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[DF] Marvel's Avengers PS5 vs Xbox Series S/X
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Those images are good.I vehemently disagree with anyone that says this game isn't a graphical showcase, it is frankly pretty amazing looking at times.
I can only go off those preview videos of characters fighting on the broken bridge, but I thought the visuals looked great. Ya, that scene was scripted and you're funneled down a bridge, but graphically was solid.
waquzy
Member
Now imagine the Series X in Quality mode with VRR = pure ORGASM! Am I right Riky?!
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NullZ3r0
Banned
The PS4 version is using the CB. The PS5 version is also using CB. The Xbox versions don't use CB. They didn't re-write the rendering code. No developer does this and it's typical for "enhanced" versions of games so far this generation. They just port the engine to the newer consoles.
Fbh
Member
Natively I don't know, they don't mention it.
But the output resolution is usually higher than on the Series X version yet it doesn't result in a better image. Which is the point the video is making.
The most boring comparison ever still gets us a couple of meltdowns..
Dude we have 3 pages thread on the Yakuza Like a Dragon comparison.
A game that runs at the same res on both systems and with mean performance difference of 0.01 fps (59.89 on Ps5 59.9 on SX)
cyen
Member
For the ones that like to game with 2005 IQ.
nikolino840
Member
A summary?
JackMcGunns
Member
This can't be a serious post, come on! Ethomaz, you're better than this. Loading over a minute is a problem that the SSD has fixed by reducing the loading to mere seconds. One example shows 4:32 Vs 6:29, both are extremely quick to load compared to over a minute.
But lets be real here, 1:97 seconds is something you want glossed over? I get what you're saying about percentages, but it would actually be deceiving to use percentages for such small numbers, for example, in a scenario where it took 0.45 seconds on PS5 and 0.9 seconds on XSX, you can claim a 100% performance boost from PS5, but it reality it just loaded 1/2 second faster, anyone just looking at percentages would say HOLY SHIT 100% difference when 0.5s is basically nothing.
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Fulcizombie
Banned
The ps5 quality mode uses native resolution while the ps4 pro quality mode uses CB. So they actually removed CB from the quality mode thus your theory doesn’t have any weight . They kept CB in the performance mode for a reason.
Mr Moose
Member
It's native on the Pro in the other mode, so they just switched it around.
skneogaf
Member
I'd rather it load in 6 seconds instead of 4 seconds and have the game looking the best console wise.
The drops on playstation will unfortunately be noticeable whereas vrr will fix the two series versions.
Hopefully Sony come out with a vrr firmware soon as all three consoles keep having little performance dips on games.
The drops on playstation will unfortunately be noticeable whereas vrr will fix the two series versions.
Hopefully Sony come out with a vrr firmware soon as all three consoles keep having little performance dips on games.
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Krizalidx11
Banned
Anyone saying the game looks dated clearly never played it with HDR 4K, the visuals are breath-taking
Marvel's Avengers 2021 Next-gen update PC 4K ultra graphics HDR - YouTube
Marvel's Avengers 2021 Next-gen update PC 4K ultra graphics HDR - YouTube
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NullZ3r0
Banned
I was under the impression that both modes were CB for the PS5. I got nothing else, man! You got me.
I'm just trying to be fair and balanced. I knew the SX would start pulling away but I didn't expect it until all this cross gen fodder was gone.
Fulcizombie
Banned
Generally the cross gen theory is wrong anyway. Ultra powerfull PCs are running games better than the new consoles despite the games being cross gen. Being cross gen doesn’t mean that devs, aren’t trying their best to take advantage of every platform. If cross gen games were that easy to look and run flawlessly then every cross gen game would have been native4k/locked 60 fps on both ps5&XSX.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
For this game, you are correct.
DJ12
Member
Don't get it twisted, they say resolution doesn't matter because the epic dev public called them out about it.DF is is saying resolution "doesn't matter" because they are biased against Xbox?
Guess they cannot really argue the point when they failed at pixel counting the ue5 demo and had to ask.
Leyasu
Banned
Where were you when the parties were in full swing for the PS5 "wins" of the cross-gen launch games that were so potent, they had already maxed the XsX? Everything was on the table from Cerny sauce, to the XsX being the most bottlenecked system ever etc.. Carnival of stupidity doesn't even come close to an accurate description.
Anyway. I do agree that we shouldn't really be reading too much into the performance patches of cross-gen games
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Yeah
Video games wars have been a real thing since kids in school were fighting over TG16 vs Sega Genesis vs Snes.
We argue over everything gaming.
Fulcizombie
Banned
Why are people calling these things patches ? These are new ports not patches.
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Shodan09
Unconfirmed Member
Another convincing win for series X. They just keep adding up.
Popup
Member
I feel it would be great if DF did a video on the various scaling and upscaling techniques used in any particular platform. Richard recently pointed out just how much he admired and also wished to know more about the solution being used by Insomniac for Spider-Man.
We know from the past that first party studios often shared their gained knowledge and coding related efficiency gains with each other for the better good.
It would be good to see how Insomniacs methods stack up against other solutions out there.
I also think it would be great if DF did a few videos, to serve as a glossary of sorts about the various modern graphical features and how they have evolved or other general videos detailing the terms they use etc.
We know from the past that first party studios often shared their gained knowledge and coding related efficiency gains with each other for the better good.
It would be good to see how Insomniacs methods stack up against other solutions out there.
I also think it would be great if DF did a few videos, to serve as a glossary of sorts about the various modern graphical features and how they have evolved or other general videos detailing the terms they use etc.
Julius Ibidus
Member
don't you DARE say anything bad about the TG16!!!!!!
Lethal01
Member
That really doesn't matter. You can port from a version of a game that is made to run on a RTX 3090 but if you just ship it as soon as you have something that's running then that port isn't optimized from the console and isn't taking advantage of the hardware at all.
I'm sure this port is leaving some features of the hardware almost entirely untouched, and just last week devs for another port said they didn't do anything to optimize for the SSD's because what they got out of the box was good enough since it's just a port.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
Thanks for cropping out the part of the post that was the point of me replying to him.
Lethal01
Member
"saying this game isn't using the console's capabilities is patently false"
It's not false, this port isn't a good showcase of the console's capabilities, since it's just a port, it being a port of a PC game is irrelevant.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
It's absolutely false, there's several things in this version that aren't available in the last gen versions.
Saying it's not using the console's capabilities is 100% false and based on nothing.
Silent Viper
Banned
Give him burnol
SoloKingRobert
Banned
PlayStation 5 has the highest Resolution. Mark Cerny's Chequerboard Rendering technique puts DLSS to shame
Md Ray
Member
What's the problem?
Bumblebeetuna
Member
is he? Isn’t this the guy who tried to argue technical shit about Series X with an actual Series X engineer, only to spectacularly backpedal into the “oh I was just guessing, how can I be wrong???” defense. Look at his tag and his admitted PS fanboy shtick. Of course he is going to take issue if he feels DF doesn’t glorify a 2 second advantage in PS5 loading enough.
Alex said it was an advantage for PS5. He just didn’t say it was enough of an advantage for ethomaz to be happy.
intbal
Member
Kamala Khan is a D list character that Disney keeps trying to make happen. But she never will.
Marvel comics is full of characters that are actually popular. Any of them would have been a better choice.
MasterCornholio
Member
This isn't looking good for the PS5. The systems might be further apart then I think they were.
Leyasu
Banned
Because they ain't much more than that. They may use a few features of the new hardware, but real current games they are not.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
Because it suits an agenda when one console doesn’t win
Leyasu
Banned
I only have an XsX.. I thought that that version had "won" this fight no?
Aguero9320
Member
2 seconds 
It’s really come down to that level of desperation already???
It’s really come down to that level of desperation already???
cyen
Member
2 seconds
Just think everything you can do with those extra seconds. Every second counts.
BlackTron
Member
Both systems will deliver breathtaking, legit next-gen experiences with shockingly good graphics...once they fully shed the skin of last gen and new game development hits its stride.
And while waiting for that, we are so desperate for reassurances, that we squabble over the tiniest of minutia. And basing a whole gen purchase decision on how they run a last-gen game in performance mode. Now if PS5 was running several next-gen games with that kind of ugly CB problem it would definitely point out a hardware weakness. Let me know when that happens.
If you have lots of extra money, buy them both for crissakes...otherwise stop pretending like you can already call the next gen hardware race because of fucking Avengers, and wait for the real-life evidence of next gen games running on the systems...both the performance, and the content.
I would expect it to be something like SNES and Genesis, where each delivered their own games truly relevant to the gen, with a toss-up of hardware specs. Just because you got an SNES for Final Fantasy doesn't have to mean everyone who got a Genesis for Sonic is an idiot who doesn't understand quality. Regardless of the specs.
I think the PS5's SSD is a bigger deal than just "2 seconds", but I also think the same of Xbox's beefier specs. Neither one will smoke the other, they will each have their own hand to play.
And while waiting for that, we are so desperate for reassurances, that we squabble over the tiniest of minutia. And basing a whole gen purchase decision on how they run a last-gen game in performance mode. Now if PS5 was running several next-gen games with that kind of ugly CB problem it would definitely point out a hardware weakness. Let me know when that happens.
If you have lots of extra money, buy them both for crissakes...otherwise stop pretending like you can already call the next gen hardware race because of fucking Avengers, and wait for the real-life evidence of next gen games running on the systems...both the performance, and the content.
I would expect it to be something like SNES and Genesis, where each delivered their own games truly relevant to the gen, with a toss-up of hardware specs. Just because you got an SNES for Final Fantasy doesn't have to mean everyone who got a Genesis for Sonic is an idiot who doesn't understand quality. Regardless of the specs.
I think the PS5's SSD is a bigger deal than just "2 seconds", but I also think the same of Xbox's beefier specs. Neither one will smoke the other, they will each have their own hand to play.
MostScrumptionsYams
Banned
Of course the typical clowns parading around as Neutrals are in here. Most if not all of you were singing completely different tones up until the launch of these consoles. Only to become neutrals when the comparisons came out. It didn’t take much time for your inherent biases to spring back to the surface.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
JackMcGunns
Member
I mean he was pretty cool responding in a TV related thread, don't know him like that lol.
saintjules
Member
Damn spoilers.
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Shmunter
Member
When the CB is working well it should in theory be closer to 4k.One of the better from Alex imo, Higher res =/= Image quality. Too bad the gameplay seems boring because it looks damn good sometimes.
Also, whats going on in this scene? Lighting? The Series X has better IQ and text in other scenes:
Having seen the video, there seems to be no confirmation XsX is indeed rendering native. ?!? There seems to be insinuation it is using a type of TAA reconstruction? Have I missed something? Happy to take a quote or timestamp if wrong.
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