M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Ahh, good ol' Sony, never forget:
Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal - Wikipedia
Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal - Wikipedia
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ZehDon
Gold Member
Does Windows 10 have an in-built key logger that it transmits back to Microsoft HQ? Or do you mean the telemetry information that you can opt out of? Or do you mean the advertisement data you can opt out of? You’ll need to clarify and provide some very precise examples if you’re attempting to hand wave spying on customers as “everyone’s doing it”.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Jesus, the people defending this....
Edit: dammit, this is IGN India... total dogshit site even worse than regular IGN
Edit: dammit, this is IGN India... total dogshit site even worse than regular IGN
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jezhumphrey75
Banned
There's a better version of that picture...
link?
BaneIsPain
Member
Keep at it Sony. Make sure it applied for every games that ported to PC.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
This is fake as hell
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
What's to misinterpret? The language is actually pretty clear; 2 forms of data collection - limited stuff that is absolutely necessary for an online game, and a secondary opt-outable group that tracks in-game telemetry for heuristics and marketing.
I wish Win10 was half as transparent LOL.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Jesus Christ an actual key logger that beams the keystream to the mothership? The fuck is that? This is totally unacceptable - seems Sony hasn’t learned anything from their rootkit days.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Can't complain about this if you use Windows 10 which is factory spyware. It has a built in keylogger, called cortana.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Watch the video on the first page folks.
There is no key logger or file scanner other than what is normal for a game to do (check it’s own files, record what you are doing in the game.) The article is from IGN India, it’s basically a fake news site that licenses the IGN name.
It’s telemetry data; that’s it. Meaning statistics about how you are playing the game and interacting with the UI.
There is no key logger or file scanner other than what is normal for a game to do (check it’s own files, record what you are doing in the game.) The article is from IGN India, it’s basically a fake news site that licenses the IGN name.
It’s telemetry data; that’s it. Meaning statistics about how you are playing the game and interacting with the UI.
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DonJuanSchlong
Banned
I seriously wonder how much more data Sony collects on PlayStation users, since they can't really see what's going. They have been trying to build an AI assistant, so I'm sure they have been bleeding PS users of as much data as they can get.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Honestly I don’t give 2 shits on a console.
My PC has work documents, I sign into my bank account, etc.
But this article is a lie though so lol
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Data is data though. I wouldn't want it leaving my possession period. At least on PC when a new program is installed, it'll ask whether to allow or deny (default for me is no, unless I state otherwise. I know it my mic or camera is ever being used, etc.
On consoles, the camera can be used from time to time, same with mics, and three other shit doesn't really matter.
It's shitty either way it goes, and this is with the premise that this article holds any weight. Haven't really looked into whether it's legitimate or not. I just know it has no access outside of my computer.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Good guy Sony, saving your codes for you since 2021.
Cant they get a lawsuit on their backs because of this? They can steal passwords etc.
So you really don't think Sony could save the data in a crypted file and send it back when you reconnect to the net?
Cant they get a lawsuit on their backs because of this? They can steal passwords etc.
So you really don't think Sony could save the data in a crypted file and send it back when you reconnect to the net?
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Guilty_AI
Member
They don't specify which games or which types of games will use these forms of data collection, thus the current misunderstanding. They should have worded in a way that makes clear this is for online experiences and don't apply to single player modes.
Unless of course they still want to collect all that data even in their single player games.
Also, while its still shitty, win10 does allow to disable all forms of data collection.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You do know you could just have typed in your age right? They don't measure your age with your tiny weenie.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Pretty sure he'd have to cut it off and count the rings like a tree, to figure out the users age.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
in europe we all have big schlongs (not france)
so we have to use an ID
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Unknown?
Member
Probably just as much as Microsoft? They gave W10 away for free for a reason. Not defending this, it's freaking disgusting, but Windows is spyware. You can opt out of a lot of it and use power shell to completely remove Cortana but stock Windows is the definition of straight up spyware and even with all of that it still likes to phone home. Quite sad after all of their Scroogled ads.
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From a legal standpoint I guess its non-specific because the liable party is them as the receivers/holders of the data. Essentially the program is the tracking cookie so its locality is less significant than who's putting it there.
And there's plenty of reason to use telemetry in single-player games in order to get empirical data on user behaviours and preferences. So long as what is being forwarded is exclusively from within the program that seems fine, I'm less happy about them broadening the scope to things like seeing what other games you have installed so as to target marketing at you... but that's the internet generally these days.
The thing I'd stress most is that despite the more paranoiac readings of such things, the simple reality is that scraping too much data is just as big a liability for the collector as it is the user. At the end of the day Sony doesn't want your passwords and private stuff, its got no value to them as a business. Storing all that metadata is just more work to keep, and more importantly keep secure. Because if not, they are looking at severe legal penalty.
xrnzaaas
Member
Yeah it's awful. I just don't watch age-locked content since they introduced it, I don't even bother with the plug-ins to get around it.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Microsoft gives me the options to opt out, Sony on the other hand does not, and you have absolutely no say so to what data goes out or who Sony shares this data with. Bringing up Microsoft is a case of whataboutism, and deflection of the topic at hand. So in other words Sony is worse than Microsoft here, as you don't have a say so in the matter. You can't disable it. Trying to blame other companies does not help with Sony harvesting data of it's users and tracking what they do.
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Chris_Rivera
Member
Would that even be relevant? if the Sony exe isn’t receiving input commands once you tab out of focus, how is it recording them
Guilty_AI
Member
nope, SP supposedly offline games shouldn't enforce user non-game data collection regardless of what they want it for, and thats the end of it.
The only thing here that should be made clear(lol) is whether those mechanisms were in fact implemented in Days Gone or not.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
I know right? Refusing to send anything to google
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That isn't what's happening here though, at least in terms of the EULA shown in the vid at the top of the thread.
It explicitly offers an opt-out.
The data-sharing aspect of Days Gone comes in the form of the challenge modes which have online ranking and leader boards, so its not like the first part is without relevance.
Unknown?
Member
Sorry my dude going into the settings and opting out isn't good enough.
Not blaming other companies just laughing at Windows/Steam users complaining about spyware. It's comical.
Guilty_AI
Member
You mean the video i posted? What it offers isn't an opt-out, but a "limited" option that still collects stuff that shouldn't be necessary for a single player game.
If they use that data for challenges modes and rankings and whatnot, what they should do is offer a third option that shares absolutely nothing with Sony while also giving a warning "If you choose this option, some of this game's features may be disabled". Many are perfectly fine with that.
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DonJuanSchlong
Banned
It's even funnier that Sony fans are completely fine with letting Sony slurp up all your data, and being completely fine/complacent. Microsoft didn't get data from me, and I sure as hell won't let Sony spyware do the same. Not sure why anyone would be ok with this on a single player game, with no way to opt out.
This isn't the first time either, there was data collection on horizon as well. Sony better get with the times and change this. Especially before they bring all their games to PC.
Unknown?
Member
They didn't? Well I hope that is true. Windows takes a crap ton of tweaking to stop it from collecting data. Like you have to use the Ameliorated edition. Or you block their IP requests using a DNS sinkhole like Pi-Hole.
Which is pretty much what you have to do for this game or every other big tech company.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
It's the same thing when you set up your PS5: limited or full data collection are your only options. I would imagine since Sony fully controls the PS5 that they can collect data deeper and easier than on a 3rd party platform like windows.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Exactly, which doesn't make sense why people are trying to make a comparison.
First of all this thread ain't even about Microsoft or windows. It's specifically about Sony's anticonsumer practices with it's data collection.
At least on steam, I can turn off anti cheat if I want to, but I have the option. Hopefully enough people are vocal about this, so they can give a 3rd option to NOT correct ANY data on this game or all of their future releases. And hopefully that can trickle down to everyone with PlayStations, so they don't have to give up their data either.
yurinka
Member
Some games check out some of your in-game actions in the game to fill some game usage statistics for stuff like if some game area is too dificult because people dies there more than expected, if some game area is too boring because people quits there, if certain weapon is too strong or weak, if they need to put more ammo in certain area, if need to tone down some enemy type, where the people stops playing the game, etc. Basically aggregated data from all users, taken annonimously that later they use to rebalance and improve this game, or to take note for another future game.
Some other games check their own files to make sure they aren't damaged or to prevent piracy.
It doesn't mean they want to sell your personal info to marketing companies, goverments and intelligence agencies. As we know as a fact, companies like Microsoft, Google, Apple or Facebook and more do this for the USA agencies (+ other countries) via their OS, apps and devices, but not Sony.
And well, social media apps (not gaming companies) also get your info and sell it to marketing companies to target better their ads.
Some other games check their own files to make sure they aren't damaged or to prevent piracy.
It doesn't mean they want to sell your personal info to marketing companies, goverments and intelligence agencies. As we know as a fact, companies like Microsoft, Google, Apple or Facebook and more do this for the USA agencies (+ other countries) via their OS, apps and devices, but not Sony.
And well, social media apps (not gaming companies) also get your info and sell it to marketing companies to target better their ads.
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DonJuanSchlong
Banned
"But not Sony" my ass... They do sell your information just fyi, just not person data like your CC number for instance. Let's not pretend Sony is innocent here, as all tech companies collect data. It's just that some places give you an option, and some don't. Specifically with their games, you can't opt out of data collection.
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Holammer
Member
There's a known issues update on Steam which includes this:
"We are aware of the concern expressed by some players about the Data Collection Policy. Any personal information in the telemetry data is completely anonymized unless you specifically agree to Full & Limited Data."
Md Ray
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Holammer
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yurinka
Member
Didn't you read the last sentence of that screenshot? It says "PLEASE NOT THAT SONY.COM DOES NOT SELL YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION"."But not Sony" my ass... They do sell your information just fyi, just not person data like your CC number for instance. Let's not pretend Sony is innocent here, as all tech companies collect data. It's just that some places give you an option, and some don't. Specifically with their games, you can't opt out of data collection.
And yes, all websites collect data. If you create/use an user account on that website or app, make purchases there, or post comments and so on they need to store that info somehwere to make the website/apps work. Plus storing cookies and taking some announimous website/app statistics to keep improving it. All companies do that, including Sony.
It doesn't mean they will provide your personal it to the CIA and other agencies from the USA and other countries, and introduce on purpose security holes for these agencies to spy you, that is another thing that I mentioned that we know for sure that companies like Microsoft, Apple, Google or Facebook do in their devices, apps and operative systems. We saw a list of companies that agreeded that and Sony wasn't one of them.
Same goes with to sell your personal info to marketing agencies as social media companies like FB, Google or Twitter and so on do (basically annonimized, it's stuff like your demographics, country, tastes regarding many things to target their ads more accuratedly).
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DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Did you not read the quote that you are replying to? I literally said just that. Not personal data like CC info, but Sony is definitely selling your data, and you have no say so in the matter.
The companies you listed don't sell your PERSONAL data either. They would be sued to kingdom come if they ever tried that. But you said Sony doesn't sell your data, and my post prior was to prove that they in fact do sell it.