I was thinking of going this year but I decided to hold out and wait for next year. I'll probably be moving on from my current job by that time and SFV will be out. It'll be the perfect time I think.
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Fighting Games Weekly | Apr 13-19 | This Netkode Is An Injustice
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I was thinking of going this year but I decided to hold out and wait for next year. I'll probably be moving on from my current job by that time and SFV will be out. It'll be the perfect time I think.
CountBlack
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pls stop harassing me
Emperor Bohe
Member
Bruh lemme get in on this
If it's online... can't commit to in person atm due to crazy work schedule lol
CountBlack
Member
Bohe you're going to Evo?
Yo Toronto b o y z
Also, I can finally start streaming through the PS4 when ultra comes out
Road to #1 Elena starts then tbh
Emperor Bohe
Member
I failed at reading lmao, nah thought it was an online thing. My passport expired lmao
CountBlack
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F O H
Emperor Bohe
Member
『Inaba Resident』;160562419 said:
It's because the data isn't generated automatically by the game, but is instead entered by hand by the devs. So as builds change and frames change, things need to be updated which seemingly doesn't happen.
Injustice was the same way.
So in a sense it's good that this is being removed right? Since it's pretty much a bug/glitch thus cheating.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Plinking isn't going anywhere. Plinking with the select button is going away... probably.
In any case, plinking is a happy accident that has been kept in the game since vanilla. It's not a glitch, it's a hidden feature.
It's not really cheating since having access to it still means you have to pull off those tight links. A 1 frame link window becoming 2 frames still means you have to time your button presses.
And I don't think anyone considers plinking a bug at this point. If the dev team had, it'd have been removed... there's been plenty of time to do that.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Yup. Plus, without plinking some characters would really suffer - Rufus is the best example as if he can't get his 1-frame (but plinkable) BnB he's a very poor character.
It's not cheating, it's similar to using in-game mechanics to do option selects.
The real grey area from plinking comes from the fact that you have to rewire your stick to move the Select button closer to the light buttons. The modding of stick is where some people take issues not with the mechanic itself.
There are many more fighters with a lot of mechanics that are as bad or worse than this. Remember that combos used to be a bug/glitch too... it wasn't considered cheating to do combos in SF2 just because it was a glitch in the system or it wasn't intended by the developers.
Anything in a game goes unless it's banned specifically by a tournament.
Technically, this isn't correct, though, is it?
I mean, according to interviews I've read, the Capcom team in charge of Street Fighter 2 were well aware of combos during development.
They even played around with the idea of juggles and other zaniness, that would make it into other games such as A3, 3S, and Dark Stalkers.
90% probability I'll be at Toryuken! VF should have a strong showing there.
Yup. It was more of an accident that happened out of making the inputs more lenient that they intentionally left in.
Shouta
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Two ways you can think of it. Pad players don't have the ability to readily modify their equipment to do that without a lot of extra hurdles.
The other, more legitimate reason is that equipment should be standard for everyone with customization only being allowed in the situation that the player is physically unable to use standard control methods, i.e. for their comfort. Most competitions, specifically pro sports, require equipment to be standardized aside for tailoring it to the player. It makes the playing field even for everyone. In essence, a modified stick is like a corked bat.
Plinking itself is a system mechanics and accepted by Capcom devs so there's really nothing wrong with using that itself. Select plinking is kinda blegh to me from the above standpoint though.
The other, more legitimate reason is that equipment should be standard for everyone with customization only being allowed in the situation that the player is physically unable to use standard control methods, i.e. for their comfort. Most competitions, specifically pro sports, require equipment to be standardized aside for tailoring it to the player. It makes the playing field even for everyone. In essence, a modified stick is like a corked bat.
Plinking itself is a system mechanics and accepted by Capcom devs so there's really nothing wrong with using that itself. Select plinking is kinda blegh to me from the above standpoint though.
direct_quote
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Or a deflated football..
I agree. But I know other people feel differently. see full schedule discussions.
JB-the-Hunter
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Cinder was always lame to me in the original KI games, but I'm actually hyped to see the new version. 5 minutes:
http://www.twitch.tv/irongalaxy
http://www.twitch.tv/irongalaxy
Just turn your 3p and 3k offI like having an extra button just to fuck with heavy listeners.
Would that be okay?
this comment is smash as hell.
Shouta
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Yeah, I actually was OK with his stick on the basis that it was deemed viable but the more I think about it, the more that a standard needs to be set so that every competitor is on the same playing field. It's cool what Full Schedule or Tokido can do but at the same time, I think it's advantage that not everyone can use at all. I definitely think standardized equipment is needed for legitimacy in the long run.
I like having an extra button just to fuck with heavy listeners.
Would that be okay?
Technically yes. You have 8 face buttons, just don't assign commands to them and you're good, lol
gift me ultra for the 360 pls.
I do, lol. And I plug one or t'other. Or whichever button is the the bottom left-most [one].
I like having the option of my old-school GG layout, as well.
Master Milk
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Does it really? It seems like the opposite to me. Forcing people to use one method just because it's convenient, versus letting people use whatever is actually most comfortable for them. If it isn't breaking the rules the game itself has set or the laws of physics, like mapping a combo to a single button press or turbo inputs, then I don't see the problem.
I don't follow baseball, what's special about corked bats?
WesternHeretic
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Just have EVO on cabs there problem solved.
It's illegal.
I don't care about you pad players!
It's illegal.
MisterLuffy
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That cutoff at the end of ATP live was perfect. Tom Brady's bitch calling was good. Also, he's really has that MK knowledge. I don't understand why anyone hates him.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
A bat with cork on the inside is lighter than a normal bat. Using one is against the rules.
Corked bats are to baseball as Chun Li's c.MK is to 3S.
Except Chun Li's cr.MK isn't tournament illegal.
WesternHeretic
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Baseball is totally whack though they have all these hidden/unwritten rules, and loopholes.
I thought standard controls were necessary because I assume games aren't balanced around the random customisations that players think of, or even the tricks available when you allow all the in-game macros, including duplication of inputs. You really can't make everyone happy with this though, its a bit like steroids. Maybe there should be clean and dirty input tournaments (dirty input tournaments also allowing competitors to use adderall).
I was referring to the fishing power.
Besides - baseball is kind of a legit game.
So the analogy was already strained, at best.
Shouta
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That's where the second argument comes into play. The even playing field by standardizing equipment.
Corked bats make them ligher, they supposedly let the batter swing it faster for easier timing on pitches. It's against the rules because modifying equipment for an unfair advantage is illegal mostly because it can lead to more crazy shit if you allow some stuff. Sliippery slope argument and all that.
That's one way to think about it as well. Not everyone will be happy but being fair to everyone usually ends up taking precedence, heh.
If there's backward stick compatibility I don't see why s-plinking won't be in. They should just allow us to rebind every key (including Start/Select) in-game like the PC version.
Gonna be extremely dumb if the game releases and there's no way to plink jabs after all this time.
Gonna be extremely dumb if the game releases and there's no way to plink jabs after all this time.
Was this their expression when they said that?
Either way, going forward in Ultra Bonchan needs to pick up a new char if he wants a better shot at winning stacked majors. He has pushed the character Sagat to its absolutely limits. His ability to fight bad matchups and just block and do nothing but throw tigers shots is amazing, but competition is too fierce now. What the hell can he improve on? *cough*don't lose to zonks*cough*
Daigo made the smart decision to pick a top tier character to increase his success, and it just happened to be a shoto (surprise, surprise) so the learning curve was easier. The transition was definitely rough, but look at him now. Trolling with hop kicks, obvious demon setups and just general bullying in the corner. Ryu is irrelevant.
the argument of having standardised controller is already flawed when we have pad/hitbox/keyboard players to deal with.
It's not at all hard to create a standard list of joysticks, pads and keyboards that adhere to the game rules of in-game button assignment.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Has anyone ever made a stick with like 4 jab buttons to make pianoing easier?
God's Beard!";160533082]Good stuff. I knew something was fishy with that sob story from before said:
Thanks guys for the feedback! I'm glad you liked it even tho it's about an issue we had recently.
Regarding the TOs, I think there were plenty of good intentions tainted by a lack of understanding of what they were doing, why and how. I think they saw how we brought some other distinguished visitors here(successfully) and said "hey, we love tekken, let's do the same for our scene" while thinking with their hearts and not doing some real numbers before, or not really knowing anything about JDCR's expectations(and handling them very poorly). There are many reasons why bringing a top player here is better for the scene as a whole rather than sending one to a tourney(like EVO) but we have to do it the right way. What happened with JDCR was possibly the worst case scenario(well, not really the worst, but you know what I mean). Finally, our Tekken community is one of the most unorganized ones and even tho we have some very good players we don't have well known TOs and it's mostly tons of people playing in vicios and challenging each other via facebook.
What do you do when somebody rewires one of those to allow something you can't see? You can't just look at a stick and know if it's wired to have select in a different spot unless you open it up every time somebody is going to use it.
Again, there have been a lot of mods and such over the years to allow for easier input stuff that you just can't see or tell without using the thing yourself. Listening to old man stories about people having hidden turbos a long time ago tells me that used to be a thing people did.
Rice-Eater
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RIP Bonchan
RIP Evil Ryu's character specific combo that only works on Rufus.
To be honest I wouldn't have minded that 1f buffer at all if it was supposed to be a "new feature" in USF4. Maybe they felt it was too drastic of a change, who knows. Just that 1f alone would have made life much easier for intermediate players, and top players would almost never drop a link. I would like to see this added to SFV so it's not as execution heavy as the SF4 series. Makes it easier for people who are starting up since that is one of the things that Capcom is aiming for.
Shouta
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Like Nyoro said. You could easily standardize it by making a list of guidelines for each. Sticks, pads, and keyboards have standard construction nowadays anyway. Only Hitboxes are kind of different.