Haha, my thoughts exactly.
Pretty much. Just like larger society, the FGC couldn't hold back the tide of tolerance ushered in by a newer generation of players.
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Fighting Games Weekly | Jan 19-25 | As Seen On WSHH
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Haha, my thoughts exactly.
Pretty much. Just like larger society, the FGC couldn't hold back the tide of tolerance ushered in by a newer generation of players.
Frosty Fausting's streams are up. Looks like its just casuals/set up for now
www.multitwitch.tv/nobodyexe/bgcallisto
www.multitwitch.tv/nobodyexe/bgcallisto
Parallax Scroll
Banned
They put the game up against three old Capcom games, which managed to split the vote between that community and for some reason they didn't put GGAC in the poll. Thank God America doesn't believe in instant runoff polling. :V It was also a weird time with fighting games -- SSF4 was out and that was it. You look at the list in a vacuum and it looks really bizarre, but in the context of when the game came out... there really weren't a ton of obvious picks.
It was also the second biggest game at NEC that year and it had a significant presence at other majors that year like Final Round, kind of like what happened with... well... yeah. :<
SloaneRisette
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It probably took a long time to find the right gif
RockTurtle
Member
he has a sub goal.
pretty bold. last 3 times he streamed he would stream for one night, promise more frequent streams to his subs, and then take a 1 year hiatus (like tonight!)
GorillaWithDandruff
Member
Daaaaaamn muhafukas be shady son.
You don't think he's capable of going 0-6 during GFs of P4AU?
theprodigy
Member
Mario Galaxy stage? fucking casuals /s
fake edit: who the hell actually plays on New Pork City though
toddhunter
Member
Just like larger society, the FGC couldn't hold back the tide of easy money to be made.
Smash became a fighting game after a long period of "how do we grow the fgc", the cooling off of the current capcom and tekken offerrings and a need to replace them with something. It also coincided with the explosion in streaming numbers of Nintendo focused events such as speed run marathons.
That is to not recognise the community that stuck with it, just to point out it isn't a 09er thing at all. There is a long history there and it is only very recently that things have changed.
Just like larger society, the FGC couldn't hold back the mountainous tide of salt baptizing this comment.
hitsugi
Member
From that stream:
"I just lost.. but he didn't beat me, though."
...wonder if this mentality helps maintain your sanity when playing online.
You have to beat me in a FT100 before I consider you better than me.
And even then, you were only better than me on that particular day.
GorillaWithDandruff
Member
That's my kinda fucking spirit.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
Now calm down Skeeter he ain't hurtin' anyone.
Smash 4 weekly streamed by Tourney Locator. They usually have some quality players and nice character variety
Lostconfused
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Lag, lag spikes, dropped packets, whatever. There are plenty of ways for things to go wrong beyond your or anyones control in online play.
sixteen-bit
Member
Walk-off? Banned.
hitsugi
Member
Oh, I know.. that doesn't change the fact that it's irritating (for me) to drop links all over the place or have to modify your playstyle to accommodate a poor connection
Some of it is without a doubt an "09er" thing. You had people coming into a scene that was still very rooted in a 90's arcade culture that was indifferent to standoffish to newcomers until their worth was proven. This manifested itself in forums most profoundly, where newer players were looking for help (i.e. SRK). It was easy for newer players to sympathize with the notion of Smash players being discriminated against unfairly. The Capcom FGC has always had a reputation of being intolerant to ALL outside communities - Anime, 3D, Smash - the whole nine. It wasn't until the 09' expansion that they started actually getting real heat for it.
Of course, there were just as many 09'ers looking to sympathize with bigotry in an effort to conform. Obviously, what you're saying is also true. This shit is not binary with a lot of social factors involved It's a complex just like all social changes.
DryEyeRelief
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There was always a lack of acceptance but it didn't matter. Smash was alive during the fighting game dead era, a time where the only capcom fighting releases were ports of old games and Evo had Mario Kart DS in its lineup. That's why you have these stories of fighting game players like Ultradavid, Chris G, Justin Wong, etc playing Smash because there wasn't much else to play.
IV gave people a reason not to settle for smash. And the new people that came with the fighting game boom aren't more open minded. Capcom fighting games are more popular than ever, so there's less of a reason to tolerate anything else. The hatred for smash isn't different from the past, but it's much more amplified with newer people jumping on the bandwagon. It's also harder to take seriously because melee is so old at this point. Smash predates the whole "I want to play this game because I like watching it on the internet" mentality that came with streaming.
Kimosabae said:
I don't think this newer generation is more tolerant. I would say they have strict views because they're new.
What's causing the integration is that....the smash community is huge. No one can really talk down to the numbers.
KidA Seven
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Reminds me of ksk bashing people who said shit like that
Skip to 1:40 and turn subtitles on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsgFwNEG4_I
sixteen-bit
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A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Take that Pokken
So that'd be weird if this came out along with Injustice also existing
toddhunter
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I may have misunderstood where you were coming from.
Either way I think we can both agree that it is working out extremely well. Lets just hope Nintendo see it as an opportunity and continue to grow their range.
ShinMaruku
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Yeah but nobody will admit they got bodied though. And those excuses just become fodder.
So you're denying the notion that the game is more accepted now as a fighting game than it was 6-10 years ago? It's only accepted as a FGC game? If so, I just think you're flat out wrong. 6-10 years ago, people like Sp00ky, Dieminion, Art, Yipes etc. would have never publicly defended Melee's/Smash's merits as a fighting game.
Yeah, some people will remain entrenched in the notion that it's "just a party game" but society makes progress one funeral at a time.
hitsugi
Member
ah this was great! "I heard you're badass in other games... Well, except SF3"
Aris was being haunted by Richard's ghost in the form of $1 donations.
fuckin' AWESOME
Slamtastic
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As I said with Pokken, not my type of game, so I'm glad how things turned out, although as far as casual appeal for a licensed title, arena fighters probably have greater potential than real ones.
ShinMaruku
Member
27 games today and only 7 wins today.
Fuck long sets. After 15 losses I just get pissed.
Fuck long sets. After 15 losses I just get pissed.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
Arena fighters have so much potential in general. Far more than in the traditional fighting game space. Problem is, there has yet to be a game to really nail the formula and be successful both casually and competitively.
I'm skeptical of arena fighters as a spectator thing though- traditional fighters do well at this as viewers can see exactly what players see. MOBAs or RTS is ok, but you need to pan around to see action in different areas of the map (though you still essentially see what the players see). The minute you go 3D, you lose the ability to do that.
KidA Seven
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ShinMaruku
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That is why we should never put stock something by it's potential and by what can be done.
I agree that can be done, but I don't think any developer can tackles this outside of Nintendo and they don't seem to care about that little segment.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
I trust sakurai's judgement that smash bros isn't a fighting game
Played some more Smash 4 with some good competitive players, well one of them was really good... Really hoping for him to make it top 8 since he got 3rd at Spooky's tournament. Might pick up the game seriously, Mario, Falcon and Sheik are pretty fun.
Source pls?
I really hope they still down sign ins after 2 cause that's when I finish work.
I'll have them hot and ready by Sunday.
Pic sums of the post, not the way Beast Note intended tho
Source pls?
Seems like there is a Curleh tomorrow. Team Spooky is streaming that
Player Invite List and more info: http://shoryuken.com/2015/01/23/surprise-curleh-mustache-returns-to-the-east-coast-tomorrow/
I really hope they still down sign ins after 2 cause that's when I finish work.
I'll have them hot and ready by Sunday.
I think anyone outside of just the pokemon company, the pokemon company seems to really want this to be as competitive as much as casual. I think if this game was just regular nintendo, they might not share this motivation .
ShinMaruku
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Anybody in here don't care what Sakurai says as long as the game is good and solid and has people playing it in a tourney configuration? Because Blizzard wanted wow to be an e-sport and this shit failed. They put some things in and a focus on it and it did not take, Sakurai makes something compelling and people play it, who care what he's trolling about?
MisterLuffy
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I'll acknowledge Smash as a party and fighting game. It's just not a traditional fighter.
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