs. The circle of life lol. I see this a circular type thing, eventually.
Which will probably result in smaller companies being made from fired devs. The circle of life lol. I see this a circular type thing, eventually.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
No. It's the same with Microsoft. The subsidiaries own the IPs. If Microsoft wanted to sell Zenimax tomorrow they'd need to negotiate to keep the IPs, otherwise they leave with Zenimax
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kingfey
Banned
Sony owns the IP. Since they own bungie.
This is the same thing as bethesda and activision. Xbox doesnt have control of those, MS does.
They are trying to separate their studios like MS. 3 publishers under MS gaming. That is what Sony is going for.
This would likely mean, a new publisher purchase.
Smoke6
Member
Devs are gonna start leaving and making more studios of the games we all want or new IPs! This is how I feel we get more studios out of acquisitions like this.
Craig of War
Banned
You better be right cause the more i read bout this deal the worst it seem for Sony that 3.6 billion could be better spent elsewhere