Swift_Star
Banned
You wrote all that but the facts are: you still have to buy a Xbox or a pc to play new Bethesda games.
Don’t try to distort reality.
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FF7 Remake Removed From PS Store "Console Exclusives" Section.
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Don’t try to distort reality.
TheGodfather07
Member
i cant believe the stupidity of people trying to compare sonys aquisitions to microsofts. let me make it simple and easy to understand.
what ip did xbox lose when sony acquired insomniac, bluepoint and housemarque?
what ip did sony lose when microsoft decided to acquire activision and bethesda?
the answers to those questions will tell you the actual facts.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's literally the definition of mental gymnastics for the favorite toys. Cult-like behavior.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Sony tried to use its position as market leader to moneyhat everything. That's why Xbox had to react. Simple as.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I thought it was a reaction to Google/Amazon and the like to bolster subscription services (according to MS themselves)? Can't seem to keep up with all the narratives, especially the fan ones.
TheGodfather07
Member
do you any actual evidence of this? also can you explain "console launch exclusive" that we saw multiple times at the xbox show? aint these moneyhats? also, why do microsoft care about sony? i thought they werent the competition? the more you try to twist it, the more foolish you look.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's both. It's good for the sub service, and it's good for making sure Sony doesn't moneyhat everything. The problem with moneyhatting is, if you're not the market leader, things quickly become exponentially more expensive, so it's usually not worth it. Better to outright buy publishers if you can.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It's a different generation now, especially with Gamepass. Moneyhatting makes more sense now. Xbox isn't that far behind PS anymore, and Gamepass makes moneyhatting make more sense.
Because as I said, Sony tried to use its market position to moneyhat everything.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I mean, it started off as hopes and dreams for an Xbox announcement this past week... now it's evolved to copium and moneyhat wars.
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kyoji
Member
TheGodfather07
Member
you keep saying that but wheres your proof? you think sony are rich enough to moneyhat everything? you know how much it would cost? look how much sony dominated last gen, yet there wasnt that many timed exclusives. making these kind of deals aint as easy as you think, even for the market leader. how many big 3rd party ip did sony moneyhat last gen when they were stomping xbox? there was only a few.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
With Persona, we got the superior games anyway
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
With Persona, we got the superior games anyway
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Them moneyhatting everything from Zenimax, for example.
You don't need many timed exclusives if you dominate anyway. They started ramping up the moneyhats at the end of the old gen so that they can keep dominating the new gen.
TheGodfather07
Member
sure. sony are leading this gen because of deathloop and ghostwire. what would they have done without them? your all over the place mate. get your shit together.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
So, why did Sony try to moneyhat everything from Zenimax then?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I don't believe this for one second.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Weird. They moneyhatted two games. They were reportedly in talks to moneyhat Starfield, but nothing happened because Microsoft bought Zenimax.
TheGodfather07
Member
mate, do you understand the concept of proof for your claims? do you have any concrete proof of this? rumours dont count. we know jack shit about these things that go on behind the scenes. why do you keep parroting it like a sheep?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Two isn't everything Zenimax has. I rest my case.
Chukhopops
Member
Did Tango and Arkane even make one exclusive game before Deathloop / Ghostwire?
Why isn’t either on Xbox now if there’s no timed exclusivity agreement? Now that MS owns Bethesda.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Two games. Not EVERY game.
What has Bethesda to do with it? They got bought, it is what it is now. I never wanted MS to buy Bethesda.Why not? Most of the fans are on PS and it brings more value to Sony. It makes perfectly sense.
If people want to play FF they can always build a pc or buy a ps5.
Isn’t it the same with new Bethesda games?
Accepting the situation as is is a very different thing from wishing games to be kept away from specific platforms. Thst is just dumb fanboyism.
Sony has enough game value as is, they don't need permanent FF exclusivity for that.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yeah, let's just act like it's impossible that Sony also went for Starfield because, uh, reasons.
yazenov
Member
With Persona, we got the superior games anyway
All you got was years old scraps like Nier Automata and Dragon quest 11 which were on Playstaion years ago.
TheGodfather07
Member
Yeah, let's just act like it's impossible that Sony also went for Starfield because, uh, reasons.
if its so obvious, why is it so hard to show proof? ive asked like 5 times already and you dodge it everytime. whats wrong with you?
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tmlDan
Member
I'm outright embarrassed by this take, you're moving goalposts.
MS had a stronger history of moneyhatting especially in its inception, the fact that you even think Sony as the market leader has more power than a trillion dollar company makes you illogical and delusional
Captain Toad
Banned
Yes?
Hezekiah
Banned
The lengths people will go to try to defend this aggressive market consolidation...is truly pathetic.
I wonder what statements would have been made if Tencent had started a cloud platform and started buying up all these publishers because they needed games.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I played both of those on Gamepass and had a lot of fun. I never bought them on PS4
Swift_Star
Banned
well, it has everything to do with it. If MS can moneyhat into perpetuity, I can’t see why Sony shouldn’t do the same with FF. It’s FairPlay.
Swift_Star
Banned
Don’t complain when Sony does it, son, because it’s clear they’re going to do it even more going forward.
That’s my instance here. If it’s ok for MS to outright buy publishers limiting access to their games, Sony should go and do the same. I really don’t care anymore.
Swift_Star
Banned
What superior games? Sony’s got everything including FF.With Persona, we got the superior games anyway
You forget so quickly. The styling and profiling in this thread. I said it then timed exclusives are a waste spend the money on studios. Sony clearly has tried to money hat everything in site to content starve the competition.
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft Kinda Funny’s Imran Khan said: There isn’t a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had...
kyoji
Member
Do you know what a rumor is man? Im pretty sure that is a rumor. By the way rumor has it, Apple is buying nintendo and sega. You see how this works?You forget so quickly. The styling and profiling in this thread. I said it then timed exclusives are a waste spend the money on studios. Sony clearly has tried to money hat everything in site to content starve the competition.
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft
Report: Sony Contacted All Major Third Parties for Exclusivity Deals, Offered More Money Than Microsoft Kinda Funny’s Imran Khan said: There isn’t a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had...www.neogaf.com
This why so many have egg on they face when it turned out spiderman ip wasnt even money hatted for exclusive use. People just assumed because thats the narrative they want to create to make sony seem like everything they do is “anti” this or “anti” that, but theres no issues for any other major playform holder, everything is fair game or there are loop holes “because of this” or “because of that”.
Another thing id like to point out is according to some arm chair analysts on gaf (
) sony is poor and cant afford anything, especially compared to MS deep pockets, yet sony are able to make some blockbuster partnerships happen and this is what infuriate the fanboys because they just cant comprehend it. It just goes to show that money isnt everything and alot more goes into these deals and partnerships at the end of the day.
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TheGodfather07
Member
they are? which studios do they own? not that it makes a difference because bungie will remain multiplatform, including xbox.
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kyoji
Member
Bro. You do realize that a very large portion of MS games this gen have been money hats that u depise so much right? Lol do u need me to list some? Please think carefully now!
TheGodfather07
Member
just stop replying. you'll only go around in circles with him.
Captain Toad
Banned
You don’t have to own studios to be a publisher. They are (were) the publisher of Destiny since 2019.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
We were told many times in the PS port-begging threads that there is no overlap between PC and console crowd so it's safe for Sony to release all their games Day 1.
Now the narrative completely changed because FF7R was an old port "they already played it on consoles"
So these PC gamers have consoles but they don't play First-party Sony games. They wait to play them on PC but they play everything else on console 
We were also told that PC gamers avoid Epic and always wait for a Steam release. Big numbers are coming on Steam.
Now the Steam release is out and the numbers are trash "But it was on Epic before"
Makes no sense as usual.It was the peak at the time I did my post. Duh. It went up a little later. I wasn't trying to be misleading. It's still low anyway.Don't think this'll be big on steam either (not Monster Hunter levels of big anyway), especially with how it had already released on EGS before.
But you should actually show people the graph instead of a misleading pic:
Player base is still in launch growth period. We can't say what the peak will be yet.
Swift_Star
Banned
The only moneyhats he hates are those that keep MS out of the loop. Guy is as hypocritical as it gets.
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well, it has everything to do with it. If MS can moneyhat into perpetuity, I can’t see why Sony shouldn’t do the same with FF. It’s FairPlay.
I don't like moneyhatting exclusives. Period. So I have no idea why you bring this up with me like some gotcha moment.
Take it up with someone who thinks permanently exclusive bethesda games is a great thing.
rofif
Banned
yeah 10k now.We were told many times in the PS port-begging threads that there is no overlap between PC and console crowd so it's safe for Sony to release all their games Day 1.
Now the narrative completely changed because FF7R was an old port "they already played it on consoles"
We were also told that PC gamers avoid Epic and always wait for a Steam release. Big numbers are coming on Steam.
Now the Steam release is out and the numbers are trash "But it was on Epic before"
It was the peak at the time I did my post. Duh. It went up a little later. I wasn't trying to be misleading. It's still low anyway.
This is a lot.
ff 7 remake is such a game that you don't play on a whim. You plan your free time to play it, it if 10k people jumped already, it's not bad
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Bethesda went to Sony because they knew Deathloop and Ghostwire had flop written all over it and they were in financial trouble. Sony helped them financially with the development and marketing in exchange of 1 year console exclusivity. It was still on PC Day 1 so that should be enough according Xbox fans. MS Acquisitions = Good because it's on PC Day 1. Well, Deathloop and Ghostwire were on PC Day 1 so it works both sidesYeah, let's just act like it's impossible that Sony also went for Starfield because, uh, reasons.
You should be grateful that Sony gave that bag because Deathloop and Ghostwire were both massive flops on PC. Like all Arkane and Tango games. At least they made some money on the PS side.
crunchyBiscuits
Member
Are some of you aware that the other games Sony money-hatted have been released on other platforms after their money-hat-window expired? Hell, soon Gamepass subscribers will get a chance to play Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo as well.
The truth of the matter is that MS pulled the ultimate money-hat and ensured that future games from BethSoft would appear on non-gamepass platforms only on a "case by case" basis.
The truth of the matter is that MS pulled the ultimate money-hat and ensured that future games from BethSoft would appear on non-gamepass platforms only on a "case by case" basis.
SSfox
Member
Yeah, FF15 was release on all plateforms at the same time and the sales ratio on Xbox One were very weak, so the FF7R just make sens. If we start talking about what is fair and what's not, the Bethesda games sales were around 50/50 on both Xbox and PS and Xbox and Bethesda still didn't hesitate to lock their games out of PS, heck let's not even talk about Rise of TR Xbox exclusivity deal while first game sold more on Playstation, that deal that almost killed the Tomb Raider franchise, it was when Rise came to PS4 that the sales reach very high numbers, of course Crystal regretted that after, so... yeah.We were told many times in the PS port-begging threads that there is no overlap between PC and console crowd so it's safe for Sony to release all their games Day 1.
Now the narrative completely changed because FF7R was an old port "they already played it on consoles"
We were also told that PC gamers avoid Epic and always wait for a Steam release. Big numbers are coming on Steam.
Now the Steam release is out and the numbers are trash "But it was on Epic before"
It was the peak at the time I did my post. Duh. It went up a little later. I wasn't trying to be misleading. It's still low anyway.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
So happy that Xbox has ensured future BethSoft games (my favorite publisher besides XGS) will never again be locked away from Xbox gamers.