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sendit
Member
Sea of Thieves is officially Microsoft’s “most successful new IP” of the generation
Sea of Thieves player count continues to grow
www.pcgamesn.com
Regardless on how you feel about the game. They have earned it. (Personally I think the game is hot garbage)
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I won't be surprised. Their silence pretty much looks like it.
Negotiator101
Member
Check off the box that says be like Zelda? Were it so easy.
yurinka
Member
I wouldn't call it "development hell", I'd call it "too early announced and too impatient fans".
If last year the Rare guy said they were still figuring out the gameplay it just means they still need some years of development more, specially when it's an AAA, a new IP for and the first game of the team for a new gen. Which is normal, this kind of big games need several years of development.
It's ok and people shouldn't pressure them, better to take their time and don't crunch too much or to release a rushed half assed game. MS and Xbox needs big exclusives that are great when released.
MS announced games that were going to be released on a distant future because they only had a few important exclusives to be released soon after these confernces, that's all.
Expect Everwild for 2023 or 2024, instead of expecting it for 2021 or early 2022.
If last year the Rare guy said they were still figuring out the gameplay it just means they still need some years of development more, specially when it's an AAA, a new IP for and the first game of the team for a new gen. Which is normal, this kind of big games need several years of development.
It's ok and people shouldn't pressure them, better to take their time and don't crunch too much or to release a rushed half assed game. MS and Xbox needs big exclusives that are great when released.
MS announced games that were going to be released on a distant future because they only had a few important exclusives to be released soon after these confernces, that's all.
Expect Everwild for 2023 or 2024, instead of expecting it for 2021 or early 2022.
CamHostage
Member
Sea of Thieves release in March of 2018, three years ago, and it has been supported as a major GAS title in the time since. So, it's not like Everwild has been a front-burner project for five years now.
It can be frustrating to think that Microsoft chose to show it so early when it's not really a tangible product yet, but that's part of the fun of a new console unveiling, all these glimpses of the future that developers are planning (hoping?) to deliver. It's teasy. but it's also exciting, and informative. We know what's on Rare's mind, we know what it thinks it can provide on a next-gen engine (and maybe/maybe not past-gen, depending on which version of Xbox.com is up on a given day...), we know they're getting back into fantasy and magic and wonder after not being in that space for a while, we know MS trusts them to make a brand new IP, we know a little bit about what the concepts they're aiming to bring to the game... We're in on the process.
If you're mad at MS for over-promising that this is a "game" to make plans for (including choosing which console to buy) to instead of a "project" to take interest in if you are a Rare fan or enjoyed the teaser, then be mad at MS. Maybe the company made a mistake showing it too early to a general audience. But Rare is just working on their work. Hopefully things are going okay.
Plus, if MS hadn't cooked up not-at-all-gameplay teasers for Everwild and Fable and Avowed and State of Decay 3 and Perfect Dark... what would they have done instead? "Hey, you know that Grounded thing we showed two or three times before? Now, here it is in 4K!! So, pre-order Xbox Project Scarlet now!"
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Everwild likely didn't start full time production until shortly before the first trailer, SoT for what I recall was announced at just one year in full development back at E3 2015 and was released almost three years later in March 2018. Considering the nature of the game and the fact that it was released as a barebones, most of the company must have worked on for updates for a year at least, consdering that it was until almost a year later or so that the game was considered in a much better state. So yes, it was announced pretty early.
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Something to be said for Nintendo's game development methods. But you don't make something that looks cool, before you come up with a game play idea, mechanics and what not. You may as well just make a Pixar movie.
Not surprised at all. The game, was never a game. Microsoft was desperate to show things and showed this.
Not surprised at all. The game, was never a game. Microsoft was desperate to show things and showed this.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Sea of thieves outsold horizon zero dawn and deaths stranding on Steam first month. You can dislike something, but that doesn't make it bad.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
How long did it take Sea of Thieves to get to an acceptable level after its release again?
I guess we can pretend the No Mans Sky launch didn't happen too eh?
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Hezekiah
Banned
2023. That's why we're hearing about Microsoft making deals with third-parties, and the hard push towards backwards compatibility.
TheGodfather07
Member
its rare. they took like 5 years on barebones sea of thieves. i get sad when i remember how great their games used to be in comparison to them today. not only do they take forever to make anything these days but when they finally release something, its disappointing.
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Krappadizzle
Member
Tbf, Sea of Thieves is in an AWESOME state right now though. At launch though, def. was barebones as hell, but it's grown into a genuinely really fun game to play with buddies. I still think Rare has a lot of talent and a ton to offer, they've just been massively underutilized for the last damn 15 years or so. They def. aren't the fucking development powerhouse they were in the 90's, but I think there output the last few years across their ports and Sea of Thieves has been pretty good. Shame though that SoT is still judged on it's launch state.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
WTF did I just read? Rare killed it with SoT, it's a brilliant game with huge content sustain for a long time now. It also has a great fanbase and success since launch and today still. I'll take 10 more thanks Rare.
Gaming side cracks me up sometimes.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Man you guys have selective memory when it comes to game launches
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I get it was a light launch but for a new IP and not the "normal" multiplayer experience Rare deserve leg room, look at that they create. SoT launched to success (a less content rich launch but a complete and working game nonetheless). It has gone from strength to strength.
Your post calls for studio heads at Rare to go. I see SoT as proof they should have more investment and creative licence. I'll happily take the launch and run to present day that SoT enjoys with Everwild. You seem to think that's a bad thing.
Hayabusabruh
Member
This shit gonna get cancelled quicker than a celeb calling Demi Dovato "SHE".
NullZ3r0
Banned
You missed the point. My comment was about MS faux-diversity culture that leads to groupthink and an atmosphere where everyone works in an echo-chamber. There's probably no one at Rare who can say, "This is a dumb idea for a game."
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Yes they should go. They spent ages making a new IP only to launch it in a pathetic state requiring even more investment and boosted labour from MS to fix it
And now they're seemingly making the same mistakes yet again. Are they seriously expecting MS to save their ass everytime they fail?
Rare in its current form doesnt need more creative freedom. It needs someone to come in to help them get their act together.
Halo infinte might launch to critical acclaim. Its not going to change the fact that bonnie ross and others responsible need to go
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
You consider SoT a failure?
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
They failed at launch massively yes. Just because its a success now doesn't change that
sendit
Member
The game has legs. Just like No Mans Sky. Longevity is something a lot of games don't have.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
They only have legs because they dedicated even more resources to fixing their flops.
That's not a good business strategy
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sendit
Member
A game having legs is not a good business strategy? Regardless on how the launch has turned out. I'm sure SoT and No Man's Sky have made the developers quite a bit of money post-launch with the support given to it. As opposed to just dropping support because the launch was a failure.
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TheGodfather07
Member
i guess expecting the golden years rare again is asking for too much. it was a long time ago and has well passed and is also a very high bar. though they are still a very talented studio and im always eager to see their next project. i am worried though about everwild with how slow rare seem to be with development. if we dont see it at all ths year, than we wont be seeing this game release for a long time.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Calling it an average game is laughable, it's the lowest bottom of the garbage bin of gaming right now and should be always known as the worst game of last generation and this current generation. It makes Anthem a GOTY game.
sendit
Member
What? NoRead again
You didn't read my last two sentences which addressed your obvious reaching concerns.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
I read them. It doesn't address anything. It's irrelevant to the fact that banking on "legs" to justify a bad launch is a bad business strategy. Period.
You think its a good business strategy for Rare to ship Everwild in the same barebones state as Sea of Thieves and hope it'll get the same legs as with some post launch support?
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Balducci30
Member
I don’t mind that they showed a glimpse of it - it didn’t really blow me away graphically enough to be like “whoa next gen!” But I get why they showed it - I just think they shouldn’t focus on showing it for a while until it’s like ready to be seen fully formed
Dolomite
Member
I want this game to be great. I love Rare, and I like that MS is willing to throw money at risky ventures. At the same time my patience is wearing as thin as my confusion is growing.
Delay it, cancel it or reveal it (actually reveal something that's able to be understood this time)
WHAT
IS
THIS
GAME
Delay it, cancel it or reveal it (actually reveal something that's able to be understood this time)
WHAT
IS
THIS
GAME
Dolomite
Member
Damn.... took an opportunity to discuss the thread topic, and chose to derail with fanboyish stupidity
You showed show much promise
Havoc2049
Member
SoT has been a hit for Rare and Microsoft since day one and the game has only gotten better. Rare recently announced they hit 20 million players.
From Wikipedia:
Sea of Thieves is a commercial success. The title attracted more than 1 million players two days after it released.[126] During its week of release, it was the best-selling retail game in the UK,[127] and it became the second best-selling game in the US in March 2018 behind Far Cry 5.[129] On 28 March 2018, Microsoft declared the game as the fastest-selling new IP released for the Xbox One.
The first major content drop came two months after launch and there has been a steady stream of content since then. Rare has also been hinting at a major content drop with in game hints over the last several months. It'll probably be announced at E3.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
It got 1 million players at launch thanks to being free on gamepass and numbers dropped off a cliff until they started actual content in the game
Some cosmetic updates and the tenticle of a kraken. Real major update there LMAO
I'm not saying the game isn't doing great now, but at launch, and months after, it was a piece of shit.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Entire article is based off this with no proof. The game was never meant to be close to release when VGC covered it. Sounds like a throwaway comment with no evidence at all.
Rare’s Scarlett adventure game ‘will be announced at X019’ | VGC
Microsoft will reportedly reveal new IPs from Rare and Obsidian…www.videogameschronicle.com
Rare announces Everwild, a “truly original” new IP led by Conker artist | VGC
Adventure game is set in a “natural and magical world.”…
damn what journalism
GymWolf
Member
Does the game still has that ultra basic melee combat?! Or they introduced new mechanics?
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
It's still the same wonky combat since launch. All they've done since then is balance updates
KungFucius
King Snowflake
How about removing it from the internet. I just checked. First page Nintendo thread subtitle is Trans Rights are Always Human Rights | Free Palestine. Why would people want that shit in their gaming discussion? How do I know these rumors aren't just some random political statement? I mean the threads read like, let's discuss games, sex changes and genocide, or someone seeking online therapy littered with bans of people crying "WTF is this shit?"
Banjo64
cumsessed
True facts, but no one can retroactively change that. What matters is that they didn’t abandon the project, and instead fixed it and made it an extremely entertaining game. I’m glad it’s had the legs it’s had on Steam etc.
Regarding Everwild, the game was clearly shown off way to early. It’s now leading to increased scrutiny. Is 2/3 years pre-production a long time? I genuinely don’t know. If it’s been in full development for 2 years though we should be looking at maybe a 2023 release date?
I like Rare having the freedom to do what they want, they make unique games. They’ve also reportedly got 3 projects on the spin, one being lead by Gregg Mayles (who’s been ‘never say nevering’ BK on Twitter)...
Krappadizzle
Member
Rare and Factor 5 will always live in my head as amazing studios until one of them literally spray farts into my cereal. Until then...Watch your tone. Thin Ice mister....ya hear me?! THIN ICE I SAY!!!
Riky
$MSFT
Banjo Threeie needs to happen!True facts, but no one can retroactively change that. What matters is that they didn’t abandon the project, and instead fixed it and made it an extremely entertaining game. I’m glad it’s had the legs it’s had on Steam etc.
Regarding Everwild, the game was clearly shown off way to early. It’s now leading to increased scrutiny. Is 2/3 years pre-production a long time? I genuinely don’t know. If it’s been in full development for 2 years though we should be looking at maybe a 2023 release date?
I like Rare having the freedom to do what they want, they make unique games. They’ve also reportedly got 3 projects on the spin, one being lead by Gregg Mayles (who’s been ‘never say nevering’ BK on Twitter)...
I wonder what reason that could be?
ZywyPL
Banned
Still, they managed to turn it around into a successful game played by millions, which ultimately matters, and were hence given a green light to yet again make something completely new from scratch. Sure, the studio is long past their prime time, but looks like they are slowly but surely being given bigger and bigger projects again. Now take Evolution studio as an opposite example, who also released DC in a barebones state, then put some really nice work into it, but at the end of the day the game never really took off, and as a result the studio ceased to exist. This happens all the time in modern gaming, games are either delayed over and over again until they're done (Sony's approach), or are being released in "just enough" state and worked on later on (EA/Ubi), but the problem/huge risk with the latter approach is that the game might not caught the second wind.
I think the whole issue comes from MS, because on one hand they want to give the studios enough time and freedom, but on the other they need to show/give something, anything, to the gamers, and as a result we're seeing all those rushed trailers, where the dev doesn't even know yet what kind of genre the game will be, or Halo that was suppose to be released at least a year too early...