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[kiphalfton]

A lot of people say that female game characters, that have been modeled from some real-life actress, are ugly like 3/4 times. Or that the devs messed with the facial structure of the game model.

What if however that's actually what the actress looks like without makeup?

Contouring (?) or intricate makeup seems to act as an optical illusion, and make the actress look like she might have a narrower nose, more pronounced cheers, etc. whereas a game isn't modelling that.

I'm probably wrong, but when motion capture or photogrammetry images are taken, I imagine it maps facial features as x,y, z points. So mapping points on the face wouldn't register those fake features made by makeup. The end result is a character with a wide/long chin, or round face, or just plain average looking.

 

[Fuz]

 

[LazyParrot]

Doesn't explain why this shit doesn't seem to happen when non-Western devs do it.

 

[Pidull]

Considering most photos are touched up and altered... I wouldn't be surprised if there's some degree of truth.

At the same time, there's no way devs aren't able to adjust the sculpturing behind the imported photogrammetry models.

 

[Tomeru]

Doesn't explain why this shit doesn't seem to happen when non-Western devs do it.

Are you trying to make op feel ashamed of his words and deeds?

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Dude, most.people on this forum don't know what a woman with no makeup looks like unless it's their mother or sister they grew up with...

 

[Revolutionary]

Doesn't explain why this shit doesn't seem to happen when non-Western devs do it.

Yep. Here's Jill from RE3make without makeup (and without chapstick, it seems):

It's just a Western thing

 

[Danjin44]

I personally never liked scan faces in games because they always something off about them.

I personally like custom faces that most Japanese developers use for their games.....They less realistic but I don't know they feel more natural to me.

 

[kiphalfton]

I would say the awful animation compounds the issue in ME Andromeda.

Control also has the same issue as ME Andromeda. Some characters look good, but the facial animations are horrendous.

 

[Monokrom]

Would be interesting to know what the fairer sex have to say. It feels like there are lots of men screaming their lungs out on this topic.

 

[kiphalfton]

I personally never liked scan faces in games because they always something off about them.

I personally like custom faces that most Japanese developers use for their games.....They less realistic but I don't know they feel more natural to me.

I would say part of the issue is asymmetry. Humans also don't have as sharp of features as anime-type characters.

 

[GHG]

Would be interesting to know what the fairer sex have to say. It feels like there are lots of men screaming their lungs out on this topic.

They probably don't give a shit either way but I guarantee if they see any man "discussing" this shit like it has been since the release of the trailer they are swiping left.

 

[Danjin44]

would say part of the issue is asymmetry. Humans also don't have as sharp of features as anime-type characters.

The problem is every game no matter the tech has imperfection and as you go more toward realism those imperfection become more obvious and show their ugly head.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I personally never liked scan faces in games because they always something off about them.

I personally like custom faces that most Japanese developers use for their games.....They less realistic but I don't know they feel more natural to me.

Final fantasy faces look more natural to you? LMAOOOOOOO. All those faces are plastic surgery faces.

Fantasy huh?

Real face >> after plastic surgery

 

[Bartski]

 

[Valt7786]

Nah, its definitely done on purpose. Aloy was even changed from concept art where she actually looked feminine because one of the lead devs said "She'd cry if she broke a nail" because she looked like a girl. So they man'd her up.
It's purely western devs pandering to the blue hair twitter ragers and making sure they don't get articles written about them on shite like kotaku or polygon.

 

[Danjin44]

Final fantasy faces look more natural to you? LMAOOOOOOO. All those faces are plastic surgery faces.

Fantasy huh?

In video games they are in my opinion, like I said above, video games by nature have lots of imperfection and as faces goes more realistic those imperfection becomes more obvious.

 

[Captain Toad]

Doesn't explain why this shit doesn't seem to happen when non-Western devs do it.

Because this is how people look in real life:

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Since devs will model characters after real life people, I don't see why it's so hard just to take the real recording or rotoscoped face and just add textures to it like blood, dirt, tattoos etc... Maybe the actor or actress won't allow pure representation on screen with a giant pay bump? Dont know.

Instead, they take the model and totally adjust it. What's the point? It's not like the model used is uber ugly or anything. They are typically decent looking or just normal folks. Just go with that.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

In video games they are in my opinion, like I said above, video games by nature have lots of imperfection and as faces goes more realistic those imperfection becomes more obvious.

Its a hilarious opinion. Since final fantasy games have the worst facial expressions, voice matching, and all their characters looked caked up and completely unnatural.

They are extremely flirtatious and cutesy as if they were trying for you to donate to their twitch stream.

 

[LazyParrot]

Would be interesting to know what the fairer sex have to say. It feels like there are lots of men screaming their lungs out on this topic.

To be honest, the end result doesn't even bother me. I just think it's weird that devs are willing to pick out an actual person to base their character on and then go the whole scanning, cleanup and retopology process only to end up with a character whose face barely resembles that of the original model. Why even bother?

 

[MagiusNecros]

A better question is how do characters look without plastic.

The dragon quest girl on the left is the better of the two.

Can't hold a candle to Jade tho.

But I feel that in video games that's a genre where you can be what you wish you could be. Whether it's a busty babe or bara man. More pls.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That character model is so bad I don't think it was even based on a real person.

To me it looks like some artists with Xbox 360/PS3 era skill sets made up a terrible looking character from scratch.

It's that bad.

 

[Danjin44]

Its a hilarious opinion. Since final fantasy games have the worst facial expressions, voice matching, and all their characters looked caked up and completely unnatural.

They are extremely flirtatious and cutesy as if they were trying for you to donate to their twitch stream.

I prefer Final Fantasy faces over realistic one like you see in Control and Horizon.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

I honestly never care if video game characters are attractive. I ain't fucking them.

 

[Danjin44]

I honestly never care if video game characters are attractive. I ain't fucking them.

why should it be about "fucking" them exactly!? Just because you want to see good looking character in media doesn't mean you want to "fuck" them.

 

[Yoboman]

why should it be about "fucking" them exactly!? Just because you want to see good looking character in media doesn't mean you want to "fuck" them.

Kinda sounds like you want to

It’s ok bro, we all have kinks

 

[junguler]

even if it was the case that those actresses really looked that ugly (it's not, they are way prettier than their in-game models) we don't have to be faithful when portraying them in video games.

 

[Little Chicken]

Females in games and media are seldom "normal", their image is cultivated to look provocative and exceptional.

Same goes for males in games, but there's a far wider variety of males; being attractive isn't expected.

 

[Danjin44]

Kinda sounds like you want to

It’s ok bro, we all have kinks

So let me get this straight, to you guys the only reason people should want to see attractive characters in media is to “fuck” them, did I get that right?

 

[nush]

Doesn't explain why this shit doesn't seem to happen when non-Western devs do it.

In fact the in game models of the hostesses in the Yakuza games sometimes look better than the real life actress when she's shown. Much to my disappointment.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Unpopular opinion?

I think Aloy is an attractive character model in both Zero Dawn and Forbidden West.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

The gaming community isn't really covering itself in glory with these kinds of discussions. Just reinforcing stereotypes.

 

[JeremyEtcetera]

Borrowing this from the Aloy thread:

Also makeup:

Also instagram filters and facetune:

Don't let social media, magazine covers, and makeup warp your perception of reality.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Borrowing this from the Aloy thread:

200mm is nice.

 

[Kilau]

200mm is nice.

 

[Guilty_AI]

just give me anime waifus

 

[01011001]

I personally never liked scan faces in games because they always something off about them.

I personally like custom faces that most Japanese developers use for their games.....They less realistic but I don't know they feel more natural to me.

less realistic = no uncanny valley effect

that's why they seem more natural and less weird

 

[Zeroing]

If you knew what we can do with photoshop and filters you would realize that what we see as “beauty” is actually a lie 99% of the time!
I blame social media, fashion, and the market of beauty and plastic surgery.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Surprised no one brought up Quiet from MGS 5 so far.

 

[Danjin44]

less realistic = no uncanny valley effect

that's why they seem more natural and less weird

Exactly my point, games can't escape imperfection and going towards realism makes those imperfection more obvious.

 

[THEAP99]

Yep. Here's Jill from RE3make without makeup (and without chapstick, it seems):

It's just a Western thing

They look nothing alike and in game Jill looks like a toad.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I prefer Final Fantasy faces over realistic one like you see in Control and Horizon.

You can prefer fake faces. The issue is that you called them more natural. Everyone has their kinks. Flower eyes and all.

 

[JeremyEtcetera]

Surprised no one brought up Quiet from MGS 5 so far.

Here's Joosten:

Her scan:

Quiet:

 

[Corgi1985]

Games should have uglier people in them. You going through a war or demon invasion or some shit you shouldn't be looking like a GQ model the whole time.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I honestly never care if video game characters are attractive. I ain't fucking them.

yet

 

[JeremyEtcetera]

Games should have uglier people in them. You going through a war or demon invasion or some shit you shouldn't be looking like a GQ model the whole time.

Also to add onto this, the games industry has been trying to show people over the past two decades that they can make realistic blemishes, wrinkles, freckles, spots, etc and now you're all ironically asking them to make smoother faces.

 

[ShinraMiddleMananger]

The fattest of tits for me. Thanks!

 

[Danjin44]

You can prefer fake faces. The issue is that you called them more natural. Everyone has their kinks. Flower eyes and all.

It’s exactly why they are feel more natural in video games, to me realistic faces in video games always felt really weird and never looked right....it has nothing to do with “kinks”.

 

[Horatius]

i thought they did a remarkable job of capturing the likeness of aloy's new model