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DUKE NUKEM FOREVER |OT| Spank One For The Good Guys
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Neuromancer said:
That he's not a minuteman and can't release when we ask him to.
Then he'd press E to pick up a new weapon since his pstiol was out of ammo and drop the pistol because he can no longer carry a small army in terms of guns. Then hide behind cover because his vision was blurred by red strawberry jam until his vision cleared.
It's happened several times for me. Hitman: Blood Money demo was the first time I played anything of the series, and I thought it was terrible. A friend had to convince me to try the full game, and I became hooked.DryvBy2 said:
Bioshock demo disappointed me too. I was hyped for the game, but the demo was disappointing since it was so linear and scripted. Fortunately full game ended being much more open ended.
And in general, most demos are way too short for you to be able to properly judge them.
It's definitely happened before.DryvBy2 said:
The most striking example is System Shock 2. One of my favorite games of all time, but I didn't really enjoy the demo much at all.
Wow, really? I thought the original Bioshock made an incredibly strong impression.
kurtrussell
Banned
Random Duke Musings:
1 - Why is everyone moaning about the graphics? I played both the PS3 and PC versions and neither looked terrible. Probably the worst thing about the graphics was the water effects that just looked like blocks of white / blue when you used the water fountain.... apart from that, I don't see a great difference from the last FPS games I played - Bulletstorm on the PS3 and Crysis on PC. Bottom line, I think it looks way better than Source in Portal 2. I hope they optimise the engine a bit more though - I'm chugging with everything turned on at 1920 res with 2 x SLId GTS 450s
2 - Wouldn't any gamer who has the most remote interest in Duke buy the BOS edition even if they hate the game? At this stage, it's not about the game, it's about the event, and that collectors edition looks great, it has a ton of Duke stuff that I'd get use out of - the game is almost a bonus
Plus, it'll increase in value as a piece of gaming history won't it?
3 - What is the deal with Broussard? When all the original 3DRealms stuff was going down, he didn't reference it at all on twitter, instead he just kept tweeting about how much he was winning at poker etc etc. Is he not just a teensy weensy bit POd about the way this has ended for him? Someone stole his baby, and not only is he apparently quite placid about the situation, but also promoting it by actively giving away Xbox 360 Duke3D codes and early access codes over his Twitter. Also, one minute he tweets about the game as if he is just a regular GAF member who doesn't really know what to expect, and the other he speaks as if he has a bunch of insider knowledge about details of the game and how great it is going to be.... wouldn't he at least have access to builds through "industry friends" at Gearbox? Yanno, the same place he's getting all his early access codes he's giving away? But mostly - Broussard: What, why, How, who, and is he even still working on games?
4 - I would pay double the price of the collectors edition if it came with a DVD that contained all the WIP builds of DNF. I feel like I'm playing one interation of the game, but not the 3 or 4 games that were in various states of completion. I'd love to see the 2001 demo build, the early unreal builds and the quake 3 builds too. I (like I imagine most are) will be justifying this purchase as an item of curiosity and historical value - a disc illustrating exactly how we got to this point would be the cherry on the top of the icing on the cake....
1 - Why is everyone moaning about the graphics? I played both the PS3 and PC versions and neither looked terrible. Probably the worst thing about the graphics was the water effects that just looked like blocks of white / blue when you used the water fountain.... apart from that, I don't see a great difference from the last FPS games I played - Bulletstorm on the PS3 and Crysis on PC. Bottom line, I think it looks way better than Source in Portal 2. I hope they optimise the engine a bit more though - I'm chugging with everything turned on at 1920 res with 2 x SLId GTS 450s
2 - Wouldn't any gamer who has the most remote interest in Duke buy the BOS edition even if they hate the game? At this stage, it's not about the game, it's about the event, and that collectors edition looks great, it has a ton of Duke stuff that I'd get use out of - the game is almost a bonus
Plus, it'll increase in value as a piece of gaming history won't it?3 - What is the deal with Broussard? When all the original 3DRealms stuff was going down, he didn't reference it at all on twitter, instead he just kept tweeting about how much he was winning at poker etc etc. Is he not just a teensy weensy bit POd about the way this has ended for him? Someone stole his baby, and not only is he apparently quite placid about the situation, but also promoting it by actively giving away Xbox 360 Duke3D codes and early access codes over his Twitter. Also, one minute he tweets about the game as if he is just a regular GAF member who doesn't really know what to expect, and the other he speaks as if he has a bunch of insider knowledge about details of the game and how great it is going to be.... wouldn't he at least have access to builds through "industry friends" at Gearbox? Yanno, the same place he's getting all his early access codes he's giving away? But mostly - Broussard: What, why, How, who, and is he even still working on games?
4 - I would pay double the price of the collectors edition if it came with a DVD that contained all the WIP builds of DNF. I feel like I'm playing one interation of the game, but not the 3 or 4 games that were in various states of completion. I'd love to see the 2001 demo build, the early unreal builds and the quake 3 builds too. I (like I imagine most are) will be justifying this purchase as an item of curiosity and historical value - a disc illustrating exactly how we got to this point would be the cherry on the top of the icing on the cake....
Bel Marduk
Banned
I refuse to believe this game is actually releasing. It's impossible!
dark10x said:
Everything I've seen makes it seem like a game from the 90s, but from that weird period in the 90s between D3D/Quake and HL2, where devs didn't know exactly what to do with the genre and were experimenting, and a lot of those experiments turned out underwhelming.
kurtrussell said:
A fool and his money are soon parted. The gameplay matters more than the extras.
and that collectors edition looks great, it has a ton of Duke stuff that I'd get use out of - the game is almost a bonus
Sad. Given the game is a mess of 13 years.
Sure, on "how not to do a game."
Who cares? Broussard is the reason the game was delayed for 13 years. I hope he never works in the industry again. His "we gotta make the best game ever!" reasoning was the downfall for the development of this game. He is not fit to be in a position of creating games on time.
I played the game maxed out completely, FXAA included and it did indeed look like ass.
It's kinda funny people regard this as some sort of massive gaming event. It's infamous for incompetent developers ( Some may agree / disagree on the specifics of that ), then it's shrugged off to other developers to finish it off in a few months. It'll be forgotten in no time and mentioned whenever someone needs to mock another game for long development times.
It's kinda funny people regard this as some sort of massive gaming event. It's infamous for incompetent developers ( Some may agree / disagree on the specifics of that ), then it's shrugged off to other developers to finish it off in a few months. It'll be forgotten in no time and mentioned whenever someone needs to mock another game for long development times.
Zomba13
Member
kurtrussell said:Random Duke Musings:
1 - Why is everyone moaning about the graphics? I played both the PS3 and PC versions and neither looked terrible. Probably the worst thing about the graphics was the water effects that just looked like blocks of white / blue when you used the water fountain.... apart from that, I don't see a great difference from the last FPS games I played - Bulletstorm on the PS3 and Crysis on PC. Bottom line, I think it looks way better than Source in Portal 2. I hope they optimise the engine a bit more though - I'm chugging with everything turned on at 1920 res with 2 x SLId GTS 450s
2 - Wouldn't any gamer who has the most remote interest in Duke buy the BOS edition even if they hate the game? At this stage, it's not about the game, it's about the event, and that collectors edition looks great, it has a ton of Duke stuff that I'd get use out of - the game is almost a bonus
3 - What is the deal with Broussard? When all the original 3DRealms stuff was going down, he didn't reference it at all on twitter, instead he just kept tweeting about how much he was winning at poker etc etc. Is he not just a teensy weensy bit POd about the way this has ended for him? Someone stole his baby, and not only is he apparently quite placid about the situation, but also promoting it by actively giving away Xbox 360 Duke3D codes and early access codes over his Twitter. Also, one minute he tweets about the game as if he is just a regular GAF member who doesn't really know what to expect, and the other he speaks as if he has a bunch of insider knowledge about details of the game and how great it is going to be.... wouldn't he at least have access to builds through "industry friends" at Gearbox? Yanno, the same place he's getting all his early access codes he's giving away? But mostly - Broussard: What, why, How, who, and is he even still working on games?
4 - I would pay double the price of the collectors edition if it came with a DVD that contained all the WIP builds of DNF. I feel like I'm playing one interation of the game, but not the 3 or 4 games that were in various states of completion. I'd love to see the 2001 demo build, the early unreal builds and the quake 3 builds too. I (like I imagine most are) will be justifying this purchase as an item of curiosity and historical value - a disc illustrating exactly how we got to this point would be the cherry on the top of the icing on the cake....
1. The game doesn't look horrible but also not great. It's average looking. The water is shit though. Like horrible. I had everything max at 1680x1050 on a GTX285 and everything was smooth. I do think Portal 2 looks loooooooooooooads better than this.
2. I decided against the Balls of Steel edition as while the bust is pretty cool, it comes with stuff I don't really want. Like cards and dice and poker chips. I'd have rather they had a making of DVD and book or something.
4. Yes. Agree 100%. I would love to own all the iterations of DNF, or at least a playable section from each iteration.
I hated the Infamous demo so much that I was thinking about not getting it. I'm glad I bought the game cause it was awesome; However, I don't see how certain things from the DNF demo can be fixed. The two weapon limit and the poor map design. Also the shrink ray seems pointless, even if you shrink enemies they still do normal damage. What's the point of using it? Since there is a weapon limit, why use the shrink ray? It's things like that what really bothers me. It's just something about it that doesn't give me hope for the full game. I will wait till the full game is released to really judge it but I'm not getting the game at release.DryvBy2 said:
kurtrussell
Banned
Hazanko said:
That is actually a really good point! Something tells me that the Shrink Ray in it's current state would most likely carve it's niche in multiplayer.....
Thinking about it - they should have just released the DNF demo as a duke multiplayer deathmatch around a level, a bit like the old Return to Castle Wolfenstein demo. That would have given more lifespan, and the opportunity to properly explore a map without all the distractions. Also, the weapons limit and mediocre-ish graphics wouldn't have been so much of a big deal either....
I guess I'm in the minority, but I think the game looks great graphically. I got the demo some hours later so I read everybody saying it looked like shit. Then I played the demo and I got this:
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/TzarSectus/DNF/DukeForeverDemo2011-06-0312-18-42-01.jpg
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/TzarSectus/DNF/DukeForeverDemo2011-06-0411-23-16-50.jpg
Looks good to me.
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/TzarSectus/DNF/DukeForeverDemo2011-06-0312-18-42-01.jpg
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/TzarSectus/DNF/DukeForeverDemo2011-06-0411-23-16-50.jpg
Looks good to me.
It sounds like the shrink ray inadequacies could be partially remedied by allowing the player to equip more than two weapons simultaneously. When you are limited to two firearms, you only keep the two most useful pieces of equipment at any given time. If the level design isn't forcing it's use upon players then no one will use it at all. At least with a full selection of weapons you could whip it out when you're bored.
Neuromancer
Member
Why is that funny? It is a massive gaming event.Sethos said:
kurtrussell
Banned
MjFrancis said:
Duke approves of this double entendre
Neuromancer
Member
Oh ffsSethos said:
Guys a new trailer was just put out like an hour ago.
Demo aside... this game truly does look fun.
http://gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-duke-nukem/714507
Getting pumped up again..
Demo aside... this game truly does look fun.
http://gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-duke-nukem/714507
Getting pumped up again..
Why would you do that?
Member
You know, I can understand the graphics complaints because I guess some people really like their graphics, but Gearbox didn't really make DNF. I can't see why people expect it to look like Bulletstorm.
Also, did someone just imply they expected DNF's graphics to rival Crysis's? Huh...
Also, did someone just imply they expected DNF's graphics to rival Crysis's? Huh...
Yeah, that sounds short sighted. But sadly, that's 3D Realms to blame.Hazanko said:
My B, I posted the wrong video. Edited my post.
Fudzilla posted about the video today, but then upon checking the comments... the video was released on June 2nd. Sorry gang. Video still looks good, I never saw it.
http://fudzilla.com/games/item/22976-duke-nukem-forever-gets-a-new-trailer
Fudzilla posted about the video today, but then upon checking the comments... the video was released on June 2nd. Sorry gang. Video still looks good, I never saw it.
http://fudzilla.com/games/item/22976-duke-nukem-forever-gets-a-new-trailer
As for the entire graphics debate, I'm thinking we're on the graphics vs aesthetics thing. The game's graphics aren't "Oh my god, bad bad bad!" they are just bog standard and generic. The problem with the game is indeed the style, it just doesn't have any heart, it just looks so completely forgettable.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3201-Graphics-vs-Aesthetics
That's the main problem with the game, in my opinion.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/3201-Graphics-vs-Aesthetics
That's the main problem with the game, in my opinion.
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Keep in mind you can order off D2D with a friend referral code for an additional 15% off, bringing the price down to around $37.
Either have a friend send you a referral code, or feel free to use mine:
3E047D1758A37E0C94574378811BD940
Use it on checkout. Sinc the game is Steamworks, it will be activatable on Steam.
Disclaimer: this is my personal referral link. This code gives you 15% off your purchase, and supposedly gives me a coupon at the end of the month for 20% off. I really couldn't care less about the additional 5% off, so feel free to send yourself a referral link or get your friends to send one to you. I'm just posting it here for convenience.
You can do this for any D2D game, btw.
BaronLundi
Member
Lo-fidelity Allstars ? Louis XIV ?
Excellent choice of tunes for the trailers. I'm impressed.
Excellent choice of tunes for the trailers. I'm impressed.
Neuromancer
Member
Haha awesomeBadabing said:
Can we have a separate thread of speculationon how this game is awful and give people their own special soapbox to shit on DNF elsewhere? Oh wait there is the demo thread.
I'm looking fondly forward to next week to play this day one, for a single player FPS romp of wacky tabacky beefjerky explosion tits of flames. Demo be damned and damn the hate.
I'm looking fondly forward to next week to play this day one, for a single player FPS romp of wacky tabacky beefjerky explosion tits of flames. Demo be damned and damn the hate.
Neuromancer
Member
Buckethead
Banned
Mmm... Kathy Ireland...
The first part of the demo looks pretty good with crisp textures and some nice lighting. The second part looks pretty awful, with horrible low res textures and blocky geometry. When we go inside, I think the graphics improve a bit, and there are some nice specular effects. Really it's just inconsistent: like some areas got an extra art pass and some didn't. Equally some of the effects look absolutely awful (eg. ship spontaneously morphing into wreckage), and some look just fine (eg. the rain and particle effects during the stadium battle). The game is just extremely rough around the edges.Sectus said:
As far as the gameplay goes, I feel like we haven't actually seen much of it, really. We've seen a few 'filler' encounters with one enemy type at a time - which could be from any FPS, but no major battles. So I don't think you can pass a definitive verdict on how the game plays yet.
Personally speaking I think the Ripper, Shotgun and RPG are very satisfying to use, with the other weapons being less so. And I actually like the Half-Life 2 style level design, which is mostly missing from shooters today. DNF can fill a nice niche if it offers a long and very varied single player experience, broken up with 'mini puzzles' and other elements of interactivity.
Well this thread didn't take long to fall to shit.
If this game came out when it was supposed to, alongside stuff like Quake 4 and Prey, people would have considered it above average. There is no reasonable way Gearbox could have overhauled the engine and remade all of the assets in more modern standards without spending 2-3 more years on it, and that would completely defy the point of finishing this in the first place. So their only option was put together what was done and finally get it out or not release the game at all. I'm glad they did, and people who can't get over their "2011 standards" and appreciate the game for what it is are free to ignore it. This game isn't for you.
It's hardly above criticism, I hated a lot of things about the demo. The 2 weapon limit was terrible. The depth of field was annoying. Some of the animations are hilariously poor, etc.
However I loved the feel of the weapons like the Ripper and the RPG, some of the effects were actually pretty nice (like the rain drenched stadium and the caves), the one-liners are amusing, the "duke-vision" is one of the coolest NVG effects I've ever seen, things blow up and gib in a really satisfying way, and laser trip mines are a blast to play with.
It's clear this game is going to get torn to shreds in the reviews but it would be nice if people were a little more reasonable with their expectations - at least until the final game is out. The demo is nearly a year old and uses assets from, like 2003. The trailers though, look quite decent and a lot of fun.
If this game came out when it was supposed to, alongside stuff like Quake 4 and Prey, people would have considered it above average. There is no reasonable way Gearbox could have overhauled the engine and remade all of the assets in more modern standards without spending 2-3 more years on it, and that would completely defy the point of finishing this in the first place. So their only option was put together what was done and finally get it out or not release the game at all. I'm glad they did, and people who can't get over their "2011 standards" and appreciate the game for what it is are free to ignore it. This game isn't for you.
It's hardly above criticism, I hated a lot of things about the demo. The 2 weapon limit was terrible. The depth of field was annoying. Some of the animations are hilariously poor, etc.
However I loved the feel of the weapons like the Ripper and the RPG, some of the effects were actually pretty nice (like the rain drenched stadium and the caves), the one-liners are amusing, the "duke-vision" is one of the coolest NVG effects I've ever seen, things blow up and gib in a really satisfying way, and laser trip mines are a blast to play with.
It's clear this game is going to get torn to shreds in the reviews but it would be nice if people were a little more reasonable with their expectations - at least until the final game is out. The demo is nearly a year old and uses assets from, like 2003. The trailers though, look quite decent and a lot of fun.
Samurai Penguin
Member
I really hope this is based on the demo build and these screens aren't from the final retail build....
http://www.gamesaktuell.de/Duke-Nuk...and-Xbox-360-versions-827565/galerie/1525708/
If they are from the retail build, I think I'll cancel my 360 pre-order. The lack of AA and Shadows, especially in the 360 pics are truly horrendous
http://www.gamesaktuell.de/Duke-Nuk...and-Xbox-360-versions-827565/galerie/1525708/
If they are from the retail build, I think I'll cancel my 360 pre-order. The lack of AA and Shadows, especially in the 360 pics are truly horrendous
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
ColdBlooder said:
Lawdy, is that a Quake II weapon model?
Still, so excited for this. Imma blow it out my ass.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
luka said:
Still, the aesthetics of a certain day and age are limited to those places for a reason. They do 'grow old'.
And as for people not checking their expectations... what else would be new?
I am looking forward to the differences in opinions though. This game, if anything, will divide the masses.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
My Kick-Ass Edition shipped yesterday. Should be here by Saturday I guess. I've been waiting 14 years for this, and now I'll finally be able to play DNF. B-b-b-b-b-balls of balls of balls of balls of steel.
