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Diablo 4 needs to be harder to start with | Should be more like Soulsborne | Or does it?
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
i got to act 3
it is hands down the worst fucking ARPG I have ever played,
99,9% of the drops are trash just utter trash.
i am still running a level 4 ring at level 29 ? because all that drops is hot garbo
my attacks feel weak, the gem system is mildly interesting
but wtf is the point if the loot sucks in a loot game?
enemy design looks like a d3 ripoff too
this game feels like a fanmade clone by someone that that thinks more = better
it's one of those horrible diablo 2 made community mods.
man i am going back to either wolcen or i am going to try last epoch.
Aguero9320
Member
Love Diablo, if they change it to be anything like Souls games I’m out. And it will become a much more niche game I think, like they are.
Can’t see it happening and sincerely hope it doesn’t.
Can’t see it happening and sincerely hope it doesn’t.
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
Pumped for Diablo 4 but BRING BACK THE REAL MONEY AUCTION HOUSE
nerdface
Banned
Diablo3 had a good line you could feel before death. It took some time to learn, but it’s very hard to kill a HC char.
I know you can keep pushing higher rifts, but you can tell when the math isn’t there. You have to fix something or probably die.
In that sense, it could be a little more difficult. I shouldn’t have to delete HC characters at the beginning of a new season to make room. On the other hand, it is nice you can learn the game after enough time, and have confidence you probably won’t die anymore.
I know you can keep pushing higher rifts, but you can tell when the math isn’t there. You have to fix something or probably die.
In that sense, it could be a little more difficult. I shouldn’t have to delete HC characters at the beginning of a new season to make room. On the other hand, it is nice you can learn the game after enough time, and have confidence you probably won’t die anymore.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
I'd prefer that. Its a little mindless.
You basically need solid dodging and blocking or having enemies that actually attack is kind of a bad idea.
You basically need solid dodging and blocking or having enemies that actually attack is kind of a bad idea.
As long as it keeps the physics engine. Love or hate D3 fuck it felt good to nuke shit. I tried poe just was not satisfying to hit a big attack never felt right unlike D3.
luffie
Member
I'm into more skilled based game, but I'm not sure how it will translate onto isometric action rpgs.
Other than stat building, the meta tactics available for such games has always been move in dash out, it works for any difficulty. As long as you can dash/teleport out and use long range attacks, higher difficulties are just more hp/damage.
Souls also have limited healing while Diablo have practically unlimited, so there's always that.
Other than stat building, the meta tactics available for such games has always been move in dash out, it works for any difficulty. As long as you can dash/teleport out and use long range attacks, higher difficulties are just more hp/damage.
Souls also have limited healing while Diablo have practically unlimited, so there's always that.
It's much more fun if they get the difficulty right. Too easy and it gets boring and I don't have to think about how I'm building and using my character.
IbizaPocholo
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Darlingcognito
Member
Fuck no it's not about difficulty it's about grinding for the loot.
HaveButOneLife
Banned
Less Soulsborne type of games please, that genre isn't fun imo, it's time to move on from that.
Diablo is its own thing. The step in the right direction was getting rid of the cartoon graphics, now all they need to do is get rid of the formulaic gameplay and add more features than just combat. That's my issue with these top down action RPG's they're not uh... RPG's.
Diablo is its own thing. The step in the right direction was getting rid of the cartoon graphics, now all they need to do is get rid of the formulaic gameplay and add more features than just combat. That's my issue with these top down action RPG's they're not uh... RPG's.
Belmonte
Member
I don't know about difficulty but I would be happy if they introduce more brawler mechanics in Diablo. I understand that the stats/equipment tinkering is what is the most important in the RPG loot focused genre and I don't want to change that but would be great if positioning, space awareness and enemy control was more important
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Diablo 1 was quite easy. The only problem I had (at that time) with this game was the butcher. But you could always "restart" the game with the current character and at least when you reach the butcher again, he was quite easy to beat. Just needed a bit more experience back than. In Diablo 1 there were different small quests, that could varied with every restart of the campaign. Even whole dungeons were not there in every run.
Diablo 2 ... forced you to "replay" it again and again, because if you left the game the levels etc. were resetted if you load your character again. This way you had to fight again against enemies you already have beaten if you didn't end at a new waypoint. And in the end you make Baalruns or something like that just to get new stuff. Very repetitive and always the same. Every quest, every dungeon, ... everything was the same, just the levels were generated (like in D1). Every run was exactly the same as the run before. Just the enemies could vary a bit.
Diablo 3 was somehow the same like Diablo 1, just that you could reskill yourself everywhere and -time you want. You make your runs, but at least you can use portals etc. to make it a bit more varied. Also "events" or little quests and dungeons can vary with every run.
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Really hate the sets item in D3 ROS . Its nuke all the unique build because sets gears is super bonker . They fix it recently with the ancient gear rings but I quit it long ago .
But D3 combat is very solid , it beat POE by mile . But POE beat it by miles with Build and unique gears.
Doesnt mean POE perfect though . ITs combat system have critical fault that cant be fix . Life leech and fast movement ability ruined POE combat . It seem fun at first but too much life leech and almost no-resource usage movement ability cause the game super easy (to dodge shit). So to make the game harder they implemented bullshit one shot mechanic for boss . Almost all the boss fight in POE is unfun POS with weird mechanic .
How to fix player life leech from 1% to full HP bar in 1 seconds ? Make the monster dealt damage from 100% to zero in less than 1 seconds . There they fixed it .
But D3 combat is very solid , it beat POE by mile . But POE beat it by miles with Build and unique gears.
Doesnt mean POE perfect though . ITs combat system have critical fault that cant be fix . Life leech and fast movement ability ruined POE combat . It seem fun at first but too much life leech and almost no-resource usage movement ability cause the game super easy (to dodge shit). So to make the game harder they implemented bullshit one shot mechanic for boss . Almost all the boss fight in POE is unfun POS with weird mechanic .
How to fix player life leech from 1% to full HP bar in 1 seconds ? Make the monster dealt damage from 100% to zero in less than 1 seconds . There they fixed it .
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Hari Seldon
Member
I played Diablo 3 when it came out and just kind of stopped playing after maxing a character. However I recently went back. With the new seasonal stuff guiding you on what to do, it is actually really fun. The adventure mode and the rifts and bounties make this game pretty sweet and gives you a reason to come back to it at the beginning of a new season. But yeah the campaign needs to be a shit ton better so people stick around for the end game. Way better writing, way better atmosphere, and some reliance on strategy rather than just coming up with builds.
Ulysses 31
Member
Oof, did you forget how hard Diablo III was on Hel difficulty at release before it got nerfed into the ground?
Hari Seldon
Member
They could look at a game like Hades for some inspiration as to how to make a isometric game skill based. I’m totally fine with ditching the clicky controls.
Trogdor1123
Member
I wish they did change it too. I'd like certain areas to be tougher, not just a dial you crank to 11 (with 12+ being added later) on the same things we have already dealt with... A hundred times
Braag
Member
Not everything needs to be "soulsborne" style.
Diablo 3 on release was very different from what it is now. Highest difficulty levels when the game was still fairly new were so hard that you had to have some of the best gear in the game to even get through the first chapters. Good gear was also hard to come by as Blizzard tried to get people to use the real money auction house so it made a lot of people quit playing as the difficulty wall was way too high to get to higher difficulty levels to get better gear and not everyone wanted to spend RL money.
I quit back then as well, cause my character ran out of gold from all the repairs from dying and I didn't want to grind for gold for hours on end as repairing was so costly.
Diablo 3 on release was very different from what it is now. Highest difficulty levels when the game was still fairly new were so hard that you had to have some of the best gear in the game to even get through the first chapters. Good gear was also hard to come by as Blizzard tried to get people to use the real money auction house so it made a lot of people quit playing as the difficulty wall was way too high to get to higher difficulty levels to get better gear and not everyone wanted to spend RL money.
I quit back then as well, cause my character ran out of gold from all the repairs from dying and I didn't want to grind for gold for hours on end as repairing was so costly.
Diablo 3 is much easier than what i remember of Diablo 1. Just run through everything without thinking in D3 a lot of the time. Upping the difficulty makes some enemies 1 hit kill you while others are still easy. It never feels quite right to me. In Diablo 2 I'm talking about when you first start playing it through. It's actually fun and interesting starting out. Path of Exile also has this issue where it starts out too easy and I lose interest before I get further in. I don't need to think about my build/equipment/strategy much if everything's just getting blown away.
Record of Lodoss War on Dreamcast got it right. That game was tactical and there was a lot of scope for experimentation for different situations and you'd need to at times.
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